The Golden Compass
11-11-07, 04:44 PM
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Big fan of the trilogy here.
FYI: The first book has little mention of religion, and I doubt the movie will, either. The religious elements come into play later on.
Oh, and saying "the kids kill God" is an asinine over-simplification of what actually happens.
FYI: The first book has little mention of religion, and I doubt the movie will, either. The religious elements come into play later on.
Oh, and saying "the kids kill God" is an asinine over-simplification of what actually happens.
11-11-07, 04:47 PM
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Based on the Snopes article, the quote about the movie "killing God" isn't really accurate.
Spoiler:
11-11-07, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Banjo
Big fan of the trilogy here.
FYI: The first book has little mention of religion, and I doubt the movie will, either. The religious elements come into play later on.
Oh, and saying "the kids kill God" is an asinine over-simplification of what actually happens.
FYI: The first book has little mention of religion, and I doubt the movie will, either. The religious elements come into play later on.
Oh, and saying "the kids kill God" is an asinine over-simplification of what actually happens.
As far as the message in the movie goes, they did an interview with Nicole Kidman about the "anti God" message in the message in the movie and she said that since she was a strong believer herself, and if the movie had such a strong "anti God" message she would never had taken part in it. This leads me to believe they have "dumbed down" parts of message for mass appeal. But as already stated, there really isn't much of this until the third book anyways...
11-12-07, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FunkDaddy J
I also wonder, what's the point of these kinds of boycotting efforts? Look what happened with Martin Scorsese’s The Last Temptation of Christ. ...
The studios will play along as long as it doesn't go to extremes because of the free publicity. The media is being used, but they don't care either because it gives them something to print and sell copies with. Religious fanatics get something to do and feel that they are needed. Others get a good laugh. Everybody wins.
11-12-07, 05:16 AM
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Clive Barker's "Imajica"... "Golden Compass for Adults" 
I would say that if you're a Christian, take your kids anyway. Just be prepared to answer some potentially difficult questions if they should come up. You should be doing that anyway....
The point is, chances are the kids will just enjoy the movie for what it is then go back to their Britney Spears CD's and texting their BFE's.
This whole topics shows the insane bullshit pain in the ass extremists on both sides of the There's a God/There's no god issue.
I love The Internets!
I would say that if you're a Christian, take your kids anyway. Just be prepared to answer some potentially difficult questions if they should come up. You should be doing that anyway....
The point is, chances are the kids will just enjoy the movie for what it is then go back to their Britney Spears CD's and texting their BFE's.
This whole topics shows the insane bullshit pain in the ass extremists on both sides of the There's a God/There's no god issue.
I love The Internets!
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11-12-07, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by toddly6666
Thanks for spoiling the ending
11-12-07, 09:23 AM
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This movie looks like yet another LOTR/Narnia clone, but I might have to buy a ticket (even if I don't see it) just to do my part to enrage the idiots protesting it.
11-12-07, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
The point is, chances are the kids will just enjoy the movie for what it is then go back to their Britney Spears CD's and texting their BFE's.
11-12-07, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by devilshalo
Best Friend Experience? Been hobbying much?
Like I know what those teen bitches are into.
11-12-07, 10:01 AM
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In defense of the OP, I've heard about this film and the first thing I was told was something along the same lines.
Let the Christianists have their dumb boycott. However, they sure killed Madonna's career after she released Like a Virgin back in 1984. I haven't heard anything about her since.
Let the Christianists have their dumb boycott. However, they sure killed Madonna's career after she released Like a Virgin back in 1984. I haven't heard anything about her since.
11-12-07, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
This movie looks like yet another LOTR/Narnia clone, but I might have to buy a ticket (even if I don't see it) just to do my part to enrage the idiots protesting it.
11-12-07, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Not even close. Did you even bother reading my post? Read the books.
Sounds like the poster is right on.
11-12-07, 12:10 PM
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The church is boycotting the film not because of its content, which is presumably irrelevant at this point, but because the film serves as a "hook", a kids' adventure story to get children interested in reading the books which, as it has been pointed out, amplify their atheistic intent the further into the series.
