Josh H

Sorry, but I'm talking about movies from like the 1940s that make the list now, but didn't' 10 years ago. And same with that old of movies that now suddenly warrant making the list. Seems like those would have aged all they're going to.

Just seems odd to me. But then again my tastes in movies and music hasn't changes for probably 15 years or so as I still enjoy pretty much everything I did since my early teens.

And conversely, I've never seen a movie, not liked it, and then suddenly loved it on repeat viewings.

Quatermass

Since you don't actually have to see the movies to vote on them, it's all pretty meaningless anyway. It's really just about promoting movie rentals/purchases.

Speaking as someone with no credibility, I would add these (not previously mentioned, afaik):

Witness (1985)
Halloween (1978)
Escape from Alcatraz (1979)
Die Hard (1988)

Edit: whoops - Halloween was mentioned on the first page...

hardercore

All these suggested changes are great, now we just got to wait a couple months for AFI to release the Ultimate Revised Top 100 Films List That Everybody Agrees With Completely And Utterly.

dhmac

Oops! I left the words "I think" out of that sentence and never noticed it! Sorry about that.

Sid Yobbo

Ah, that would explain the nonsensical placing of Raging Bull as the fourth greatest American movie of all time (it doesn't even deserve to be in the Top 100). You have to hand it to the Scorsese fanboys - they sure are motivated.

Sondheim

Except that "Raging Bull" is also consistently ranked among the greatest films ever made on lists that aren't voted on by the general public.

Such as the Sight and Sound director's poll:

(http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/...directors.html) - check out number 6

and the They Shoot Pictures Don't They poll (voted on by critics and directors):

(http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_top100films.htm) - check out number 19

And both of those lists are international.

Though you may not agree with its ranking, that doesn't make it nonsensical. It's a well-loved film, and not just by "Scorsese fanboys" - unless you define a "Scorsese fanboy" as anyone who loves "Raging Bull."

Lokimok

But didn't you love it when he talked about Star Wars' computer generated effects?

Sid Yobbo

But I doubt the 'general public' did vote for Raging Bull. That's my point. Movies, like directors, have their blocks of fans & most Scorsese fans are either teenagers or belong to the 20-something crowd, the same crowd the AFI has been encouraging to sign up & vote. You have to realise that with only a few recent exceptions Scorsese's films have never done well at the box office. Older viewers have never liked his movies because they're turned off by the violence, the profanity & his clumsy storytelling. Scorsese's appeal has always rested with a young, predominently hip crowd. So what I suspect happened was that a disproportionate number of these kids joined the AFI for a minimal fee & voted for that title, with the farcical result that it now rests at number 4 on the list.

Gee, critics who elevate style over content. Who knew? Regardless, it won't alter my opinion of the movie. Raging Bull is an unmemorable, mediocre work & one of Scorsese's worst films. Anyone who seriously believes that this deserves to rank at number four either doesn't care about anything except style or has near zero sense of film history. There are dozens & dozens & dozens of American movies superior in every single aspect of their craft to this empty little film. But then I guess they don't have the adolescent, & rather determined following of Scorsese.

starman9000

I don't know, that seems like a pretty delusional take at the situation. Kids joining AFI to get Raging Bull votes? AFI catering to the teenage and 20 something crowd? Did you even see the rest of the top 100?

Seeker

Thanks to Giles, David Lambert and starseed for these lists - I wanted to compile them all together for myself, and thought others might like it "all in one".
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The American Film Institute's new Top 100 list, announced June 20, 2007. Movement up/down since the 1997 list noted in parentheses (there are also 23 new films shown as (n)).

