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This was killer. It was literally James Bond Begins. (Admittedly, unlike Batman Begins, there are actually some good Bond pictures in the past.) I loved the introduction to the character. Especially his line when he earns his second "O". Craig was awesome. Le Chiffre was awesome. M was awesome. The parkour guy was awesome!!! That chase was so great.
And I really don't see (as has been asserted) how that chase was unrealistic in any way. The most ridiculous parts were real. The only false aspect is that I doubt the actors would take chances like that for a paycheck. There was probably more OSHA related stuff going on that didn't appear on camera. But the thought that anyone would take those chances was hair raising! Great scene.
And I can't believe the sparse complaints about the lack of naked dancing girls in the title sequence. That sequence was one of my favorites I've seen yet. It was a little reminiscent of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and I was diggin' it until the falling guy turns the crosshair into a roulette table and then I was just thinking, "Oh! Now this just rocks."
I loved all the nods to the old series.
Le Chiffre was just so understated. The tear gimmick was not overused at all and very effective. The fate of Dimitrios . The defibrillator. The stairwell fight. I was the only guy in the theater that laughed when
Too much good stuff. This is probably the first Bond film I will own on DVD. (Hey. I love most of the others, but I just don't watch them often enough to own.)
My only real complaint (and it's kinda nitpicking, but gun mistakes in movies make me wince):
And that Spiderman 3 trailer was cooool.
Spoiler:
And I can't believe the sparse complaints about the lack of naked dancing girls in the title sequence. That sequence was one of my favorites I've seen yet. It was a little reminiscent of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and I was diggin' it until the falling guy turns the crosshair into a roulette table and then I was just thinking, "Oh! Now this just rocks."
I loved all the nods to the old series.
Spoiler:
Le Chiffre was just so understated. The tear gimmick was not overused at all and very effective. The fate of Dimitrios . The defibrillator. The stairwell fight. I was the only guy in the theater that laughed when
Spoiler:
Too much good stuff. This is probably the first Bond film I will own on DVD. (Hey. I love most of the others, but I just don't watch them often enough to own.)
My only real complaint (and it's kinda nitpicking, but gun mistakes in movies make me wince):
Spoiler:
And that Spiderman 3 trailer was cooool.
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Originally Posted by Kudama
This was killer. It was literally James Bond Begins. (Admittedly, unlike Batman Begins, there are actually some good Bond pictures in the past.) I loved the introduction to the character. Especially his line when he earns his second "O". Craig was awesome. Le Chiffre was awesome. M was awesome. The parkour guy was awesome!!! That chase was so great.
And I really don't see (as has been asserted) how that chase was unrealistic in any way. The most ridiculous parts were real. The only false aspect is that I doubt the actors would take chances like that for a paycheck. There was probably more OSHA related stuff going on that didn't appear on camera. But the thought that anyone would take those chances was hair raising! Great scene.
And I can't believe the sparse complaints about the lack of naked dancing girls in the title sequence. That sequence was one of my favorites I've seen yet. It was a little reminiscent of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and I was diggin' it until the falling guy turns the crosshair into a roulette table and then I was just thinking, "Oh! Now this just rocks."
I loved all the nods to the old series.
Le Chiffre was just so understated. The tear gimmick was not overused at all and very effective. The fate of Dimitrios . The defibrillator. The stairwell fight. I was the only guy in the theater that laughed when
Too much good stuff. This is probably the first Bond film I will own on DVD. (Hey. I love most of the others, but I just don't watch them often enough to own.)
My only real complaint (and it's kinda nitpicking, but gun mistakes in movies make me wince):
And that Spiderman 3 trailer was cooool.
Spoiler:
And I can't believe the sparse complaints about the lack of naked dancing girls in the title sequence. That sequence was one of my favorites I've seen yet. It was a little reminiscent of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and I was diggin' it until the falling guy turns the crosshair into a roulette table and then I was just thinking, "Oh! Now this just rocks."
I loved all the nods to the old series.
Spoiler:
Le Chiffre was just so understated. The tear gimmick was not overused at all and very effective. The fate of Dimitrios . The defibrillator. The stairwell fight. I was the only guy in the theater that laughed when
Spoiler:
Too much good stuff. This is probably the first Bond film I will own on DVD. (Hey. I love most of the others, but I just don't watch them often enough to own.)
My only real complaint (and it's kinda nitpicking, but gun mistakes in movies make me wince):
Spoiler:
And that Spiderman 3 trailer was cooool.
Spoiler:
#128
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I wanted so badly to like this movie, after reading all the glowing reviews and positive feedback, but I really had a lot of problems with it, though mainly with the script. I really liked Daniel Craig as Bond and all of the other characters were well done, but the story just didn't click for me.
I guess I'll spoilerize since everyone else is.
I guess I'll spoilerize since everyone else is.
Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by FinkPish
I wanted so badly to like this movie, after reading all the glowing reviews and positive feedback, but I really had a lot of problems with it, though mainly with the script. I really liked Daniel Craig as Bond and all of the other characters were well done, but the story just didn't click for me.
I guess I'll spoilerize since everyone else is.