This isn't an example of Catholic bigotry jumping all over an offensive message, and certainly not the ridiculously reductive notion of judging a film's content before its release, which is calling the kettle black around here. This is a subterfuge by the author of the books to lure children into an atheistic mode of thinking by purely superficial means. If you care to think of a magical film or book from your childhood with such an idea superimposed, would you have rejected it based on its ideology? I would think not, nonetheless; word travels fast amongst children these days and its doubtful that the intent of the author would go 'under their radar'-- if kids like something they'll support it, ideology and all.
So the only intolerance of beliefs comes from the author, not the catholic church, and not the film, or at least its too early to tell. The boycott at least makes this known to parents so that how they raise their children won't be undercut by a deceptive novelist.
Nevertheless, the ignorance and blasé attitudes of this forum never fail to impress me.
This isn't an example of Catholic bigotry jumping all over an offensive message, and certainly not the ridiculously reductive notion of judging a film's content before its release, which is calling the kettle black around here. This is a subterfuge by the author of the books to lure children into an atheistic mode of thinking by purely superficial means. If you care to think of a magical film or book from your childhood with such an idea superimposed, would you have rejected it based on its ideology? I would think not, nonetheless; word travels fast amongst children these days and its doubtful that the intent of the author would go 'under their radar'-- if kids like something they'll support it, ideology and all.
So the only intolerance of beliefs comes from the author, not the catholic church, and not the film, or at least its too early to tell. The boycott at least makes this known to parents so that how they raise their children won't be undercut by a deceptive novelist.
Nevertheless, the ignorance and blasé attitudes of this forum never fail to impress me.
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11-12-07, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacobsen
Nevertheless, the ignorance and blasé attitudes of this forum never fail to impress me.
Seriously, first we had a boycott of Disney (didn't work), Harry Potter (same) and now this. As I said earlier, these boycotts only serve as publicity. We know what Hollywood believes about publicity...
11-12-07, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacobsen
The church is boycotting the film not because of its content, which is presumably irrelevant at this point, but because the film serves as a "hook", a kids' adventure story to get children interested in reading the books which, as it has been pointed out, amplify their atheistic intent the further into the series.
This isn't an example of Catholic bigotry jumping all over an offensive message, and certainly not the ridiculously reductive notion of judging a film's content before its release, which is calling the kettle black around here. This is a subterfuge by the author of the books to lure children into an atheistic mode of thinking by purely superficial means. If you care to think of a magical film or book from your childhood with such an idea superimposed, would you have rejected it based on its ideology? I would think not, nonetheless; word travels fast amongst children these days and its doubtful that the intent of the author would go 'under their radar'-- if kids like something they'll support it, ideology and all.
So the only intolerance of beliefs comes from the author, not the catholic church, and not the film, or at least its too early to tell. The boycott at least makes this known to parents so that how they raise their children won't be undercut by a deceptive novelist.
Nevertheless, the ignorance and blasé attitudes of this forum never fail to impress me.
This isn't an example of Catholic bigotry jumping all over an offensive message, and certainly not the ridiculously reductive notion of judging a film's content before its release, which is calling the kettle black around here. This is a subterfuge by the author of the books to lure children into an atheistic mode of thinking by purely superficial means. If you care to think of a magical film or book from your childhood with such an idea superimposed, would you have rejected it based on its ideology? I would think not, nonetheless; word travels fast amongst children these days and its doubtful that the intent of the author would go 'under their radar'-- if kids like something they'll support it, ideology and all.
So the only intolerance of beliefs comes from the author, not the catholic church, and not the film, or at least its too early to tell. The boycott at least makes this known to parents so that how they raise their children won't be undercut by a deceptive novelist.
Nevertheless, the ignorance and blasé attitudes of this forum never fail to impress me.
What I'm wondering is if you are objecting to the fact there is a message at all or if you simply object to the atheism.
When I look at it, I see that that's the viewpoint of the book. It's not inherently right or wrong, it's just the viewpoint. It's up to the reader to take it from there.