Word on 'Da Vinci Code' ? Not good.
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
For those saying the religious stuff wasn't directly causing bad reviews.
"I'll say it: It is anti-Jesus and anti-Catholic. Unintentionally though, it is a recruiting film for Opus Dei. Where do I sign up?"
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...=1&rid=1507583
It's certainly not the reason for bad reviews across the board, but I'm sure it's having more of an impact than many are admitting, and many reviewers are probably scoring it lower for such reasons and not being so foolishly overt about it in their reviews.
"I'll say it: It is anti-Jesus and anti-Catholic. Unintentionally though, it is a recruiting film for Opus Dei. Where do I sign up?"
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/...=1&rid=1507583
It's certainly not the reason for bad reviews across the board, but I'm sure it's having more of an impact than many are admitting, and many reviewers are probably scoring it lower for such reasons and not being so foolishly overt about it in their reviews.
Here's an excerpt:
Ron Howard's "The Da Vinci Code" is a limp version of the Chase-the-Mystery blockbuster novel. I knew it would suck. Howard doesn't have the nasty grit or wit to delve into the world of religious skullduggery.
And screenwriter Akiva Goldsman? He's the go-to guy for cleaning up any story for box office numbers. He could sanitize Hitler.
And screenwriter Akiva Goldsman? He's the go-to guy for cleaning up any story for box office numbers. He could sanitize Hitler.
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Originally Posted by sethsez
It wouldn't get made because Islam simply isn't a part of our everyday lives. It isn't the predominant force behind most of society's actions here, so it would have little relevance and would come off as a meaningless attack. Likewise, you don't get movies in Japan about the evils of Christianity, but films about throwing off the shackles of tradition and questioning whether the gods of Shinto even exist are a dime a dozen (and wouldn't you know it, when they come out over here the common complaint is that they assume knowledge of Japanese history, traditions and religious practices, which clearly isn't an issue for anyone living in Japan).
Basically, if largely Islamic nations were free to make such films, I'm sure you'd see them being made there. You don't see them from non-Islamic nations because they would serve no purpose and wouldn't connect with the audience in any meaningful way. The audience doesn't believe in it (thus there's not much to question) and doesn't know enough about it to establish any sort of meaningful thought process. This is why you won't see an "Islam is false" movie in America.
Basically, if largely Islamic nations were free to make such films, I'm sure you'd see them being made there. You don't see them from non-Islamic nations because they would serve no purpose and wouldn't connect with the audience in any meaningful way. The audience doesn't believe in it (thus there's not much to question) and doesn't know enough about it to establish any sort of meaningful thought process. This is why you won't see an "Islam is false" movie in America.
But you are free to ignore an obvious double standard.
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Originally Posted by exm
It's really a guess, but I would say it makes around $25m opening weekend. So many people I speak with that are regulars in the movies are skipping this one.
13th Highest Opening Weekend Ever
4th Highest Non-Sequel Opening Weekend
7th Highest May Opening Weekend
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Originally Posted by Peep
X-Men 3 will probably open big but it has "stinker" written all over it. Word of mouth will kill it by week 2. I think DVC will hold out for a while and fans of the book may come back for seconds (and bring more of their friends).
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There are 3 reviews up on rotten tomatoes (not including E & R) that are positive so maybe there is some hope for this one. Again, this is the type of movie that may be really good with average reviews by the critics so let's hold out some hope.
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Originally Posted by Desslok
The numbers are in and The Da Vinci Code made $77 million this weekend.
13th Highest Opening Weekend Ever
4th Highest Non-Sequel Opening Weekend
7th Highest May Opening Weekend
13th Highest Opening Weekend Ever
4th Highest Non-Sequel Opening Weekend
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Don't forget it made like $145 overseas opening weekend. Safe to say with the rest of its run in theatres and with DVD sales, this movie will be a massive success. I don't think anyone was worried about that (most popular book ever + Hanks + Ron Howard). Whoever green lit this project went to business school.
