What happened to Hollywood during the 80's?
It seemed like during the 70's, all of Hollywood's great movies are what we would consider independent films nowadays. Movies like Network, Dog Day Afternoon, Taxi Driver, Clockwork Orange -all big budget indies. Then the 80's came and all we got were safe pictures. It seems like the grittyness of the 70's just disappeared overnight. The 80's brought us silly but memorable comedies and some great adventures but the intellectually stimulating films of the decade prior just vanished. Then finally the 90's brought back some of that missing thought provoking cinema back to theatres. Now this is in regards to Hollywood, the rest of the world continued to make brilliant films throughout the 80's.
Do you agree? Disagree? What happened to Hollywood during the 80's? |
One word answer: Jaws. The impact of the "blockbuster" meant studio money was spent on crowd-pleasers rather than on smaller films. It took time, but eventually the gap was filled by independents.
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For better or for worse it came down to two people: Spielberg and Lucas. With Empire , Raiders, E.T. and so on. But still it wasn't all about commerce. Directors like Peter Weir did their best work in the Eighties. Scorsese was doing fantastic, dazzling work. Blue Velvet came out. Do The Right Thing in 89'.
It wasn't anything like the Easy Riders, Raging Bull era but still there were some pretty amazing movies. The 70's gave us, Spielberg, Lucas, Coppola, Scorsese, DePalma, Lumet. The 80's Gave us, David Lynch, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone, Jim Jarmusch. The 90's Gave Us, Quentin Tarantino, Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Sam Mendes. |
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It seemed like during the 70's, all of Hollywood's great movies are what we would consider independent films nowadays. Movies like Network, Dog Day Afternoon, Taxi Driver, Clockwork Orange -all big budget indies. Then the 80's came and all we got were safe pictures. It seems like the grittyness of the 70's just disappeared overnight.
Heaven's Gate From Wikipedia, which summarizes what I heard elsewhere: "The fracas had a wider effect on the American film industry at the time. During the 1970s, relatively young directors such as Francis Ford Coppola, Peter Bogdanovich, and William Friedkin were given unprecedentedly large budgets with very little studio control (New Hollywood). The studio largesse eventually led to the new paradigm of the high concept feature, epitomized by Jaws and Star Wars. But it also led to less successful films as Friedkin's Sorcerer (1977), and culminating in Coppola's One from the Heart and Cimino's Heaven's Gate, among other money-losers. As the new high-concept paradigm of film making became more entrenched, studio control of budgets and productions became tighter, ending the free-wheeling excesses that begat Heaven's Gate." |
Originally Posted by JasonTHX
For better or for worse it came down to two people: Spielberg and Lucas. With Empire , Raiders, E.T. and so on. But still it wasn't all about commerce. Directors like Peter Weir did their best work in the Eighties. Scorsese was doing fantastic, dazzling work. Blue Velvet came out. Do The Right Thing in 89'.
It wasn't anything like the Easy Riders, Raging Bull era but still there were some pretty amazing movies. The 70's gave us, Spielberg, Lucas, Coppola, Scorsese, DePalma, Lumet. The 80's Gave us, David Lynch, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone, Jim Jarmusch. The 90's Gave Us, Quentin Tarantino, Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Sam Mendes. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I don't think I'd put Kevin Smith in that group. Where's Michael Mann? Ridley Scott? Ang Lee?
I've only seen two of Ang Lee's films that I liked. I don't know if I'd add him to the list. At least not before talking about WKW. |
Originally Posted by Mrs. Groucho
One word answer: Jaws.
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While the 80s had its share of good movies, the quality dropped dramatically. Look at this list from the 70s.
The Godfather Part 1,2 Taxi Driver Apacolypse Now Deer Hunter Rocky 1,2 Star Wars Jaws Dog Day Afternoon A Clockwork Orange One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest Chinatown The French Connection Alien The Conversation Mean Streets Dirty Harry Outlaw Josey Whales Close Encounters of the Third Kind |
Originally Posted by slabinskia
While the 80s had its share of good movies, the quality dropped dramatically. Look at this list from the 70s.
The Godfather Part 1,2 Taxi Driver Apacolypse Now Deer Hunter Rocky 1,2 Star Wars Jaws Dog Day Afternoon A Clockwork Orange One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest Chinatown The French Connection Alien The Conversation Mean Streets Dirty Harry Outlaw Josey Whales Close Encounters of the Third Kind |
Originally Posted by wendersfan
No, three words: Jaws. Star Wars.
As serious (and seriously good) as the 1970s were, I still have a soft spot for comedies from that era. Aside from Python, Allen, and Animal House, I can't recall a lot of comedies from the 70s. (OK, ok, The Jerk). But a 1980's comedy list would be insanely long. I don't know if it's because I grew up on them on cable, but I think that decade had a lot of good comedy. |
Disco, cocaine, fashion, Reagan and synth pop. -wink-
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Two words: new wave.
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Originally Posted by JasonTHX
The 90's Gave Us, Quentin Tarantino, Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Sam Mendes.
