Saw IV (Movie discussion thread.)
10-27-07, 05:44 PM
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This is going to make lots of money like it's 3 predecessors. The Saw movies have always been extremely low budget.
10-27-07, 09:22 PM
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I think they left all the questions about "that character" so they could have Tobin Bell in Saw V flashbacks to explain why he chose him, and I have a guess at what Amanda's note said, probally something about Jigsaw choosing "that character" over her as the new Jigsaw
10-27-07, 09:32 PM
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You know the glass box full of broken glass that we see Jigsaw covering up? We never see that trap in the movie, but there is a publicity still floating around online of a guy in his underwear in that trap, screaming. Maybe it was cut. It looks a little like Zep from part 1.
10-27-07, 11:10 PM
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Caught an afternoon show of this and enjoyed it. Probably not as much as the previous 3, because of some of the reasons already mentioned here. For the record, I loved the 1st, and the last 2 were fun to watch as well and i'm a pretty big Saw fan.
I still love the way that the writers work with the plot and entwine the whole series and it's characters together. Sure some of it can seem tacked on and piece meal, but for the most part I thought it was clever. Unfortunately this means that new characters are brought in, and as mentioned by others already, can be difficult to like.
I loved the Eric Matthews and Gordon character, as well as Amanda and Jigsaw. Didn't care at all for the guys in 3 and 4 though.
Besides that though, I still enjoyed it. The traps were fun, but out of everything, the first scene gave me more chills then anything else. I figured the writers must have seen the audience reaction to the brain surgery in #3 and decided to up the ante.
Oh well, bring on #5 next year to see the story continue!
I still love the way that the writers work with the plot and entwine the whole series and it's characters together. Sure some of it can seem tacked on and piece meal, but for the most part I thought it was clever. Unfortunately this means that new characters are brought in, and as mentioned by others already, can be difficult to like.
I loved the Eric Matthews and Gordon character, as well as Amanda and Jigsaw. Didn't care at all for the guys in 3 and 4 though.
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Besides that though, I still enjoyed it. The traps were fun, but out of everything, the first scene gave me more chills then anything else. I figured the writers must have seen the audience reaction to the brain surgery in #3 and decided to up the ante.
Oh well, bring on #5 next year to see the story continue!
10-27-07, 11:18 PM
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Def a HUH ending rather than a WOW ending. Nowhere near as clever as the last films. the whole 15 minutes was just confusing for the same reasons you all have mentioned. Maybe Saw 5 will explain what this detective has to do with jigsaw.
10-28-07, 12:29 AM
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Was the film too dark for you all? I'm mean turn a little light on! I was squinting during some scenes.
All in all, probably the weakest entry, but still fun. It did feel like Saw 3.5 or atleast a prelude to a bigger film.
I really like how they add the background info to Jigsaw. Adds so much, but never makes him unscary ala Hannibal Rising or RZ Halloween.
Grade: C+
All in all, probably the weakest entry, but still fun. It did feel like Saw 3.5 or atleast a prelude to a bigger film.
I really like how they add the background info to Jigsaw. Adds so much, but never makes him unscary ala Hannibal Rising or RZ Halloween.
Grade: C+
10-28-07, 11:31 AM
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I wonder if Saw 5 throws some good explanations at us, will people feel better about this film? It is Saw 3.5, and it really depends on part 3 so much and probably part 5. They have planned out the series to 6 films, so I'm hoping they have some good ideas that they are waiting to spring on us.
I think the biggest problem is that the film is too dependent on other films. Horror film sequels have to stand on their own. Although, if their goal is to keep me coming back, they are successful.
I think the biggest problem is that the film is too dependent on other films. Horror film sequels have to stand on their own. Although, if their goal is to keep me coming back, they are successful.
10-28-07, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Drop
I think the biggest problem is that the film is too dependent on other films. Horror film sequels have to stand on their own. Although, if their goal is to keep me coming back, they are successful.