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Caught it this afternoon and really enjoyed it. I loved the book and though Howard did a very good job with the adapatation. All the performances were solid, especially Bettany as Silas. Not sure why it's gotten panned critically.
4/5 for me. I'll pick up the DVD.
4/5 for me. I'll pick up the DVD.
Also, I have been in the "Tom Hanks has been miscast" camp ever since I heard he had gotten the part. He made me eat my words within ten minutes.
Strangely, I didn't care much for McKellen as Teabing. Don't get me wrong, he was splendid and did everything right. I just did not have anything like him pictured in my mind from reading the book in the way of his physical characteristics. I would have preferred to have seen Ian Holm in the role because he does fit my picture and he would have done just as splendid a job.
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Originally Posted by Legolas
Is this the same reasoning you apply to why Comedy Central allows South Park to have Jesus taking a crap on the American flag, but refuses to show a two second depiction of Mohammed doing nothing offensive so as not to offend any Muslims? I guess they were afraid that heads would literally roll.
But you are free to ignore an obvious double standard.
But you are free to ignore an obvious double standard.
Quit being such a victim, especially over a dumb airport thriller.
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Saw this today and was underwhelmed. My biggest gripe (besides it being 30 minutes too long) was with the leads - especially Hanks. No charisma and no chemistry.
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I so wanted to like this movie but unfortunately, I didn't.
I'm a huge fan of the book and was really excited to watch the movie, but damn. I too thought Tom Hanks was miscast when I first heard that he was going to be Langdon a couple years ago. But I thought it might be good that he could put people in the seats. Well, I guess he put people in the seats (and to be fair, it wasn't all because of him), but he was absolutely fricking horrible! I cannot believe how atrocious his acting was in this movie. I usually like Tom Hanks movies too.
I was disappointed that they left out a bunch of stuff from the movie and/or changed some things. To me, it seemed like the movie editor assumed you had already read the book and therefore conveniently left out some things. I couldn't help but wonder if my friends that I saw the movie with were scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on (cause they didn't read the book).
I did think that everybody other than Tom Hanks did a fairly admirable job, given the crappiness of the script.
I think people who didn't read the book will probably like the movie more than those who did.
5/10...and that may be slightly generous.
I'm a huge fan of the book and was really excited to watch the movie, but damn. I too thought Tom Hanks was miscast when I first heard that he was going to be Langdon a couple years ago. But I thought it might be good that he could put people in the seats. Well, I guess he put people in the seats (and to be fair, it wasn't all because of him), but he was absolutely fricking horrible! I cannot believe how atrocious his acting was in this movie. I usually like Tom Hanks movies too.
I was disappointed that they left out a bunch of stuff from the movie and/or changed some things. To me, it seemed like the movie editor assumed you had already read the book and therefore conveniently left out some things. I couldn't help but wonder if my friends that I saw the movie with were scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on (cause they didn't read the book).
I did think that everybody other than Tom Hanks did a fairly admirable job, given the crappiness of the script.
I think people who didn't read the book will probably like the movie more than those who did.
5/10...and that may be slightly generous.
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Originally Posted by Geofferson
Saw this today and was underwhelmed. My biggest gripe (besides it being 30 minutes too long) was with the leads - especially Hanks. No charisma and no chemistry.
Saw it today and that pretty much sums up my feelings, as well.
In addition, the forced "character development" was atrocious.
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I couldn't place my finger on Hanks here. I don't know if he was miscast or if he was trying his best with a script that seemed to be forced. I thought Ian McKellen was fantastic though. I didn't read the book, but I enjoyed it, but didn't love it. The stuff that needed to go was the albino monk's backstory, I don't think it was necessary.
Grade: B-
Grade: B-
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I think Hanks did a good job with what he had to work with. Overall a great movie, but not near as good as the book. 77 million on opening weekend will surely help pay the bills for the production company.