1. Citizen Kane (1941) (no change)
2. The Godfather (1972) (+1)
3. Casablanca (1942) (-1)
4. Raging Bull (1980) (+20)
5. Singin' in the Rain (1952) (+5)
6. Gone with the Wind (1939) (-2)
7. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) (-2)
8. Schindler's List (1993) (+1)
9. Vertigo (1958) (+52)
10. The Wizard of Oz (1939) (-4)
11. City Lights (1931) (+65)
12. The Searchers (1956) (+84)
13. Star Wars (1977) (+2)
14. Psycho (1960) (+4)
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) (+7)
16. Sunset Boulevard (1950) (-4)
17. The Graduate (1967) (-10)
18. The General (1927) (n)
19. On the Waterfront (1954) (-11)
20. It's a Wonderful Life (1946) (-9)
21. Chinatown (1974) (-2)
22. Some Like It Hot (1959) (-8)
23. The Grapes of Wrath (1940) (-2)
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) (+1)
25. To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) (+9)
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939) (+3)
27. High Noon (1952) (+6)
28. All About Eve (1950) (-12)
29. Double Indemnity (1944) (+9)
30. Apocalypse Now (1979) (-2)
31. The Maltese Falcon (1941) (-8)
32. The Godfather Part II (1974) (no change)
33. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) (-13)
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (+15)
35. Annie Hall (1977) (-4)
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) (-23)
37. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) (no change)
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) (-8)
39. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) (-13)
40. The Sound of Music (1965) (+15)
41. King Kong (1933) (+2)
42. Bonnie and Clyde (1967) (-15)
43. Midnight Cowboy (1969) (-7)
44. The Philadelphia Story (1940) (+7)
45. Shane (1953) (+24)
46. It Happened One Night (1934) (-11)
47. A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) (-2)
48. Rear Window (1954) (-6)
49. Intolerance (1916) (n)
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) (n)
51. West Side Story (1961) (-10)
52. Taxi Driver (1976) (-5)
53. The Deer Hunter (1978) (+26)
54. M*A*S*H (1970) (+2)
55. North by Northwest (1959) (-15)
56. Jaws (1975) (-8)
57. Rocky (1976) (+21)
58. The Gold Rush (1925) (+16)
59. Nashville (1975) (n)
60. Duck Soup (1933) (+25)
61. Sullivan’s Travels (1941) (n)
62. American Graffiti (1973) (+15)
63. Cabaret (1972) (n)
64. Network (1976) (+2)
65. The African Queen (1951) (-47)
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) (-6)
67. Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966) (n)
68. Unforgiven (1992) (+30)
69. Tootsie (1982) (-7)
70. A Clockwork Orange (1971) (-24)
71. Saving Private Ryan (1998) (n)
72. The Shawshank Redemption (1994) (n)
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) (-23)
74. The Silence of the Lambs (1991) (-9)
75. In the Heat of the Night (1967) (n)
76. Forrest Gump (1994) (-5)
77. All the President’s Men (1976) (n)
78. Modern Times (1936) (+3)
79. The Wild Bunch (1969) (+1)
80. The Apartment (1960) (+13)
81. Spartacus (1960) (n)
82. Sunrise (1927) (n)
83. Titanic (1997) (n)
84. Easy Rider (1969) (+4)
85. A Night at the Opera (1935) (n)
86. Platoon (1986) (-3)
87. 12 Angry Men (1957) (n)
88. Bringing Up Baby (1938) (+9)
89. The Sixth Sense (1999) (n)
90. Swing Time (1936) (n)
91. Sophie’s Choice (1982) (n)
92. Goodfellas (1990) (+2)
93. The French Connection (1971) (-23)
94. Pulp Fiction (1994) (+1)
95. The Last Picture Show (1971) (n)
96. Do the Right Thing (1989) (n)
97. Blade Runner (1982) (n)
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942) (+2)
99. Toy Story (1995) (n)
100. Ben-Hur (1959) (-28)

The 23 films now GONE from the list: (1997 rank shown):

39. Doctor Zhivago (1965)
44. The Birth of a Nation (1915)
52. From Here to Eternity (1953)
53. Amadeus (1984)
54. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
57. The Third Man (1949)
58. Fantasia (1940)
59. Rebel Without a Cause (1955)
63. Stagecoach (1939)
64. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
67. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
68. An American in Paris (1951)
73. Wuthering Heights (1939)
75. Dances with Wolves (1990)
82. Giant (1956)
84. Fargo (1996)
86. Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)
87. Frankenstein (1931)
89. Patton (1970)
90. The Jazz Singer (1927)
91. My Fair Lady (1964)
92. A Place in the Sun (1951)
99. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967)









Debuting on the new list:

18. The General
49. Intolerance
50. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
59. Nashville
61. Sullivan's Travels
63. Cabaret
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
75. In the Heat of the Night
77. All the President's Men
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise
83. Titanic
85. A Night at the Opera
87. 12 Angry Men
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
99. Toy Story





LOST position, but stayed on the List (New rank shown with change):



