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whoopdido 02-13-07 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by JIF
After John Connor threw the arm and the chip in the molted steel, I immediately thought, hey what about the arm that Arnold left in the gears of that machine? You know, the arm that he pried off with the help of that steel bar so that he could stop the T-1000 from attacking Sarah and John.

That arm may have been the reason why Skynet was born again.


I think it's a proven fact that thinking too much about the Terminator movies will eventually cause your head to explode.

I'm still trying to figure out how John Conner could send Reese back in time who then impregnates his mother allowing him to be born. Where did John originally come from before he sent Reese back in time? The only reason he exists is because Reese was sent back in time but John was the one who sent him back so if Reese had never been sent back in time John would never had been born and therefore could not send Reese back in time, but if Reese had never been sent back in time how did John come to be?

I think my brains are starting to leak out already.

UAIOE 02-13-07 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by JIF
After John Connor threw the arm and the chip in the molted steel, I immediately thought, hey what about the arm that Arnold left in the gears of that machine? You know, the arm that he pried off with the help of that steel bar so that he could stop the T-1000 from attacking Sarah and John.

That arm may have been the reason why Skynet was born again.

Yeah, but I'd guess that their research was based upon the chip found and not the arm. Even the T-800 points to his own chip (head) near the end of the movie.

I suppose the arm could be used in some type of research, but i doubt very seriously it would have lead to the same breakthroughs that having the chip would.

Joe Molotov 02-13-07 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by JIF
After Scotty and Chekov witness Kirk's supposed death in the film's opening, why would Scotty think that Kirk himself sent the Enterprise to rescue him in an episode of STAR TREK: TNG? Did he forget that Kirk died more than 75 years earlier?

Well, he did have Alzheimer's.

Superboy 02-14-07 03:04 AM

Jennifer from Back to the Future. She looks totally different in Back to the Future II! talk about your lack of continuity!

ScandalUMD 02-14-07 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=Doughboy]Lethal Weapon was set in 1984 according to the grave of Riggs' wife. Murtaugh has just turned 50.

In Legal Wreckin 2, Vorstedt tells Riggs he was responsible for his wife's death 4 years earlier, yet Murtaugh discusses retiring when he turns 52.

QUOTE]


See, I think there's a certain fallacy in raising this kind of quibble about a movie in which Mel Gibson shoots down a helicopter with a handgun and drags a house off its foundation with a truck.

jeffkjoe 02-14-07 11:38 AM

This is damn nitpicky but here goes:

The timeline in the ROCKY series is all messed up:

ROCKY I and II take place in 1976.
ROCKY III takes place in 1981, as we learn from Mickey's tombstone. But in (Rocky V, we learn that Mickey left the gym to Rocky Jr. in 1982)

ROCKY IV is supposed to take place months after ROCKY III, but Rocky Jr. has accelerated in age.

same with

ROCKY V, where it's supposed to still be 1985 or so, but Rocky Jr. has again aged a couple years. and now looks like Sage Stallone.

tylergfoster 02-14-07 03:22 PM

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say about the Necronomicon in EDII as well -- doesn't show.

I dunno that anyone is really worried about someone ruining the incredible story of the Pink Panther films, but I'll tag it anyway:
Spoiler:
Herbert Lom gets lasered at the end of one of them, I forget which, but he shows up in three successive films in the series...


I don't know what particular continuity error is being discussed with T3, but if it is that it happens at all, that's not relevant. The movie is kind of ABOUT the fact that despite doing everything they can, Judgment Day is inevitable.

UAIOE 02-14-07 04:42 PM

I could probably buy T3 if they had said that Judgment Day was going to happen but without the Terminators. But then it wouldn't have been a Terminator movie.

Do they give any explanation as to why there are still Terminators, or is it all left up to "well they were going to be made anyway"?

Robertwoj 02-14-07 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
Well, he did have Alzheimer's.

-ohbfrank-

Nah.... Everybody knows that prolonged exposure inside a transporter loop seriously degrades the cerebral cortex, affecting one's ability to retain memories that are stored there. He simply lost the memory.

;)

devilshalo 02-14-07 05:20 PM

Miyagi doesn't tell Yukio anything about the death of his wife and son in KK2. Eventhough he makes a seemingly big deal about it in his drunken stupor. Not that this in itself is bad, but seems very odd considering the tone of scene in KK1 and the whole, Yukio waiting for Miyagi to return and not marrying Sato plot in KK2. And she had to have known since she seemed to have been keeping track of Miyagi all these years that she knew where to send the letter about his Father.

devilshalo 02-14-07 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by UAIOE
I could probably buy T3 if they had said that Judgment Day was going to happen but without the Terminators. But then it wouldn't have been a Terminator movie.

Do they give any explanation as to why there are still Terminators, or is it all left up to "well they were going to be made anyway"?

Just because you are able to derail the initial paradox, doesn't mean you can foil the future.

Robertwoj 02-14-07 05:35 PM

This thread reminds me of Misery:

Kathy Bates spouts off about the lack of continuity in Saturday Matinee movie serials: "But he didn't get out of the cock-a-doody car! Do you all have amnesia!!!""

cactusoly 02-14-07 10:27 PM

"You Only Live Twice" Bond and Blofield meet face to face "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" they don't know each other

UAIOE 02-15-07 01:41 AM

"You only Live Twice" and "On her Majesties Secret Service" were filmed in a different order than the books were in.

OHMSS is supposed to be before YOLT.



Originally Posted by devilshalo
Just because you are able to derail the initial paradox, doesn't mean you can foil the future.

Well then I can ignore the movie.