I guess I'll spoilerize since everyone else is.
Spoiler:
I'd also say that Bond did play the man. In the beginning he learn's Le Chiffre's tell and attempts to use that to bankrupt him. But it turns out someone told Le Chiffre that Bond figured him out, and Le Chiffre uses that to his advantage. And by the last hand, Bond had nothing that could beat him, so there was no need to play the other man.
As for Mr. White, the foreshadow seems to be he's a connection to a SMERSH/SPECTRE criminal organization. The Fleming novels (of which Casino Royale was the first) and the early Bond films used this frequently. Then there were rights issues which is partly why it was dropped in the films. Le Chiffre had connections to the criminal world, which is the intel MI-6/CIA wanted. Once Le Chiffre was killed, they had no leads on the info until Bond connects with Mr. White. The idea being White is part of some larger criminal syndicate, which may be used in the future 007 films.
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Originally Posted by Jericho
Le Chiffre lost a lot of bad people's money and was desperate to get it back. The point of the poker game wasn't so much to take Le Chiffre's remaining amount of money, but also to prevent him from winning the whole pot. Without his poker out, Le Chiffre had no other way to get the money back, forcing him to work with either the British or the Americans in exchange for protection (or get killed). Whether Mi-6 of the CIA were in the game "funding" Le Chiffre is irrevelant. If they weren't in the game, some else would take their seats (In fact, it is stated Bond replaced someone else in the film).
I'd also say that Bond did play the man. In the beginning he learn's Le Chiffre's tell and attempts to use that to bankrupt him. But it turns out someone told Le Chiffre that Bond figured him out, and Le Chiffre uses that to his advantage. And by the last hand, Bond had nothing that could beat him, so there was no need to play the other man.
As for Mr. White, the foreshadow seems to be he's a connection to a SMERSH/SPECTRE criminal organization. The Fleming novels (of which Casino Royale was the first) and the early Bond films used this frequently. Then there were rights issues which is partly why it was dropped in the films. Le Chiffre had connections to the criminal world, which is the intel MI-6/CIA wanted. Once Le Chiffre was killed, they had no leads on the info until Bond connects with Mr. White. The idea being White is part of some larger criminal syndicate, which may be used in the future 007 films.
I'd also say that Bond did play the man. In the beginning he learn's Le Chiffre's tell and attempts to use that to bankrupt him. But it turns out someone told Le Chiffre that Bond figured him out, and Le Chiffre uses that to his advantage. And by the last hand, Bond had nothing that could beat him, so there was no need to play the other man.
As for Mr. White, the foreshadow seems to be he's a connection to a SMERSH/SPECTRE criminal organization. The Fleming novels (of which Casino Royale was the first) and the early Bond films used this frequently. Then there were rights issues which is partly why it was dropped in the films. Le Chiffre had connections to the criminal world, which is the intel MI-6/CIA wanted. Once Le Chiffre was killed, they had no leads on the info until Bond connects with Mr. White. The idea being White is part of some larger criminal syndicate, which may be used in the future 007 films.
#132
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After the glowing reviews from both critics and fans, I finally got to see CASINO ROYALE last night, and was pretty disappointed with it. I'd only give it a C+ or a B-.
The pros: Craig is a good actor; the stunts/action pieces are well-designed and storyboarded (although each sequence is a bit too long); and I enjoyed the fact that Bond made a lot of mistakes and we got to see how he develops into a OO Agent.
The cons: In an attempt to make this a "serious" Bond movie, the creators have taken all the joy out of the character and the franchise. It's an obvious attempt to go after the Jason Bourne crowd, but Bond is NOT Bourne...he should have at least some spark of life to him. Craig's Bond seems like he's on anti-depressants throughout the picture. That, added to a nearly incomprehensible plot, no gadgets, no evil henchman, no Q, no Moneypenny (other than a throw-away line to Vesper)...I'm sorry, this ISN'T James Bond...it's an okay action flick, but it's NOT Bond. At least not the Bond movie goers love to watch.
I'd be interested to hear if there are any Dalton haters out there who love Craig as Bond, because Craig is simply Dalton minus a sense of humor/wit/bravado. Heck, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and LICENCE TO KILL look downright cartoonish compared to CASINO ROYALE.
I appriciate the attempt to make Bond darker, but I think they went TOO far taking the character the other way...hopefully Craig will be allowed to loosen up a bit when James Bond returns...
The pros: Craig is a good actor; the stunts/action pieces are well-designed and storyboarded (although each sequence is a bit too long); and I enjoyed the fact that Bond made a lot of mistakes and we got to see how he develops into a OO Agent.
The cons: In an attempt to make this a "serious" Bond movie, the creators have taken all the joy out of the character and the franchise. It's an obvious attempt to go after the Jason Bourne crowd, but Bond is NOT Bourne...he should have at least some spark of life to him. Craig's Bond seems like he's on anti-depressants throughout the picture. That, added to a nearly incomprehensible plot, no gadgets, no evil henchman, no Q, no Moneypenny (other than a throw-away line to Vesper)...I'm sorry, this ISN'T James Bond...it's an okay action flick, but it's NOT Bond. At least not the Bond movie goers love to watch.
