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Mr.Briggs 05-15-09 06:46 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9443464)
Ebert dug it. It's currently on RT @ 54% which is more than double the score Da Vinci got (24%), apparently the filmmaking isn't nearly as bad this time around.

It's down to 38% at RT.

Daytripper 05-15-09 08:11 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
Didn't read the book, so I can't compare. But the film was o.k. Yeah, just as "talky" as the first. And yes, it felt twice as long. But I wasn't bored. At best I can say don't pay more than a matinee price or wait to rent. Hanks and Howard elevate this above crap like the "National Treasure" films. Nice cinematography and great score. So I'd give this a 7/10.

Geofferson 05-15-09 09:50 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
Caught this today and agree that it's better than Da Vinci (not saying much). I like what Howard did with the source material and what he decided to change. Overall, I felt it was quite entertaining.

Patman 05-16-09 01:01 AM

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I found this somewhat long film to be short on characterization, and exhausting on clue-driven plot points. Robert Langdon is summoned by the Vatican to help investigate the return of the Illuminati (men of science who opposed the church's teaching in the past centuries) as the current pope has passed away, and the church convenes to select a new pope, all the while the Illuminati threatens to detonate an antimatter bomb at the stroke of midnight with plenty of Cardinal clue fodder for Langdon and Vittoria (a nice looking physicist played by Ayeletl Zurer) to find the bomb in time, else thousands of people who have gathered in Vatican City due to the election of a new pope will perish in a bomb blast.

I found the pacing of the film weird given the time constraints of the film's plot, plus Langdon and Vittoria's reactions to dastardly doings by the bad guy was shockingly subdued, like it was old hat for such an academic and applied physicist. Let's just say they sure did roll with the punches with aplomb, much to my disbelief. The script is pretty poor, and we even get somewhat of a Scooby-Doo ending (reminiscent of the one in Minority Report).

I give it 2 stars, or a grade of C.

TheMovieman 05-16-09 02:45 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Patman (Post 9447635)
The script is pretty poor, and we even get somewhat of a Scooby-Doo ending (reminiscent of the one in Minority Report).

Spoiler:
I don't know which Scooby-Doo cartoons you were watching, but I sure don't remember anyone setting themselves on fire!



;) j/k. I know what you mean



Generally I agree. I'd probably give this a C+ only for Tom Hanks, but this was a film that after it was over just thought, "Who cares?", plus I will probably forget all about it by the time Terminator: Salvation comes next week (if not sooner).

Tsar Chasm 05-16-09 10:46 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
I thought this movie insulted the intelligence of the audience.
First off, the coolest part of the book was completely skipped.
Spoiler:
No scramjet to get Langdon to Europe in an hour

Secondly
Spoiler:
The Caribineri are bad asses in real life, they treat them like Keystone Kops in the movie

And finally,
Spoiler:
While I know they had to cater to an American audience but come on with all the clues being in English, at least make it 17th century English. One of the cardinals reminded me of Cletus from The Simpsons.


At least the previews for the summer films were cool.

Josh-da-man 05-16-09 10:14 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by TheMovieman (Post 9447697)
Spoiler:
I don't know which Scooby-Doo cartoons you were watching, but I sure don't remember anyone setting themselves on fire!



;) j/k. I know what you mean

Spoiler:
You never saw the one where Shaggy's bong exploded and set him on fire? He shouted "Zoinks!" and went running into the ocean, where he found himself face-to-face with a sea monster.

MBoyd 05-16-09 10:31 PM

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I kept thinking of scooby-doo as well. I was bored with the whole thing. Never read the book or saw the other film. Anyway, it kept the wife entertained this afternoon and I didn't have to see Ghosts Of Girlfriends Past which was her other choice!

JimRochester 05-16-09 11:50 PM

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This only got a 4/10 from the local reviewer so I didn't hold out much hope. I give it pretty fair marks. Not a great movie but not as bad as many are finding it. But then I liked National Treasure. The clue driven plot intrigues me. For me it was a C+ or B-

Supermallet 05-17-09 12:30 AM

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My problem is the clues were so lazy. Most of it was statues pointing to the next location. It was like the antiquities version of road signs.

TheMovieman 05-17-09 01:22 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 9448807)
Spoiler:
You never saw the one where Shaggy's bong exploded and set him on fire? He shouted "Zoinks!" and went running into the ocean, where he found himself face-to-face with a sea monster.

