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I don't buy into the Raimi being "too nice a guy". Danny Elfman didn't even want to work with him after the second one. I think the film suffered for a few reasons.
1: Raimi really didn't know what he wanted to do with it. 2: The studio pissed him off and forced more characters in the film than he wanted. So, I place the blame on both of them. |
I already posted my opinions on the film earlier, but I would like to reiterate that the best way to describe this movie is "Wasted Opportunity." The movie itself is okay and entertaining for the most part. However, compared to the first two movies, which I thought were great, it is just lacking in almost every way.
So if you are looking to watch a big budget popcorn flick, then Spiderman 3 will serve that purpose well. Even during the slower parts there is a lot of humor both intentional and unintentional, to keep you entertained. But if you are looking for a movie on par with the first 2 Spiderman movies, don't waste your time on this movie. You will only leave disappointed. |
Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I don't buy into the Raimi being "too nice a guy". Danny Elfman didn't even want to work with him after the second one.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
1. Raimi was contracted into doing a third one. Big word being contracted.
2. Raimi, like every individual, still needs to put bread on the table. 3. If you're contracted into doing a film and the powers that be tell you to do something, you do it if you still want to work in Hollywood (a.k.a. Fincher on Alien 3). That way, everyone in Hollywood thinks highly of you and you're not blackballed out of there. All true, but I still believe that Sam stands behind the film he made... While Raimi isn't in a league with the likes of Spielberg as far as power in Hollywood, he's hardly in the same situation as Fincher was with Alien 3 (a director just starting out, trying to make a name for himself). Some elements were forced upon him, but I don't think he shit the bed on purpose out of spite. After facing the facts that he had to do certain things, I'm sure he tried his best but it ended up not being good enough. I hate to be one of the detractors who keep posting stuff like this - I wanted to be the fucking spokesperson for how kick ass this movie was but it just didn't happen.... |
As someone who thought the first movie as awful and boring, and the second one was very good, should I see this movie? I have no high expectations other than to be entertained: I've never been a fan of the character. Is this worthy seeing in theatres? Signs tend to point to "yes" although I should keep my expectations in check.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Ridiculous. Comparing this movie to Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Superman IV, etc. and Peter to Jar-Jar Binks is such absurd hyperbole.
I hated X-Men 3 with a passion. I thought it completely betrayed the characters, the fans, and everything Bryan Singer worked for. I remember there being quite a few hyperbolic complaints just about making Sandman the killer of Ben. |
Originally Posted by The Bus
As someone who thought the first movie as awful and boring, and the second one was very good, should I see this movie? I have no high expectations other than to be entertained: I've never been a fan of the character. Is this worthy seeing in theatres? Signs tend to point to "yes" although I should keep my expectations in check.
I probably would say to wait for the dvd and skip the theater, but if you don't plan to see other movies this summer, then you might as well give this a try but keep in mind of the two main complaints in this thread - emo pete and venom being underused. The movie does has its good moments - sandman, action scenes, harry. |
I enjoyed the film greatly. -screwy-
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I'm in the camp that thought SM2 was the single greatest superhero adaptation ever, and I had a lot of concerns about this film based on the production leaks.
3 villains...including Venom, who I didn't think would translate well on screen. Sandman killed uncle Ben? Huh? Gwen Stacy? Isn't this movie getting a bit crowded? But hey, this is Sam Raimi, and he's hit it out of the park twice and got the benefit of the doubt. I didn't hate the movie...it was mostly fun...but my fears were well founded as none of the above worked. B- |
I would rank this one 2nd best of the first 3 films (2 being the best,then 3 and 1).I love all that action and Dark-Pete is so funny,my grade is just B.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
As someone who thought the first movie as awful and boring, and the second one was very good, should I see this movie? I have no high expectations other than to be entertained: I've never been a fan of the character. Is this worthy seeing in theatres? Signs tend to point to "yes" although I should keep my expectations in check.
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Yeah, these long movies are annoying for theaters but they're great for dvds at home.
My ass was sore the whole time. My bladder was giving me a lot of pressure, but around the second half, it relaxed up and told me not to worry and just enjoy the movie. |
Here is a fantastic John August blog posting that goes over so many of the coincidences in SP3.
