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Old 07-17-07, 11:52 AM
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I've heard so much good stuff about this film from friends, from critics, from professional animators, from people who write or prepare food for a living, that I will break my cardinal rule and not wait to see it on DVD. The last time it happened was The Queen (2006). I wonder, however, if there will ever be a return to solid, well-written live-action American comedies that do not necessarily involve cute furry rodents...

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Old 07-17-07, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TwilightZone
I saw this yesterday and loved it. The part where

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Ego took a bite of the ratatouille and remembered the simple joy he used to have as a child when his mother made the dish.


was simply beautiful.
That scene totally took my wife and I by surprise. Loved that whole sequence through the end monologue.
Old 07-18-07, 07:06 PM
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I loved this movie. www.boxofficereport.com is predicting it will make 12M July 20-22. Bringing it's total to 166M. With that said, does this movie stand a chance to make 200M? I'm really surprised it's going to make less that "Cars". And disgusted it's going to make 100M less that than piece of shit "Shrek the Third". It *will* win the Oscar for Best Animated film this year though.
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Unfortunately, as far as B.O. totals I'm guessing it's too adult to make a huge amount of money. Something tells me the kiddies aren't nagging mom and dad to bring them to Ratatouille for a 2nd, 3rd, etc. viewing.
Old 07-18-07, 09:42 PM
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I'll be ecstatic if it breaks 200m domestically. I think this film will have more international appeal than Cars, so the take from that should round it it's total gross to about mid-level Pixar standard.
Old 07-19-07, 09:11 AM
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Took the kids last night.

They were bored and so was I.

The movie was completely FLAT. IMHO it wasn't funny, or cute, or had a lesson to teach it was just there.

Animation was good as usual but boy did this movie leave me wanting a refund at the BO and I never say that about movies.

Sorry Pixar this one just didn't do it for me.

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Old 07-19-07, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GCS
Took the kids last night.

They were bored and so was I.

The movie was completely FLAT. IMHO it wasn't funny, or cute, or had a lesson to teach it was just there.

Animation was good as usual but boy did this movie leave me wanting a refund at the BO and I never say that about movies.

Sorry Pixar this one just didn't do it for me.

Greg
funny, CARS did the same to me as well ...
Old 07-19-07, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GCS
Took the kids last night.

They were bored and so was I.

The movie was completely FLAT. IMHO it wasn't funny, or cute, or had a lesson to teach it was just there.

Animation was good as usual but boy did this movie leave me wanting a refund at the BO and I never say that about movies.

Sorry Pixar this one just didn't do it for me.

Greg
Wow. I thought the movie was adorable.
Old 07-19-07, 11:55 AM
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My three-year-old got bored with all the restaurant politics, but he liked the stuff with the rats. I liked it all, excellent film.

A little strange that the human accents ranged from American to stereotypical over-the-top French. Also that everybody in Paris speaks English all the time (including snooty critics!)

I still can't get over Brad Garrett. Sounded nothing like him!

The anti-critic stuff probably originated with Jan Pinkava who came up with the original ideas before it was turned over to Brad Bird.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I still can't get over Brad Garrett. Sounded nothing like him!
I didn't realize it was him until after my third time seeing it. He really didn't sound like Brad Garret.

I also thought Ego was Ian McKellan at first.
Old 07-19-07, 08:29 PM
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Just saw it and it is the best movie of the year so far and one of my favorite Pixar films!
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Originally Posted by GCS
IMHO it wasn't funny, or cute, or had a lesson to teach it was just there.
Interesting. I thought the film practically knocked me over the head with its "lesson". I still enjoyed it however, and will gladly buy it when it comes to DVD.
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Originally Posted by GCS
boy did this movie leave me wanting a refund at the BO and I never say that about movies.
Wow, those are some really, really harsh words, man. It's fine you disliked it but I'm not sure Ratatouille deserves that! 96 percent of critics and, it seems, of the general public seem to diagree with you there. But I guess you're entitled to your own opinion. It's one of the best films I've seen in years, animated or no.
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It just goes to show that you can't please everyone and their (3 year-old) kids. Cars was made with Nascar Dads in mind and didn't do so well with a more sophisticated audience, despite the quality of the animation. Ratatouille was made by a genius who is perhaps America's greatest story-teller and it doesn't do too well with viewers who like their entertainment dumbed down and kicks in the crotch as the prime ingredient of comedy.

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( I apologize for the faulty spelling of the French subtitles; it's not my work, obviously.)

