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Filmmaker 09-09-06 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
If so, it would be interesting that the last word of Kubrick's epic sagas was the word "fuck."

Raise your hand if you don't count A.I.: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE!

* Dr. DVD raises his hand

;)

Supermallet 09-09-06 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by das Monkey
I either really like or completely love every Kubrick film and each for almost completely different reasons from the others. Aside from both being incredibly well made, <i>2001</i> and <i>Eyes Wide Shut</i> could not be more different, and yet I can't take my eyes off of either. The former continues to amaze me almost 40 years later, as it's one of a handful of films I've seen over 20 times that still reveals new layers of nuance with continued viewing. It takes a truly special filmmaker to produce a body of work that covers so many different styles and different types of brilliance.

das

It's like Martin Scorsese said: "We waited for a Kubrick film. One Kubrick film had more in it than most director's whole filmographies." (paraphrasing)


As for A.I., I am positive the only things Spielberg took from Kubrick were the designs. Everything else is SO goddamned Spielberg, especially that godawful ending (and no, I don't mean the future robots, I mean the very end of the film).

Dr. DVD 09-09-06 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Filmmaker
Raise your hand if you don't count A.I.: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE!

* Dr. DVD raises his hand

;)


I take your ;) as a symbol of sarcasm. People can live in denial all they want about A.I. being a Stanley Kubrick Production of a Steven Spielberg Film. Had that really happened, the movie would still be getting shot as we speak. Kubrick did not have anything to do with the actual production of the A.I. movie, he was pushing up daisies when it was shot. End of story. I realize that the "happy ending" was part of his original scriptment and that was why he wanted Spielberg to tackle directing duties, but I am sure he was going to re-work it. Also, I seem to recall reading that Kubrick always intended for David to be a CGI creation that was an FX achievement for its time, not a boy actor.

Filmmaker 09-09-06 08:35 PM

I was just being cute.

Squirrel God 09-09-06 09:15 PM

I love A.I. and can see both Kubrick and Spielberg in there when I watch it.

Supermallet 09-09-06 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I take your ;) as a symbol of sarcasm. People can live in denial all they want about A.I. being a Stanley Kubrick Production of a Steven Spielberg Film. Had that really happened, the movie would still be getting shot as we speak. Kubrick did not have anything to do with the actual production of the A.I. movie, he was pushing up daisies when it was shot. End of story. I realize that the "happy ending" was part of his original scriptment and that was why he wanted Spielberg to tackle directing duties, but I am sure he was going to re-work it. Also, I seem to recall reading that Kubrick always intended for David to be a CGI creation that was an FX achievement for its time, not a boy actor.

Everything I've heard says the happy ending was NOT part of Kubrick's treatments of the film. Although I do remember one screenwriter who worked on it saying she petitioned for the happy ending.

The only good thing to come out of that movie was the teddy bear, imo.

das Monkey 09-09-06 09:23 PM

Let's not have another <i>A.I.</i> argument in a Kubrick thread. The two don't go together. ;)

das

eedoon 09-10-06 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
As for A.I., I am positive the only things Spielberg took from Kubrick were the designs. Everything else is SO goddamned Spielberg, especially that godawful ending (and no, I don't mean the future robots, I mean the very end of the film).

You mean the end credit is bad? How? ;)



Anyway, about Barry Lyndon, I loved it. It's slow and has dull moments, but at least I still know what's it all about and it's still interesting. The music and its historical background helped a lot, but I think Kubrick's pacing really hit me on this one.

And about Clockwork Orange... I think I disliked it the most among all Kubrick movie I've seen. It's good and I kinda liked the sex scene (ahem) - which is too short anyway, but the whole movie is not that enjoyable for me. Perhaps it's because I'm not 100% understand what they are saying. Oh well. I might give the horrorshow one more viddy but... not soon.

Dr. DVD 09-10-06 12:05 PM

Clockwork Orange was something that I was rather shocked and appalled at the first time I saw it, but with subsequent viewings really came to love. What's interesting is the first time I saw it as a dark sci-fi movie, now I actually see it as more of a really dark comedy. I don't know why, but some parts of that movie really make me laugh, and these are twisted things as well.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to re-watch Barry Lyndon? I'm all for giving it a second go!

Nick Danger 09-10-06 02:13 PM

2001 is one of my favorite movies, but it suffers terribly on a small screen. In a theater, the images are majestic, and carry the movie. On home video, the images are merely nice special effects and the movie never gets out of second gear.

I'm curious whether the movie works as well on 100+ inch video projection, or if it truly needs to be on film.

Supermallet 09-10-06 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Clockwork Orange was something that I was rather shocked and appalled at the first time I saw it, but with subsequent viewings really came to love. What's interesting is the first time I saw it as a dark sci-fi movie, now I actually see it as more of a really dark comedy. I don't know why, but some parts of that movie really make me laugh, and these are twisted things as well.

The movie is, in almost every way, a satire. Every performance is so over the top I don't know how anyone could take it seriously. Ironically, art imitated life in England and after the film premiered a wave of violence from street gangs hit London, so the British government banned the film for over 20 years.


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Can anyone give me some advice on how to re-watch Barry Lyndon? I'm all for giving it a second go!

As I mentioned above, the film has quite a bit of humor in it. It's not as overt as A Clockwork Orange, but it's definitely there. It's an epic film about a simpleton. The man is so dumb that he never takes control of his own life, and when he does, it ends in tragedy. While the end is definitely a downer, most of the movie is pretty funny. If you watch it without thinking of Barry as an object of pity, and more of an object of ridicule, it changes the whole film.

jonjj7 09-10-06 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
If you watch it without thinking of Barry as an object of pity, and more of an object of ridicule, it changes the whole film.

I don't know. I end up feeling bad for Barry even though he is pretty much an ass to everyone (except perhaps his son) and causes almost all of his own problems. Having said that, yes, it is a pretty funny movie in parts though.

Supermallet 09-10-06 07:05 PM

As I said, the ending is pretty tragic, but for the most of the film, I think he's being laughed at.


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