65. The African Queen -48
100. Ben Hur -28
70. A Clockwork Orange -24
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai -23
73. Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid -23
93. The French Connection -23
42. Bonnie & Clyde -15
55. North by Northwest -15
33. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest -13
39. Dr. Strangelove -13
28. All About Eve -12
19. On the Waterfront -11
46. It Happened One Night -11
17. The Graduate -10
51. West Side Story -10
20. It's a Wonderful Live -9
74. The Silence of the Lambs -9
22. Some Like it Hot -8
31. The Maltese Falcon -8
38. The Treasure of Sierra Madre -8
56. Jaws -8
43. Midnight Cowboy -7
69. Tootsie -7
48. Rear Window -6
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark -6
52. Taxi Driver -5
76. Forrest Gump -5
10. The Wizard of Oz -4
16. Sunset Blvd. -4
35. Annie Hall -4
86. Platoon -3
6. Gone With the Wind -2
7. Lawrence of Arabia -2
21. Chinatown -2
23. The Grapes of Wrath -2
30. Apocalypse Now -2
47. A Streetcar Named Desire -2
3. Casablanca -1





Gained rank on the list: (new rank shown):

12. The Searchers 84
11. City Lights 65
9. Vertigo 52
68. Unforgiven 30
53. The Deer Hunter 26
60. Duck Soup 25
45. Shane 24
57. Rocky 21
4. Raging Bull 20
58. The Gold Rush 16
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 15
40. The Sound of Music 15
62. American Graffiti 15
80. The Apartment 13
25. To Kill a Mockingbird 9
29. Double Indemnity 9
88. Bringing Up Baby 9
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey 7
44. The Philadelphia Story 7
27. High Noon 6
5. Singin' in the Rain 5
14. Psycho 4
84. Easy Rider 4
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington 3
78. Modern Times 3
13. Star Wars 2
41. King Kong 2
54. M*A*S*H 2
64. Network 2
92. Goodfellas 2
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy 2
2. The Godfather 1
8. Schindler's List 1
24. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial 1
79. The Wild Bunch 1
94. Pulp Fiction 1





No change on the list:

1. Citizen Kane
32. The Godfather Part II
37. The Best Years of Our Lives





Criteria for consideration, per the 2007 ballot:

- Feature-length fiction film - Narrative format, typically over 60 minutes in length.

- American film - Motion picture with significant creative and/or production elements from the United States.

- Critical recognition - Formal commendation in print, television and digital media.

- Major award winner - Recognition from competitive events including awards from peer groups, critics, guilds and major film festivals.

- Popularity over time - Including success at the box office, television and cable airings, and DVD/VHS sales and rentals.

- Historical significance - A film's mark on the history of the moving image through visionary narrative devices, technical innovation, or other groundbreaking achievements.

- Cultural impact - A film's mark on American society in matters of style and substance.





Original 1997 List:



1. CITIZEN KANE (1941)
2. CASABLANCA (1942)
3. THE GODFATHER (1972)
4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939)
5. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)
6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)
7. THE GRADUATE (1967)
8. ON THE WATERFRONT (1954)
9. SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993)
10. SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (1952)
11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)
12. SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950)
13. THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (1957)
14. SOME LIKE IT HOT (1959)
15. STAR WARS (1977)
16. ALL ABOUT EVE (1950)
17. THE AFRICAN QUEEN (1951)
18. PSYCHO (1960)
19. CHINATOWN (1974)
20. ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST (1975)
21. THE GRAPES OF WRATH (1940)
22. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968)
23. THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)
24. RAGING BULL (1980)
25. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (1982)
26. DR. STRANGELOVE (1964)
27. BONNIE AND CLYDE (1967)
28. APOCALYPSE NOW (1979)
29. MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON (1939)
30. THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948)
31. ANNIE HALL (1977)
32. THE GODFATHER PART II (1974)
33. HIGH NOON (1952)
34. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)
35. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
36. MIDNIGHT COWBOY (1969)
37. THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1946)
38. DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944)
39. DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (1965)
40. NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959)
41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961)
42. REAR WINDOW (1954)
43. KING KONG (1933)
44. THE BIRTH OF A NATION (1915)
45. A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (1951)
46. A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971)
47. TAXI DRIVER (1976)
48. JAWS (1975)
49. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)
50. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969)
51. THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (1940)
52. FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (1953)
53. AMADEUS (1984)
54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)
55. THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)
56. M*A*S*H (1970)
57. THE THIRD MAN (1949)
58. FANTASIA (1940)
59. REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (1955)
60. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)
61. VERTIGO (1958)
62. TOOTSIE (1982)
63. STAGECOACH (1939)
64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)
65. THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991)
66. NETWORK (1976)
67. THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE (1962)
68. AN AMERICAN IN PARIS (1951)
69. SHANE (1953)
70. THE FRENCH CONNECTION (1971)
71. FORREST GUMP (1994)
72. BEN-HUR (1959)
73. WUTHERING HEIGHTS (1939)
74. THE GOLD RUSH (1925)
75. DANCES WITH WOLVES (1990)
76. CITY LIGHTS (1931)
77. AMERICAN GRAFFITI (1973)
78. ROCKY (1976)
79. THE DEER HUNTER (1978)
80. THE WILD BUNCH (1969)
81. MODERN TIMES (1936)
82. GIANT (1956)
83. PLATOON (1986)
84. FARGO (1996)
85. DUCK SOUP (1933)
86. MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1935)
87. FRANKENSTEIN (1931)
88. EASY RIDER (1969)
89. PATTON (1970)
90. THE JAZZ SINGER (1927)
91. MY FAIR LADY (1964)
92. A PLACE IN THE SUN (1951)
93. THE APARTMENT (1960)
94. GOODFELLAS (1990)
95. PULP FICTION (1994)
96. THE SEARCHERS (1956)
97. BRINGING UP BABY (1938)
98. UNFORGIVEN (1992)
99. GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER (1967)
100. YANKEE DOODLE DANDY (1942)