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Old 07-22-07, 11:15 PM
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Throw 96% in our face all you want, but it seems to me like Pixar is just going through the motions at this point. Boy meet protective dad, boy separate from dad, boy chase dream, boy was dad wrong. I dunno, I DID like it, just seems like I've seen this movie before at least 5 times. I really don't see how the script is clever enough to warrant these kind of reviews. And as for the message, the "Anybody can cook" message was fine and dandy, but the "Anybody can steal" message was shinning through just as brightly.
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Originally Posted by whoisKeel
Throw 96% in our face all you want, but it seems to me like Pixar is just going through the motions at this point. Boy meet protective dad, boy separate from dad, boy chase dream, boy was dad wrong. I dunno, I DID like it, just seems like I've seen this movie before at least 5 times. I really don't see how the script is clever enough to warrant these kind of reviews. And as for the message, the "Anybody can cook" message was fine and dandy, but the "Anybody can steal" message was shinning through just as brightly.
"Anybody can cook" was the film's kiddie message, and I'm glad you got it -- I would have been a little worried if you didn't. The exploration into the nature and value of criticism in today's society, and the delving in such subject matters as existential crisis & intolerance was geared more towards the adult audience and would tend to not be absorbed by the younger crowd member. It seems to have been lost on you, too. But whatever. 4% and all that.

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Old 11-07-07, 05:33 PM
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I feel compelled to bump this thread, just to say I re-watched the film on DVD last night and...DAMN, what a great movie. This sounds completely nerdy, but the animation is so rich and vivid and exquisite that it hits you almost at an emotional level. Combine that artistry with the strong story and humor, and you've really got something special.

P.S. My kids loved it too.
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Originally Posted by FunkDaddy J
I feel compelled to bump this thread, just to say I re-watched the film on DVD last night and...DAMN, what a great movie. This sounds completely nerdy, but the animation is so rich and vivid and exquisite that it hits you almost at an emotional level. Combine that artistry with the strong story and humor, and you've really got something special.

P.S. My kids loved it too.
It's been a long time since I enjoyed a DVD so much...
Old 11-08-07, 10:44 AM
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Finally got to see this on DVD last night and loved it. Another Pixar classic, IMO.

Originally Posted by CaptStormy
The summary of the chain of command in a professional kitchen was surprisingly well researched and right on the mark!
That's because Thomas Keller was their food supervisor/specialist for this.
Old 11-08-07, 03:54 PM
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I like Ratatouille for many reasons:

It reads like a book - or a fable. I didn't like it so much in the theatre because so much of it needs to be delved into and pondered, or rather savoured, it's impossible to see everything at once.

It follows the principles and solid tradition of the French farce, e.g.: La Cage aux Folles, which is a kind of light-hearted comedy based on an impossibility or an outrageous premise (a gay man trying to pass as straight, a rat acting as a cook in a fancy restaurant, etc.) where things and people are completly turned around every five minutes or so, with embarrassing results, but usually with a more profound message and ample occasion to analyze the personalities of a colourful bunch of characters and let a few good actors show their mettle and their range in a few well placed "crisis scenes" and speeches.

I also like it because I am French-speaking and whereas I usually find the convention whereby French people in Paris are expected to speak English with a French accent revolting, I must admit that the accents in this film are used to great effect. I am sure Janeane Garofalo doesn't speak French much but her characterization of a French female cook is priceless. A lot of study has gone into that performance - and its animation - and that of many of the other characters. I could listen to them talk for hours: Ian Holm, Peter O'Toole, the guy who plays the lawyer: all priceless...

I see this as a contender for Best Film of the Year or at the very least Best Original Screenplay.

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Old 11-08-07, 04:11 PM
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< incoherent jumble of thoughts>

Very solid flick. I didn't like that the movie stopped to have moral lessons - they could have been better integrated -- but the filmmakers did all they could with somewhat limiting material.

The direction and animation were fantastic for a majority of the flick, didn't care for the restaurant finale though. That all said, I highly recommend the flick.

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I love the transfer that is on the DVD..it's so clear, bright, and very vivid. LOVE the movie itself too and the special features.
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By the way, the French really liked the film because several famous cooks in France noticed that the way they cooked the food in the movie was amazingly accurate (which is actually true because the Pixar animators actually went to (I believe) a culinary institute and watched the preparation of food).
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Originally Posted by RayChuang
By the way, the French really liked the film because several famous cooks in France noticed that the way they cooked the food in the movie was amazingly accurate (which is actually true because the Pixar animators actually went to (I believe) a culinary institute and watched the preparation of food).
The ratatouille that Remy makes for Ego was apparently a variation invented by Keller for the film
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I finally watched this last night on DVD as a blind buy. I enjoyed it quite a bit, although i don't consider it Pixar's best, nor am i in love with it as some people here seem to be. I think Incredibles was better.

Remy was incredibly cute, and the animation on his fur and the detail of France was great. The mix between the critic and Skinner didn't really flow well with me, and part of it was fairly predictable. Some of the heart-warming stuff felt forced too. Still, the story was enjoyable, and Remy was flat out fun to watch. I couldn't believe that Garofolo was the voice of Collette either.

I also really enjoyed Lifted. Maybe my 3rd favorite short from Pixar behind For the Birds and One Man Band.

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