Spoiler:
Yep, must have missed that one... :p

Breakfast with Girls 05-17-09 10:04 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Patman (Post 9447635)
Robert Langdon is summoned by the Vatican to help investigate the return of the Illuminati (men of science who opposed the church's teaching in the past centuries) as the current pope has passed away, and the church convenes to select a new pope, all the while the Illuminati threatens to detonate an antimatter bomb at the stroke of midnight with plenty of Cardinal clue fodder for Langdon and Vittoria (a nice looking physicist played by Ayeletl Zurer) to find the bomb in time, else thousands of people who have gathered in Vatican City due to the election of a new pope will perish in a bomb blast.

Antimatter bomb :lol:

Yeah, there's no way that I'm seeing this.

Shannon Nutt 05-17-09 10:57 AM

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This was a bad (although not boring) movie. I too, thought THE DA VINCI CODE was a better film.

My biggest problem was with Hanks' character. His only job in the movie seems to be to provide the audience with exposition about what we're seeing on screen. There's virtually zero character development for Langdon in the film.

Then we get this crazy race across Rome where Hanks/Langdon is playing "beat the clock" every hour - and the audience just knows he's going to get there late every hour, except, of course, for the last hour.
Spoiler:
Okay, to be fair, he DID save one of the Cardinals...but you get my point.


The movie is paced better than DA VINCI CODE, but it's easily the lesser of the two films. It's not something I have any desire to watch again.

JimRochester 05-17-09 02:36 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 9449315)
This was a bad (although not boring) movie. I too, thought THE DA VINCI CODE was a better film.

My biggest problem was with Hanks' character. His only job in the movie seems to be to provide the audience with exposition about what we're seeing on screen. There's virtually zero character development for Langdon in the film.

Then we get this crazy race across Rome where Hanks/Langdon is playing "beat the clock" every hour - and the audience just knows he's going to get there late every hour, except, of course, for the last hour.
Spoiler:
Okay, to be fair, he DID save one of the Cardinals...but you get my point.


The movie is paced better than DA VINCI CODE, but it's easily the lesser of the two films. It's not something I have any desire to watch again.

I agree, there was more development in Davinci. Just a quick blurb about him being an atheisitic author. In Davinci he was the pursued so it makes sense he the pursuer in this one.

I'll at least rent it when it comes out.

RUSF18 05-17-09 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 9448943)
My problem is the clues were so lazy. Most of it was statues pointing to the next location. It was like the antiquities version of road signs.

This is where you really saw the difference in the book and movie. There was a lot of time spent in figuring out the locations in the book, not as simple as "oh, I know...I'll find the location in the Vatican's listing of assets."

RichC2 05-17-09 04:52 PM

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This movie was just annoying. I haven't read the books and never saw Da Vinci but the "Find the clues!" plot structure only works when the individual checkpoints are actually interesting, in this case they were not. That said, I thought McGregor did a pretty decent job in his role and most other roles were played well.

Everything was overexplained (stuff that frankly didn't need to be said) and it often felt like a really basic humanities lesson -- but you know, they tried to spice it up. Voyage of the Mimi: Vatican City. Oh and the explanations offered near the end of the movie were just idiotic.

Supermallet 05-17-09 11:59 PM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Terps54423 (Post 9449763)
This is where you really saw the difference in the book and movie. There was a lot of time spent in figuring out the locations in the book, not as simple as "oh, I know...I'll find the location in the Vatican's listing of assets."

Actually, I thought that
Spoiler:
the mad dash to get out of the vault when the power shut off
was the best sequence in the film.

Josh-da-man 05-18-09 04:52 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 9449315)
My biggest problem was with Hanks' character. His only job in the movie seems to be to provide the audience with exposition about what we're seeing on screen. There's virtually zero character development for Langdon in the film.


There's zero character development in the books.

Robert Langdon is basically a Mary Sue. He's a brilliant, handsome, athletic academic who spends his down time solving globe-spanning mysteries and bedding hot European women.

Giles 05-18-09 09:22 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by Tsar Chasm (Post 9447942)
I thought this movie insulted the intelligence of the audience.
First off, the coolest part of the book was completely skipped.
Spoiler:
No scramjet to get Langdon to Europe in an hour

Secondly
Spoiler:
The Caribineri are bad asses in real life, they treat them like Keystone Kops in the movie

And finally,
Spoiler:
While I know they had to cater to an American audience but come on with all the clues being in English, at least make it 17th century English. One of the cardinals reminded me of Cletus from The Simpsons.


At least the previews for the summer films were cool.

Spoiler:
in the movie, they couldn't shoot for shit either


I couldn't stand the overuse of the music score - ugh... !!!