Drexl

See Goodfellas (only moved up two spots in the 90's) and Taxi Driver (moved down).

johnnysd

You are so clearly in the minority here it is amazing. You think that 20-somethings who were NOT BORN when Raging Bull came out are the reason it gets on the list? That is beyond silly. You dislike the film: fine. But it many people's views (myself included), it is easily Scorcese's best film, and the best film of the last 25 years. I think that Memento and Eternal Sunshine....are pretentious crap, but that opinion is also not held by most.

Daytripper

I'm pretty stunned "The Exorcist" wasn't on either list.

Gerry P.

The internet... you've gotta love it.

Dane Marvin

The Third Man being off the list sucks as does Rebel Without a Cause. But I am in love with the addition of Sullivan's Travels to the list (and fairly high for being absent altogether the first time). About time!

wilky61

My reactions to the list:

I was glad Fargo dropped off the list.
I was glad It's A Wonderful Life dropped.
I was glad 2001: A Space Odyssey rose.
I was very glad Vertigo made the top 10.
I was disappointed to see Amadeus fall off the list entirely.
I was disappointed Ben-Hur just barely made the list. An incredible movie, one of my top 15-20.
I was disappointed to see The Graduate (my favorite movie of all-time) drop out of the top 10, but I expected it. To be honest, I was quite surprised to see AFI give the movie so much recognition back ten years ago.

But my biggest shock of all was when Raging Bull took the #4-spot, especially after On the Waterfront nearly fell out of the top 20. I still don't understand this choice...

Defiant1

The Shawshank Redemption is only #72? Hmm...

7Keys

Does anyone have a list of what actors were in the most of these movies? How about directors?

I would have loved to seen Back to the Future and the Ten Commandments on there.

The Searchers moving up 84 spots...wow.

I wasn't crazy about the Exorcist but was suprised that it didn't make it.

I don't quite get the love for Midnight Cowboy. Maybe it was groundbreaking back then, but I found it terrible. Although, I really liked Hoffman's acting.

I'm also glad Fargo is off the list.

NoirFan

Glad to see Nashville there, though it should be MUCH higher than 59. Also, Godfather is #2, while Part II, a far better film, is at #32? And the omission of The Third Man is shameful. Ah well. These lists are all populist dreck anyway. Has there been a DVD Talk Top 100? That I'd like to see.

Harry Lime

Americas top 100 films my balls, no Cassavetes means this list is already useless but even so there are a lot of great films to fill up a top 100 hundred but WTF...

1st What the fuck...No The Third Man and that piece of shit lord of the cock rings made it to 50!

2nd What the fuck...No Birth of a Nation! Intolerance is a masterpiece and deserved to be on the list along with the great Birth of a Nation.

You wouldn't know a good film if it were to bite you in the ass.


I don't even want to go on with this. So many great films taken out and so much shit put in.

And I thought the first list was horrible. This one is a disgrace to Cinema.

nateman

Well said.

Schindler's list deserves more respect damn it! If any movie that doesn't deserve to be in the top 10 is Signin' In the Rain & the beyond overrated Castablanca.

aintnosin

Maybe that Jennifer Aniston/Kevin Costner crapfest ruined the movie for everybody.

PopcornTreeCt

I just want to also throw in my disdain hatred for 12 Angry Men. The defendant is obviously guilty and one asshole in the jury pretends to be a lawyer, including bringing his own knife into the jury room. It's like watching a behind the scenes version of the O.J. trial.

Horrible movie. It's too bad that politics has now been injected into the list.

runnersdialzero

I totally agree about Casablanca. WAYYY overrated.

Saxon

Groucho

As a British film, The Third Man shouldn't have been on the list to begin with.