I'd be interested to hear if there are any Dalton haters out there who love Craig as Bond, because Craig is simply Dalton minus a sense of humor/wit/bravado. Heck, THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and LICENCE TO KILL look downright cartoonish compared to CASINO ROYALE.
I appriciate the attempt to make Bond darker, but I think they went TOO far taking the character the other way...hopefully Craig will be allowed to loosen up a bit when James Bond returns...
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
I appriciate the attempt to make Bond darker, but I think they went TOO far taking the character the other way...hopefully Craig will be allowed to loosen up a bit when James Bond returns...
I would like a little more humor too, but it's too easy for these producers to swing it so far in the other direction that you get an overblown, campy film; so much so that I'd much rather have the film with less humor than too much.
Plus, if you are a complete James Bond fan (the books as well as the films), then you'd see this film actually isn't too much of a departure from the books. In fact, it closely mirrored the plot and mood of the book Casino Royale. On the other hand, if you're only a fan of the films, then I'd understand a dislike for this film.
I also like the simple plot being presented convolutedly - it's not being dialled in for those who prefer the obvious straight-forward line of presentation of most of the earlier Bond films and requires you to pay a little closer attention... IMO.
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#134
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Yeah, I thought the film balanced the necessary goofiness and one liners perfectly with the seriousness of the action. And while the similarities to Bourne is there now, I still think the movie very much conveyed Bond.
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
That, added to a nearly incomprehensible plot, no gadgets, no evil henchman, no Q, no Moneypenny (other than a throw-away line to Vesper)...I'm sorry, this ISN'T James Bond...it's an okay action flick, but it's NOT Bond. At least not the Bond movie goers love to watch.
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Originally Posted by Paul_SD
Yes, where are the cliches?! We want the cliches! After 20 movies we need the comfortable familiarity of all the same old, same old.
If we had all of those things again....it'd just be another Bond film and wouldn't be as good. I LOVED the film because it didn't have the above cliches....
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I have to agree. I really liked this movie.
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Nice to see it's beating the penguins in the long run right now. I hope it gets good word of mouth from its audiences. While I think it is safe to assume they will retain Craig for another film, I fear that if this one doesn't deliver the kind of numbers they want, they will try to bring the "bling" back to Bond and turn him back into the wise-cracking/CGI surfing dude he was the last time out.
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Originally Posted by Paul_SD
Yes, where are the cliches?! We want the cliches! After 20 movies we need the comfortable familiarity of all the same old, same old.
Don't misunderstand my post...it's a good action movie, but as a BOND movie, it's sadly lacking. I can't imagine the producers will be able to stick to this darker vision of Bond for more than one or two more films...I'm betting (hoping) we go back to "classic" Bond before Craig resigns his 00 status - because he IS a good actor (he's just not given much to do in this film).
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I loved the Bond that can actually kick some ass. That's been missing from the movies for so many years.
And I LOVED that there were no stupid gadgets.
Only thing I didn't like was the romance stuff. It suddenly felt like a completely different movie....and made the movie kind of just fizzle out instead of ending properly.
And I LOVED that there were no stupid gadgets.
Only thing I didn't like was the romance stuff. It suddenly felt like a completely different movie....and made the movie kind of just fizzle out instead of ending properly.
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
(he's just not given much to do in this film).
Anybody know what Felix's line to his wife was in LTK? Was it
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However, I need some questions answered, or perhaps just opinions:
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Originally Posted by Superman07
So did we miss something? Something yet to come? I doubt. Chalk it up to bad continuity?
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Originally Posted by Rizor
Leiter was referring to Bond's marriage in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service".
I was surprised how much material from the book they kept in the movie. Not since On Her Majesty's Secret Service have they been as faithful to the source material, in my opinion. Of course, the last time they used one of Fleming's titles was in 1987.
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I thought it was pretty good. It was a nice change of pace from past few Bond flicks which were fun to watch, but got progressively more unbelievable and incomprehensible as the latter Brosnan flicks showed.
The action sequences were for the most part, amazing and over-the-top (but not in a Bond surfing over a melting icecap sort-of way). Bond was just frakking brutal in this movie (even a little sadistic at the end).
Eva Green is a hot Bond girl, and the villains were pretty good, if a little confusing (though it was probably intentional).
All in all, hooray for a "realistic" Bond and I look forward to Bond 22, which I hope will try to bring some of classic Bond conventions back but in a more interesting manner.
The action sequences were for the most part, amazing and over-the-top (but not in a Bond surfing over a melting icecap sort-of way). Bond was just frakking brutal in this movie (even a little sadistic at the end).
Eva Green is a hot Bond girl, and the villains were pretty good, if a little confusing (though it was probably intentional).
All in all, hooray for a "realistic" Bond and I look forward to Bond 22, which I hope will try to bring some of classic Bond conventions back but in a more interesting manner.
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Ivana Milicevic and Eva Green
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Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
Anybody else shed a small tear when the Aston Martin DBS died? Man, that is a beautiful car...
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