Quack 05-24-09 07:39 AM

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I was throughly disappointed with this film, with just having re-read the book this past week...I can't believe they didn't have Kohler or Vittoria's father in the movie either. Also the first scene in the book is awesome and they totally didn't show anything from that. I feel like the movie started about 300 pages into the book too. Just plain awful.

Goldberg74 05-26-09 12:30 AM

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I finished reading the book last night and treated myself to the film today.

I want that 140 minutes back.

Horrible, horrible, horrible.

My 10 beefs with the film...

Spoiler:
1. No Kohler.
2. No Father Vetra.
3. The Hassassin was a left-over bus rider from Traitor not the morally-twisted-deviant we came to hate. (... and he never kidnapped Vittoria.)
4. They changed the Illuminati Diamond into the Papal Symbol? WTH?
5. The death scenes in CSI are harsher than these were.
6. They saved the last Cardinal... and he becomes Pope?!
7. They totally ditched the Pope:Carmelengo::Father:Son thing that was the true motivation for <strike>Carlo's</strike> Kevin's actions.
8. The vault scenes weren't nearly intense enough.
9. They ditched the BBC reporters.
10. Mickey Mouse was relegated to a cameo... okay I'm stretching on that one.


... all in all, I'm glad that:

1. I read the book before seeing the movie.

2. That I bought a great movie in The DaVinci Code and got a free ticket to see a stupid movie in Angels & Demons.

Goldberg74 05-26-09 12:44 AM

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I guess I can sum up all my thoughts about the film in this analogy:

Ron Howard took all of the pages in the book, lined them up and then skipped a rock along them... whatever pages the rock hit, he used. When skipping a rock, the first few skips are very far apart... thus the exclusion of a good portion of the beginning of the book... and the last skips are close together... meaning a few of the later details are missed.

RichC2 05-26-09 07:27 AM

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To his credit, I actually thought Ron Howard's direction was fine in this. That said, the screenplay by David Koepp and Akiva Goldsman was pretty much garbage.

Goldberg74 05-26-09 07:53 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9465866)
To his credit, I actually thought Ron Howard's direction was fine in this. That said, the screenplay by David Koepp and Akiva Goldsman was pretty much garbage.

I can agree with this.

Patman 05-26-09 08:19 AM

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I really need to stop seeing films that Akiva Goldsman had a hand in the screenplay because he is a bad writer. I don't know what happened to Koepp, though.

mdc3000 05-26-09 08:29 AM

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Akiva Goldsman is pretty terrible, however his work on FRINGE has been surprisingly good and he produced Deep Blue Sea, I Am Legend & Constantine - three guilty pleasures, so he's not ALL bad ;)

FuQ 05-26-09 10:30 AM

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I saw it this weekend and it was boring. I am going to start the book tonight. They just seem to run and then stop and talk for 20 minutes explaining everything.

Tommy_Harn 05-26-09 11:14 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
This wasn't as bad as I feared after browsing this thread. The novel's third act was a complete joke, simply bouncing from plot twist to plot twist. If I remember correctly,
Spoiler:
Langdon actually jumped out of helicopter without a parachute. . . and lived
in the book. I was glad to see Howard and Co. knew better than to go that route.

A&D was entertaining enough, but surely nothing to write home about. It was about what I expected after seeing the film adaptation of the DaVinci Code.

James Lafleur 05-26-09 11:16 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
Finally saw it yesterday. Never have I squirmed around in my chair so much out of boredom. Mainly I saw it because David Koepp is one of my favorite Hollywood screenwriters, and I had heard how the book was far superior to The DaVinci Code.

I'd give it a 5/10. All the acting was great, especially Ewan. And the direction was fantastic, but sooooo talky. It became so repetitive by the end of the movie. I never felt any suspense, and I guessed every twist long before they occurred.

So overall the reason I went to see the movie(the writing) is the reason I didn't like the movie. I'll put the blame on Akiva Goldsman since everyone else seems to be, haha.

I actually thought as a film, The DaVinci Code was better at 6/10.

movieking 05-30-09 08:46 PM

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I agree that there was too much key material that was left out from the book, but given the runtime of well over 2 hours, I know some things had to be cut. I found it hard to stay awake for the whole movie.


Originally Posted by Goldberg74 (Post 9465717)

My 10 beefs with the film...