I ignore "Alien vs Predator", Robocop 2+3, and "Alien 3+Resurrection" I sure as hell can keep T3 on the list as well.

devilshalo 02-15-07 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by UAIOE
Well then I can ignore the movie.

Had John Connor ceased to exist at the end of T2, then there would be no Terminators. However, since he is still alive, means Reese must still come back in time to conceive with Sarah. Maybe someone had copies of Dyson's work at Cyberdyne? Maybe they sent someone to retrieve the files from his shot up computer at home? And unless in the course of the loop, Sarah changes or fixes something in the first Terminator (like Cause and Effect from ST:TNG), the result will still be the self awareness of Skynet.

UAIOE 02-15-07 03:02 PM

Perhaps someone had copies of their work from Cyberdyne, maybe someone went and retrieved data from his home computer...we don't know because it seems nobody bothered to explain it in the movie (So i guess from peoples comments).

Like "Alien 3" I don't really care to have to come up with fantastical reasons (story wise) on my own to explain why someone wanted to make more $$ churning out an unneeded sequel...thats the writers job. If they can't do that correctly then why should I waste my time with it?

rennervision 02-15-07 08:56 PM

I'm OK with time travel paradoxes since it's the nature of the genre. I don't really consider them continuity errors.

My big problem with The Terminator is how Reese didn't know what the Terminator looked like. He had to shadow Sarah Conner until the T-100 made a move on her before he knew who it was. That plot point is fine, until the sequels come along.

So Reese didn't notice the line of Terminators standing behind him waiting to follow him into the time machine? They all looked the same, and were reprogrammed to protect John as a boy in T2 and later as an adult in T3.

OK - so maybe there wasn't an actual line in front of the time machine. But it still doesn't make sense. Am I to believe that in the future Reese never encountered another Terminator that looked like Arnold? Then what are the odds that all of the T-100s sent back in time looked the same?

Jay G. 02-15-07 10:41 PM

Re: Evil Dead 2

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by GuruTwo
The Book of the Dead appears NOWHERE in the film post-recap because it was destroyed in the first film and that is the whole reason why additional pages are brought to the cabin.

You may be correct on this. I know that they don't show the book being destroyed in the recap, and I thought I saw the book at a point after where it should've been destroyed, but I may be mistaken on that last part. So I'll concede that point.


As for Ash looking like a moron when he returns to the bridge: it's not the only moment in the trilogy where he looks like a moron.
That's a pretty poor excuse for what the director, producer and star acknowledge is a continuity problem.

cerial442 02-15-07 10:42 PM

The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre series.

Taking "The Beginning" as the first part, the family becomes cannibals because their is nothing else for them to eat. However in the TCM remake, their house is full of pigs and the slaughterhouse (which had different lettering) is full of fresh looking beef and is full of cows.

The Ring Two negates the Samara back story from part 1.

In X-Men 2 you see Hank McCoy in the background of a newscast in human form talking about mutant rights. In X-Men 3 Hank has always had blue fur (he got it from a lab accident in the comics).

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Shredder wore red, but in part 2 after he rose out of the dumpster he was wearing purple.

In Return of the Living Dead you don't become a zombie if you get bitten. Only contact with Trioxin will turn you into a zombie. In parts 2-5 if you get bit you turn into a zombie, and earlier sequels you couldn't kill a zombie by shooting them in the head. You could in parts 4 and 5.

I also hate when in horror films, when one film will say the only way to kill the villain is by a certain object, then in another sequel they will say something completely different can only kill the villain.

Jay G. 02-15-07 10:45 PM

I always thought one of the biggest problems with both Terminator sequels is that in the first film it's established that only things encased in living flesh could travel through time, hence no clothes or weapons, yet in T2 and T3 the villain Terminators aren't encased in living flesh when they travel through time.

rennervision 02-15-07 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by UAIOE
OHMSS is supposed to be before YOLT.


Then how come Blofeld introduces himself to Bond in YOLT?

UAIOE 02-15-07 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by rennervision
Then how come Blofeld introduces himself to Bond in YOLT?

Perhaps it was changed for the movie? I dunno.

It's not like the Bond movies were always 100% accurate to what was written in the books.

I don't recall which book it was (my Uncle read it not me)...either "The Spy who loved me" or "For Your Eyes Only" doesn't even have Bond show up until 2/3rds into the book.

Doughboy 02-16-07 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by cerial442
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Shredder wore red, but in part 2 after he rose out of the dumpster he was wearing purple.

Actually he was still wearing the red when he reemerges. April looked different though.;)

Speaking of TMNT II, it takes place maybe a day or two after the first film, yet April already has a new, fully furnished apartment and the turtles have been ordering pizza from that kid for what seems like weeks.

Meglos 02-16-07 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by UAIOE
"You only Live Twice" and "On her Majesties Secret Service" were filmed in a different order than the books were in.

OHMSS is supposed to be before YOLT.

Bookwise sure, but we're talking movies here. Simply explantion is the most obvious one. Both Blofeld and Bond have had cosmetic surgery done to them. Heck there was even a line cut from the movie acknowledging this.


Re: the Necronomicon being destroyed in one movie and appearing intact in another. It's a mystical object. Anything's possible...er, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures. ;)

GuruTwo 02-16-07 01:12 PM


Re: the Necronomicon being destroyed in one movie and appearing intact in another. It's a mystical object. Anything's possible...er, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
Once again: the Necronomicon only "reappears" within the recap. After that they have to resort to using the additional pages Annie & Ed brought because THE BOOK WAS BURNED IN THE PREVIOUS FILM.


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