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Old 11-23-06, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Ivana Milicevic and Eva Green
I thought Caterina Murino was hotter than Ivana (who had more of a coke-up look to her in the film).
Old 11-23-06, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
I thought Caterina Murino was hotter than Ivana (who had more of a coke-up look to her in the film).
Yeah she's gorgeous too. I love Ivana's exotic looks.
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enoughed very moment of this movie (minus the two cell phones and the foot tapper behind me). the free style running scene in the beginning was great too!

would definitely go see this again! (not to mention, the good looking bond girls! )
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Thought it was the best Bond movie yet, from an adult perspective. OHMSS and the Connerys that I grew up with will always be my favorites but this just blows them away.

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Precredits-wish it had been longer. Loved the dripping blood in the gun barrel sequence. Reminded me of a Hammer vampire movie.
Theme song- saw the video other day and seemed like just another Bond song but combined with the credit animation was much better and really not that bad. Great to hear the JBT on the end credits.
Plot-didn't find anything unneccessarily complicated about it. The love story between first and final climax did drag but the coda was the best yet.
Mr. White-YES! The evil organization that is really behind the villian is back! Cross our fingers and hope this is played out further in the next film.
Humor- seem like just the right balance. Pretty funny when Bond is mistaken for a valet.
Action- Still over the top, but not funny. There was a seriousness/danger to it that was exciting but not brought down to the level of a looney tunes like some have been in the past. I did think the collapsing building scene went a little to far. How about when the guy threw his empty gun at Bond and Bond caught it and threw it back hitting him in the head. Awesome!
Gadjets-good riddance. Always seemed as just a vehicle for comic relief.
Bond/Craig- I thought Craig handled the role fine. The issue is really how the character is portrayed and other actors could have done the job adequately also. This is new teritory. Previously when a new actor took over the role he was judged/compared to the previous actor. This time we have a new actor and a new character. Craig is originating a new Bond character that is so different from previous Bonds, that I at least, cannot compare/judge him in context with the others. I've never seen this character before and since Craig is the first to play him will have to wait for Craig's replacement to make comparisons. It would be like comparing Capt. Kirk and Capt. Picard.
Long story short- IT ROCKED!!


One thing I found annoying is that in the during the b/w sequence where I saw it there was some kind of yellow tinting flickering.

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Old 11-24-06, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Ivana Milicevic
Ivana's casting actually slightly annoyed me. Why is it that whenever Hollywood needs to cast the role of "exotic-looking female", they can't help but get the same woman over and over again?

Nothing against her though. She's pretty. And she didn't bother me in the film. It wasn't even a large part. But this is friggin' Bond! You'd think they could look a little harder and find someone a little fresher.
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I loved it. Daniel Craig won me over. The emotional depth was very nice. The villain was appropriately creepy, vile and a little sexy too.
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Originally Posted by JayDerek
exactly!!

If we had all of those things again....it'd just be another Bond film and wouldn't be as good. I LOVED the film because it didn't have the above cliches....
I liked how it made fun of clichés with humour and nods to previous series, the "Does it look like I give a damn!" line after Bond is asked whether his martini is shaken or stirred, the Aston Martin and lots of other scenes. Some of the dialogue was actually very funny I loved the film, though I'm not familliar with the books but want to read them now.

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Old 11-25-06, 05:00 AM
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Does the fact that I was the only one in my theater to have a vocal reaction to Michael G. Wilson's latest cameo make me a huge nerd?
Old 11-25-06, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rizor
Ivana's casting actually slightly annoyed me. Why is it that whenever Hollywood needs to cast the role of "exotic-looking female", they can't help but get the same woman over and over again?

Nothing against her though. She's pretty. And she didn't bother me in the film. It wasn't even a large part. But this is friggin' Bond! You'd think they could look a little harder and find someone a little fresher.

Huh? What are you talking about? I didn't realize she was being used so much....
Old 11-25-06, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dpz301
(minus the two cell phones and the foot tapper behind me).

hah! that's nothing. i dropped my large diet coke when i saw this.

There were maybe 15 perhaps 20 people in my early show and I went to get a sip after a very funny scene and the whole top came off and the drink hit the ground. there was a loud crash then a loud waterfall sound with ice thumping to make it even louder and more embarrasing. i actually heard the girl a few seats down gasp when it hit the ground.

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Old 11-25-06, 07:32 AM
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Saw this last night!

I'm still digesting it. I'm not sure of my opinion however I will say this is a better Bond than most and I like the direction of the series.

Some random thoughts:

I clearly see how the Jason Bourne films influenced this film. Much more espionage than other Bond films and so much more physical harkening back to the Connery days!

I did like Bond's "mis-steps" along the way

The Poker game went on too long!

Loved the fact there were no gadgets

Could have used a bit more personality from all the characters

Not sure how I feel about Craig in the role?

Hated the Opening Credits and the theme song!!

Found David Arnold's score a bit lacking.
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I noticed how there were no women in the opening credits but I loved the overall feel of it - the credits felt like this Bond about getting the bad guy and not bedding girls (?) and I liked the song, the way the blood ran down the screen was cool
Craig's Bond is just starting to get an idea of real love in the film.
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I think CR is the best Bond since OHMSS, and it's the 1st Bond to stick to the Fleming book closest since OHMSS. I noticed they had Bond be more thuggish and a rough-around-the-edges "blunt instrument", and you definitely saw the psycho aspect of him. You can tell it's intended and a perfect setup for the next one to add the classy blend to him (which we all know) to smooth out and become the "precise instrument" that is inevitable and which M truly wants. I'm greatly expecting Bond 22!!
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So, I guess I'm a bit uncultured when it comes to James Bond. My introduction as a teen was Goldeneye (via the videogame of course), and I ended up loving the movie because of that. I've seen a handful of the great old Bonds, as well as a couple of the awful ones. And I really started to despise the franchise in the last 3 films.