Spoiler:
1. No Kohler.
2. No Father Vetra.
3. The Hassassin was a left-over bus rider from Traitor not the morally-twisted-deviant we came to hate. (... and he never kidnapped Vittoria.)
4. They changed the Illuminati Diamond into the Papal Symbol? WTH?
5. The death scenes in CSI are harsher than these were.
6. They saved the last Cardinal... and he becomes Pope?!
7. They totally ditched the Pope:Carmelengo::Father:Son thing that was the true motivation for <strike>Carlo's</strike> Kevin's actions.
8. The vault scenes weren't nearly intense enough.
9. They ditched the BBC reporters.
10. Mickey Mouse was relegated to a cameo... okay I'm stretching on that one.


I agree with pretty much all of your complaints



Originally Posted by Tommy_Harn (Post 9466209)
This wasn't as bad as I feared after browsing this thread. The novel's third act was a complete joke, simply bouncing from plot twist to plot twist. If I remember correctly,
Spoiler:
Langdon actually jumped out of helicopter without a parachute. . . and lived
in the book. I was glad to see Howard and Co. knew better than to go that route.

The book really falls apart at the end, and your spoilered point is by far the most ludicrous thing in the book.

devilshalo 05-31-09 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Variety
As of May 26, Sony's "Angels" had cumed $208.9 million in foreign box office -- making it the top international grosser of 2009, zooming past "Fast and Furious" and "Monsters vs. Aliens" -- after less than two weeks in theaters.

The second frame of "Angels and Demons" managed to remain ruler of the international box office with $58.4 million at 10,610 playdates in 99 markets during the May 22-24 weekend. That handily topped the $49 million overseas opening for "Night at the Museum: The Battle of the Smithsonian" at 8,100 in 93 territories.

And most notably, the foreign gross for "Angels" is more than double the domestic total, which had hit $89.7 million as of May 26 -- making it the 10th largest domestic grosser of 2009.

With that kind of solid foreign traction and no other adult dramas competing in June, Sony's religious thriller should be able to power past $300 million by the end of its run. It's on its way to becoming part of a small and eclectic grouping of films that have taken in well over 70% of their worldwide gross outside the United States.

That's not really a big surprise, since "The Da Vinci Code" -- the Dan Brown novel-based predecessor to "Angels and Demons," which also starred Tom Hanks -- is part of that same club, with international box office accounting for more than 71%, or $540 million, of its worldwide gross of $758 million.

I should point out that with Sony as the international distributor for Terminator: Salvation, they decided NOT to open it against A&D. Wise move, eh? ;) This gives A&D some good legs as well as another hit overseas when they do open T:S.

B.A. 06-21-09 09:33 PM

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I liked it better than The Da Vinci Code, but still thought it was a bit mediocre.

The pacing was better.

Some of the omissions from the book were good, others not so much.

**1/2 out of five.

fumanstan 07-18-09 09:18 AM

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I finally saw this last night at the dollar theater (ok, well its now the $2 theater :p) and was let down. I disliked the changes from the book and the omission of the Kohler character, not to mention the removal of Vittoria's father being the victim at the start of the book and her overall role in the entire movie. DaVinci Code was definitely the better movie, as it seemed to set up the suspense and tense moments far better then this one, which is strange since in the books I felt Angels & Demons was far better in that regard.

Superman07 08-31-19 08:38 AM

Re: Angels & Demons (pre-Da Vinci Code)
 
10 years late, but finally watched this. No clue it was this old (or DVC was even older). Pretty sure I had 0 expectations so was pretty pleased. I did not read the book, so I didn’t have a reference.

I was suspect of the priest even after the helicopter sequence. At first I thought it was tragic since his ‘sacrifice’ was in line with his story about the Italian military. Except after he survived, there was plot dangling since Howard had telegraphed the key Langdon picked up.

Also, was he trying to cover up killing the Pope, or was the Pope legitimately poisoned by somebody else?

I also think it would have been interesting if the mercenary (?) had stayed alive. Mysterious but honorable (to a degree) person gets away to encounter another day.

I may watch the third film at some point, but not rushing too. Apparently the 4th that was leftover from ~2007 is being turned into a prequel tv series. :shrug:

E Unit 08-31-19 09:18 AM

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A&D is my favorite, mostly because he captured the feel of running around in Rome, and shows all the great places in the city. The story as usual is silly, but the actors elevate it to something pseudo-serious.

And Inferno is a sillier mess, just like the book. The book is the first in the series that feels like you’re reading a screenplay, rather than a fleshed out novel. Which sucks because Florence is my favorite city in the world.

And I’m not excited for the series, especially since The Lost Symbol plays out like the movie National Treasure.


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