10-28-07, 12:09 PM
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I agree fumanstan, but 4 is too connected, the previous 3 could be enjoyed pretty well by themselves, 4 not so much. 4 does not have a satisfying conclusion.
10-28-07, 12:17 PM
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The one thing I do like about this series is how they have managed to maintain continuity from the previous films.
I noticed that Matthews was wearing a protective boot on the foot he beat to a pulp and smashed off in the previous film.
I noticed that Matthews was wearing a protective boot on the foot he beat to a pulp and smashed off in the previous film.
10-28-07, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bravesmg
I'm pretty shocked. The 8:00 show I was at on Friday was barely half full, judging by the lines to get in, Dan in Real Life was much longer thn Saw.
I guess people in your place has a different taste in movies
SAW ate the competition this week with an estimate $32mil... Dan In Real groseed only $12mil
10-28-07, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DJariya
I noticed that Matthews was wearing a protective boot on the foot he beat to a pulp and smashed off in the previous film.
10-28-07, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by xage
I guess people in your place has a different taste in movies
SAW ate the competition this week with an estimate $32mil... Dan In Real groseed only $12mil
SAW ate the competition this week with an estimate $32mil... Dan In Real groseed only $12mil
10-28-07, 06:48 PM
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Somthing interesting I caught on an IMDB thread is that the hooker that approaches Jigsaw while he is waiting in a car at the clinic in Saw 4 was the hooker from Saw 2. I haven't seen Saw 2 since it came out on video, so I didn't catch it. I'm sure others missed it too.
10-28-07, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Zodiac_Speaking
It did feel like Saw 3.5 or at least a prelude to a bigger film.
I just wish there was more of a 'gotcha' moment in this one though, because I knew early that the autopsy was the end of the film and figured we were once again running concurrently to one of the earlier films...and the final twist you see a mile away - you just don't know why. Overall I thought it was a fun horror flick, pretty gruesome and even if it doesn't quite add up, I'm sure once it fits into the whole Saw Puzzle with the films yet to come, it'll stand up.
I also didn't mind Scott Patterson...I thought he was fine, but I was a gilmore fan...and that opening autopsy had to be more graphic and disgusting than anything in any of the other Saw flicks...people were turning away and gaging! Not perfect, but worthwhile. 3/5 stars.
10-31-07, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerCannabis
Why, oh why couldn't they stop with Saw 3? Saw IV is a total turd. Part 3 had a satisfying conclusion and a great storyline and a definitive ending. You couldn't get more definitive than part 3. So why bother with Saw IV?
There are so many problems with this film.
Here's where I stand if you want a good idea of how I view the series.
Saw was good, but Elwes acting killed it. 8/10.
Saw 2 was also good, but it didn't ever feel great. 8/10
Saw 3 was awesome. A great script with a totally satisfying ending to the series. If they hadn't gotten greedy and just ended it here, this series could eventually become legendary. 9/10.
Saw 4 was bad. New Nightmare bad. 6/10.
There are so many problems with this film.
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Here's where I stand if you want a good idea of how I view the series.
Saw was good, but Elwes acting killed it. 8/10.
Saw 2 was also good, but it didn't ever feel great. 8/10
Saw 3 was awesome. A great script with a totally satisfying ending to the series. If they hadn't gotten greedy and just ended it here, this series could eventually become legendary. 9/10.
Saw 4 was bad. New Nightmare bad. 6/10.
2 kind of felt like a throw away film - the least memorable in my opinion.
3 was very impressive, my fave so far... you could tell though when the ending of three wasn't resolved in 4
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as for 4 - I couldn't believe how ludicrous the story evolved..
(re: Hoffman) "They don't even explain his motivation for aiding Jigsaw." - that was definately a head scratcher for me as well.
[side comment: I didn't realize the free tix with 'SAW III - DC' was not valid for AMC theatres until I got to the theatre - miss ticket lady though was very nice and just said I could go in... awesome!]
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