But wow, Casino Royale. I'm hooked on Bond.

First off, the movie was well-written, and except for some cheesy love-story moments, damn near perfect. The stunts and action sequences were breathtaking, and the Daniel Craig Bond, while still new, can easily catapult himself into the top Bonds with this fresh performance. My friend and I noted that he's a far cry from the "snobby upper-class" Pierce Brosnan Bond, and it makes him a lot more believable and interesting.

A few have compared CR to the Bourne movies, and I agree. While I like the Bourne movies, this in many ways surpasses them. Bravo to the writing and directing staff. Also, I'm sure the Flemming story had something to do with it.

Also in terms of the plot,
Spoiler:
The twist with Vesper near the end completely blindsided me... well done.


My two complaints:
Spoiler:

1) At first, Le Chiffre says to SELL the stock in the jet company. This would mean he would literally cash out with the money then. Later M says that he's SHORTING the stock, which is an option and very different than Selling. It was a bit of wording mistake, but was confusing enough that I had to think about it for a minute during the film.

2) They didn't use the supporting characters names enough. I thought the CIA agent's name was Mathis and he was a turncoat and was confused when the arrested the real Mathis. All and all, I only knew about 4 characters names at the end of the movie


5/5 Stars.

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Old 11-26-06, 01:39 AM
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The CIA agent was Felix Leiter, come on now.
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And Le Chiffre says to "short sell" it. Then, if I recall, there was some awkward dialogue so the audience members who didn't know what that meant would understand the plot -- much like Mathis's annoying commentary to Vesper during the poker game.

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Originally Posted by das Monkey
And Le Chiffre says to "short sell" it. Then, if I recall, there was some awkward dialogue so the audience members who didn't know what that meant would understand the plot -- much like Mathis's annoying commentary to Vesper during the poker game.

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Ah I must have missed that.
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I was discussing the stock things at work actually. I'm still not 100% how the chain of events works, but I believe it works something like LaCheiff does not own the stock, he borrows it at x amount and agrees to pay back the same x shares. In turn, knowing he will cause the stock to go down, he buys once it lowers so in essence he has bought that many shares at a lower prices and pays back the shares. Pockets the difference between x shares at old price and x shares at post event price.
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Originally Posted by Superman07
I was discussing the stock things at work actually. I'm still not 100% how the chain of events works, but I believe it works something like LaCheiff does not own the stock, he borrows it at x amount and agrees to pay back the same x shares. In turn, knowing he will cause the stock to go down, he buys once it lowers so in essence he has bought that many shares at a lower prices and pays back the shares. Pockets the difference between x shares at old price and x shares at post event price.
Oh I understand shorting a stock, my Dad trades options, but during the first conversation I thought he said just to sell the stock outright, I didn't realize he was shorting until M was discussing how he makes all his money shorting the stocks.
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So did I explain it correctly?
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Originally Posted by Superman07
So did I explain it correctly?
Ya, you're pretty close, here's the Wikipedia entry:

In finance, a short position in a security, such as a stock or a Bond, or equivalently to be short a security, means the holder of the position has sold a security that he does not own, with the intention to buy it back at a later time at a lower price.

Similarly, a short position in a futures contract, or to be short a futures contract, means the holder of the position has the obligation to sell the underlying asset at a later date. Therefore, a short position makes a profit when the value of the underlying asset goes down.
You generally have so many days (it defers depending on the option) to buy the stock after you've sold it (so if you short 1000 shares at $100, you want to buy it at like $90 later so you've made a profit) but if the stock goes back up in price, you have to buy it by the option experation date (so if goes up to $200 and you still haven't bought it... you've now lost a ton of money).

It gets a whole lot more complex because people sell these options at a price, so you have to pay an upfront amount to some else (who's essentially lending you the stock or whatever). It can be just as profitable for these option makers.

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Anybody else get a kick out of the line, "next time I'll shoot out the camera"? It seemed like a nod to the Bond video games to me.
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Huh? What are you talking about? I didn't realize she was being used so much....
Maybe it's just the shows and movies I watch. She's like the female Daniel Dae Kim. She's in everything. And she always seems to play some exotic woman or sexy model.
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I saw it last night. While it had its flaws (the end was a little too long, there were some oddly-paced moments), this is the James Bond movie I've been waiting for my entire life. Even though I was a fan of the Bond movies as a kid, I always found many of the movie conventions to be cheesy and I always longed for an actor who really captured the essence of the Fleming Bond. Dalton came close, but for some reason, I had a hard time completely warming up to him (he and Connery are my favorites of the pre-Casino Royale era). But Daniel Craig was just perfect--I got a sense that his Bond is, at his core, a tough guy who wears the dinner jackets and sophistication as a disguise, which is how I always wanted to see the character portrayed.

Also, I always wanted to see the gun-barrel shot done this way, where we actually see the guy that Bond is shooting. Awesome stuff.

Eva Green was breathtaking as Vesper--loved the dialogue between her and Bond in the train car. There was a kind of period quality to that scene that I really enjoyed, and which I hope the series keeps, though I think a lot of that comes from Fleming. Can you imagine a character named "Vesper Lynd" in any other current movie? Even the title "Casino Royale" has a certain cool retro quality.

Did anyone else catch Richard Branson's cameo at the airport?
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Originally Posted by rw2516
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How about when the guy threw his empty gun at Bond and Bond caught it and threw it back hitting him in the head. Awesome!
Fuck Yeah!!!

The more I think about this flick (and realize just how much cool shit was in it) the more I love it. This was so spot on for me. I want cruel and vicious when it comes to this character, and that should flavor the humor as well.


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