Oh, and David Fincher has, AFAIK, never made an "indie" film in his life. |
Originally Posted by JasonTHX
For better or for worse it came down to two people: Spielberg and Lucas. With Empire , Raiders, E.T. and so on. But still it wasn't all about commerce. Directors like Peter Weir did their best work in the Eighties. Scorsese was doing fantastic, dazzling work. Blue Velvet came out. Do The Right Thing in 89'.
It wasn't anything like the Easy Riders, Raging Bull era but still there were some pretty amazing movies. The 70's gave us, Spielberg, Lucas, Coppola, Scorsese, DePalma, Lumet. The 80's Gave us, David Lynch, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone, Jim Jarmusch. The 90's Gave Us, Quentin Tarantino, Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Sam Mendes. |
Richard Linklater came out of the 80's as well right? What about Errol Morris?
Anyways, a great book to read if you're interested in the 80's independent movie scene is "Spike, Mike, Slackers, and Dykes" by John Pierson. Chronicles independent film from 1984-1994 (Slacker to Pulp Fiction) |
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
What happened to Hollywood during the 80's?
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The 80s had some awesome movies Ferris Bueller, Bevery Hills Cop 16 Candles, Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, Police Academy, Spie Like Us, Teen Wolf ummm...Cobra, Short Circuit 2, ummm...the one where Dudley Moore and Kirk Cameron switched bodies. A LOT OF GREAT MOVIES.
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And of course:...
BRAZIL |
And no mention of the Coen brothers either! forshame
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Originally Posted by Apone
Disco, cocaine, fashion, Reagan and synth pop. -wink-
That said, the more I have thought about it, the more I feel that movies on the whole really didn't get any worse, or better. I don't think the OP's question is legit, in other words. There are so many great directors who, regardless of when they came of age, were doing great work in the eighties. Yes, many of them had an embarrassing misstep or two (chalk it up to cocaine, or whatever other mania you feel is appropriate.) But really, the question is flawed because NO decade since the seventies has come close. If the typical studio picture now, or in the nineties, was better than in the eighties then you could say the eighties was the anomalous era. The question should be, "What happened to Hollywood during the 70's [that made the output so extraordinary]?" And that question has already been adequately answered here, by people who've read books like Easy Riders, Raging Bulls. |
Jaws started the blockbuster, by my beloved Star Wars changed movie for the worse, and this is coming from a person whose favorite movie of all-time was Star Wars.
Star Wars changed movies because it brought back the fun factor in movies that appealed to adults and children, and that brought in huge box office numbers in 1977. Short term, you had a slew of fun, well done movies that appealed to all audiences: Superman: The Movie, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T. and Back to the Future. Over time, the blockbuster turned into the dummy movie of the week that was laden with special effects and no story or characters development. Years later, the big box office hits were Independence Day, Twister, The Perfect Storm, etc. Those movies focused on CGI to sell the movie, and only appeal to a younger demographic because older moviegoers want a decent story and good characters when they watch a movie too. The 70's had gritty, hard nosed movies, and the late 70's/early 80's had fun, fantasy-type movies, but they were both high in quality in terms of entertainment. With the exception of movies like Jurassic Park, Lord of the Rings, and The Matrix in the last 15 years, the summer blockbusters are forgettable CG-laden movies that nobody will care about years down the line. |
I don't think I'd put Kevin Smith in that group. Where's Michael Mann? Ridley Scott? Ang Lee? But yes, Coens do deserve a mention. So does John Singleton. |
Some highlights from the 80's
Reds Blow Out Prince Of The City The King Of Comedy Sophie's Choice Rumble Fish The Dead Zone Once Upon A Time In America Paris, Texas Blood Simple Brazil The Falcon And The Snowman Body Double The Fly After Hours Prizzi's Honor Hannah And Her Sisters Kiss Of The Spider Woman Witness Blue Velvet Year Of The Dragon The Name Of The Rose Angel Heart Platoon Down By Law She's Gotta Have It Something Wild Bird A Fish Called Wanda The Last Emperor Frantic Near Dark Scanners The Unbearable Lightness Of Being Dead Ringers Mississippi Burning Sex, Lies And Videotape Videodrome Crimes And Misdemeanors |
All these movies were made in the 80s:
Aliens An Officer And A Gentleman Back To The Future Big Big Trouble In Little China Blade Runner The Color Purple Die Hard Do The Right Thing The Empire Strikes Back Escape From New York Field Of Dreams First Blood Full Metal Jacket Ghostbusters Glory House of Games The Karate Kid Ladyhawke Lethal Weapon Manhunter The Naked Gun Planes, Trains & Automobiles Platoon Poltergeist Predator The Princess Bride Raiders Of The Lost Ark Rain Man RoboCop Scarface Somewhere In Time Star Trek II Star Trek IV The Terminator The Thing This Is Spinal Tap The Untouchables Wall Street War Games When Harry Met Sally Who Framed Roger Rabbit Witness Yes, a lot of bigger budget movies than smaller ones...but that didn't mean the quality disappeared. Heck, I probably love more movies from the 80s than any other decade. |
Originally Posted by JasonTHX
...video store geek/slacker directors [...] like Linklater.
Originally Posted by JasonTHX
But yes, Coens do deserve a mention. So does John Singleton.
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