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
Xmen has stinker written all over it by who? The fanboys on the boards here? Ebert and Roeper gave it thumbs up and there are not many reviews of it out yet so who knows.DVC will do well and people will go see it but I dont see adults going back to see it again and again and teens, I doubt, have very little interest in it.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'll let you know tomorrow (if I can get out of work in time).
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I work in a bookstore...
where just about everyone goes to the movies the first weekend. About five or six people were talking about the film over the weekend. It's the first time I can remember EVERYONE saying the film sucked. Largely it was based on the opinon that there was too much talking and that it didn't follow the book at all. I haven't seen the film, but I've read the book. A couple of them that saw it agreed it perhaps followed the book about 20%. My question is why in the hell make a film on a book millions have read and not follow the storyline?
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Originally Posted by Linn1
where just about everyone goes to the movies the first weekend. About five or six people were talking about the film over the weekend. It's the first time I can remember EVERYONE saying the film sucked. Largely it was based on the opinon that there was too much talking and that it didn't follow the book at all. I haven't seen the film, but I've read the book. A couple of them that saw it agreed it perhaps followed the book about 20%. My question is why in the hell make a film on a book millions have read and not follow the storyline?
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$224 Million dollars in one weekend. Wowsers. Even if Sony had a conservative share in that opening weekend, with 25% going to the theaters, that's immense. It has to have covered recoupement and marketing... nothing but profit from here on out.
And Akiva Goldsman will get to keep writing films.
And Akiva Goldsman will get to keep writing films.
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I have hated Akiva Goldsmans writing 'talent' for a while now. He just isnt good. But a good director cleans up his crap enough that it looks like he knows what he's doing. This was a good film, but the writing wasn't that great. And most of that came from the book. But Akiva gets to add it to his resume, "Look, I wrote a HUGE hit". It really really irks me that this guy keeps getting jobs. It's like the guy at work who sucks at his job but is friends with the boss so he keeps getting promoted while everyone else has to cover for him. Thats Akiva Goldsman's career.
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Originally Posted by sethsez
No way. If anything it sticks too closely to the book.
I don't know what people are thinking that they say it didn't follow the book. It was VERY close to the book.
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Originally Posted by Desslok
Okay, if some likes or doesn't like the movie is a matter of personal taste. But to claim it doesn't follow the book is just plain wrong. While it condenses and trims some material, for the most part it follows the book very closely, in some places word for word.
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Without those elements, the film becomes "Da Vinci Code" LITE (tm), expurgated, watered down, de-balled and bowdlerized for Midwestern American sensibilities. Please note that any mention of Da Vinci's private life and motivations have also been eliminated so as not to mix up the public with "the gay thing". I suppose it would be too much to ask that the DVD contain an alternate ending for more mature audiences that actually makes sense and follows the book's story...
The initial positive reviews (what few there were) also talked about the film having a lot of "atmosphere", which unfortunately turned out to be that the film looks at all times like it was shot through a mud-splattered funeral veil and the film score will depress you into a coma.
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holy gazookas....... this movie was even sold out on sunday
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Originally Posted by Linn1
where just about everyone goes to the movies the first weekend. About five or six people were talking about the film over the weekend. It's the first time I can remember EVERYONE saying the film sucked. Largely it was based on the opinon that there was too much talking and that it didn't follow the book at all. I haven't seen the film, but I've read the book. A couple of them that saw it agreed it perhaps followed the book about 20%. My question is why in the hell make a film on a book millions have read and not follow the storyline?
Yes, as baracine points out, one or two very important elements were changed, for better or worse. That could be for any number of reasons, but it isn't unusual that filmmakers choose to change an ending, for example, to give a new twist to the story (and I agree that the ending didn't work as well as the book). Those changes do not represent an 80% departure from Brown's novel.
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Originally Posted by immortal_zeus
I couldn't help but wonder if my friends that I saw the movie with were scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on (cause they didn't read the book).