And for those of you who don't know, John August is a screenwriter, and his credits include Go, Charlie's Angels, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, The Nines, and the upcoming Shazam! as well. |
I just got back and I can't add too much that hasn't been said. I generally liked it but I think I agree with some of the negative comments. :(
This film suffered from "Hulk-itis"...too much "human story stuff" and not enough ass kicking and thrills. Don't get me wrong, I get Peter's tough life and what thrills they gave us were cool. I mean for all the hate of Sandman he was well done in this film. Venom was also pretty good looking. I think the problem was that the great success of SM2's "human story" led someone to believe that "More will be better" in terms of Peter and his personal shit and they were wrong in how it was handled in SM3. I also agree with those who said we needed more for Ursula the Russian Super's Daughter. I think she's the sweetest and most intersting female in whole series. |
I thought it was decent. I do agree with some of the criticism. I really wish they had done Raimi's original vision. Introduce the sandman and the black spidey suit. Resolve the Harry/Goblin story arc. At the end, Peter gets rid of the symbiote and Eddie gets a hold of it, leading into an awesome 4th film. That would have been plenty of plot, instead of shoe-horning in Venom into this film and making a mess.
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Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
Here is a fantastic John August blog posting that goes over so many of the coincidences in SP3.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ohnaugust.com/ The full text (spoilerized): Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
Here is a fantastic John August blog posting that goes over so many of the coincidences in SP3.
And for those of you who don't know, John August is a screenwriter, and his credits include Go, Charlie's Angels, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, The Nines, and the upcoming Shazam! as well. Seriously, August is so full of BS. You can take ANY movie and come up with that many coincidences if you examine it long enough. Heck, you can take any person's life and come up with a ton of coincidences. You have to have a certain "suspension of disbelief" in a movie...otherwise the film would never get anywhere. |
Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
I'll take "Movies that are all WORSE than Spider-Man 3" for $100, Alex. :)
Seriously, August is so full of BS. You can take ANY movie and come up with that many coincidences if you examine it long enough. Heck, you can take any person's life and come up with a ton of coincidences. You have to have a certain "suspension of disbelief" in a movie...otherwise the film would never get anywhere. |
Originally Posted by Goldblum
I thought his article was well reasoned and something screenwriters should strive for. He mentions that viewers need a "suspension of disbelief" and every film has some coincidences and that is ok. I agree with him that too many, however, is detrimental.
I did think August's suggestions for making it better were shit, though. |
Originally Posted by Goldblum
I thought his article was well reasoned and something screenwriters should strive for. He mentions that viewers need a "suspension of disbelief" and every film has some coincidences and that is ok. I agree with him that too many, however, is detrimental.
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Of the films listed by BrentLumkin, the only one I've seen is Go, and it was a hell of a lot better written than Spider-Man 3.
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Originally Posted by Ranger
The second quote appears to be hyperbole too.
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GO was a movie full of conincidences, all about it more or less. Still better thought out than SM3 though.
EDIT: While I thought it was lackluster, I don't want to give off the impression I thought it was abysmal. It is at least made with some competence, as opposed to the company in which everyone seems to want to place it. What about the coinicidence that Darth Vader happens to be attacking Leia's ship not only over the planet where his son lives, but where he grew up as well? Or that Anakin's mother dies right when he arrives to start him down the dark path? Or that Anakin and Obi-Wan happen to fight on a planet covered with lava that could badly burn him? Or that Boba Fett happened to be a clone of the man who was the template for the stormtrooper army that could wipe out the Jedi yet fall to teddy bears? |
Originally Posted by LivingINClip
(3) We have a butler that we never seen, to turn Harry around.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Way to take something out of context. If you read the rest of my post, you'll see that I said X3 is still well made enough to NOT be put in with the likes of Batman & Robin, Catwoman, and Superman IV. It's my personal opinion that the movie was terrible beyond words, but I'm not confusing that with the general perception of the film. My point was that some people here might not have liked Spider-Man 3, but it's not in the same group as those truly awful movies.
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