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Mr. Cinema 05-18-06 11:31 AM

Most of my local theaters have this playing on 4 screens, so it'll be readily available around here. Many of the first showings are starting at 11:30 am as well.

Tarantino 05-18-06 12:20 PM

baracine...<b>t</b>he same pers<b>o</b>n who showed his <b>m</b>ug in the Hi<b>s</b>tory Of Violence <b>m</b>ovie thread going n<b>u</b>ts about g<b>l</b>orifying vio<b>l</b>ence...give me a break.

As for DaVinci Cod<b>e</b>...I wasn't planning on seeing i<b>t</b> in theaters...you don't need a <i>code</i> to figure out why it sucks...

= J

Giles 05-18-06 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Tarantino
baracine...<b>t</b>he same pers<b>o</b>n who showed his <b>m</b>ug in the Hi<b>s</b>tory Of Violence <b>m</b>ovie thread going n<b>u</b>ts about g<b>l</b>orifying vio<b>l</b>ence...give me a break.

As for DaVinci Cod<b>e</b>...I wasn't planning on seeing i<b>t</b> in theaters...you don't need a <i>code</i> to figure out why it sucks...

= J

clever... :eyebrow:

tdilia 05-18-06 12:32 PM

I enjoyed the book, so I will see the movie despite what critics say. Most critics wouldn't know a good movie if it came up and bit them in the ass. Besides the reveiws are coming from Cannes, what do they know. I am not going to trust an opinion from the same people who raved about Fahrenheit 9/11, and what a great movie it was.

ScandalUMD 05-18-06 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by baracine
Hmmm... Reminds me of Roger Ebert's review. He hated the book (he hates most books) but he liked the movie because it reminded him of a well-crafted graphic novel (a.k.a. comic book), which he can relate to...

P.S.: Ian McKellen is also reprising the voice of the wizard Zebedee in "Dougal" out on DVD this week. (He did that voice in the British version as well.)

I don't really think it's fair to attribute Ebert's preference for the movie over the book to anti-intellectualism. Dan Brown writes horrible prose, and the way he describes things is often so clumsy and absurd that it tears you out of a narrative that already taxes the human capacity to suspend disbelief.

grip 05-18-06 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by baracine
http://www.dougquick.com/nbc_SNL_radner.jpg
Never mind.

William Arnold's and Roger Ebert's reviews put things in a very different perspective: It would appear that the film is not as dumbed-down as it could have been and that it does have a lot of atmosphere. Hell, I've even heard of pundits who think the music is not suitable for children... This probably means I will want to see it eventually, if only on DVD.


I think you mean to have Emily Litella saying "Nevermind".

http://members.shaw.ca/public.trash/...ly_Litella.jpg

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread....already in progress.

MoviePage 05-18-06 04:19 PM

Thought the book was completely predictable and very poorly written. Entirely unexcited about the movie, but will see it this weekend for 3 reasons:

1. Ian McKellen is never anything less than awesome.
2. The scenery.
3. The hope that a gigantic opening weekend will send the protesters a message.

Peep 05-18-06 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by baracine
Roger Ebert is on the record for saying that "A Beautiful Mind" is a great film despite the fact that it's a pack of lies which obscures the hero's homosexuality and medical condition, changes his marriage history and dumbs down the historical record in general. It's safe to say that he's on the payroll for this one as well...:D

How does affect the quality of the film? I went to ABM expecting a good film - not an historically accurate one.

baracine 05-18-06 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by grip
I think you mean to have Emily Litella saying "Nevermind".

http://members.shaw.ca/public.trash/...ly_Litella.jpg

Thanks, grip. I couldn't find that mugshot. And I was thinking of Rosanne Rossana-Dana. [Obnoxious note here: The "Emily Latella" spelling is immensely more popular on Google.]

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It just dawned on me that there is another factor that might play against DVC's box office, which I would call the "hypophobia" factor, which is the reaction of disgust, mostly from people who haven't read the book and have no intention of reading it, to the hype surrounding the DVC phenomenon.

I have three brothers, two of which read the book like myself. The older brother read it as an amusing thriller and has no intention of seeing the film. The second brother read it because he was curious about all the hype and feels nothing but pity for the poor fools who really believe the facts behing the premise since some of those facts have been disproved. He will not see the film. My third brother never reads fiction and really gets pissed off at any mention of the book by friends and acquaintances. He considers any remote interest in the subject a sure sign of mental retardation and will not see the film. I read the book because I had been researching the story, off and on, for twenty years and I was really intrigued by its treatment as a successful thriller. I was iffy about seeing the film but I will probably give in because it promises to be "atmospheric", which is very rare in American films these days.

But I notice a kind of "Is that all there is?" reaction in Canadian critics who haven't read the book to the premise of the story. They seem to think that after all the hype and hysteria, the film should cure cancer, or at least remove warts...

baracine 05-19-06 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Peep
How does affect the quality of the film? I went to ABM expecting a good film - not an historically accurate one.

Fair enough, but since the film was presented as the factual biography of John Nash, a living individual who won the 1994 Nobel Prize for Mathematics, when it was in fact more fanciful than any MGM musical biopic, it should at least have come with a disclaimer - or a written apology.

baracine 05-19-06 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
Dan Brown writes horrible prose, and the way he describes things is often so clumsy and absurd that it tears you out of a narrative that already taxes the human capacity to suspend disbelief.


Originally Posted by MoviePage
Thought the book was completely predictable and very poorly written.
If you define fiction as a narrative that has the ability to sustain attention, then Dan Brown's book is a work of genius, which the film may or may not be (the jury is still out).

SonOfAStu 05-19-06 08:18 AM

Well, I saw this last night at a sneak preview in Pittsburgh (won tickets on the radio - WooHoo!). I read the book last weekend, which was probably a mistake. Everything was too fresh in my mind so I was being the typical "book snob" and pointing out every last thing that was changed. My buddy I went with, on the other hand, read the book a couple of years ago and he said he didn't think they could have followed it any closer.

Some changes I noticed (not all):

Spoiler:

Langdon isn't contacted at the beginning in his hotel room. He's at a book signing after his speech which really throws the whole timeline off (for me) about how the story starts

The discovery of the key at Madonna of the Rocks is a joke in the movie. Like many have speculated, the anagram solving in the movie is way too convenient (not that it isn't in the book as well, but the movie makes it even worse). There was no confrontation with the guard, and the key just kind of falls out of the wall.

The "car chase scene" from the blocked off embassy to the train station is just ridiculous.

The story of why Sohpie and her grandfather weren't speaking was barely glanced over and focused mainly on a "scolding incident" from her early teen years that didnt' exist in the book. Not to mention, when they DID show the PoS having their ritual mating ceremony, Sophie just happened to walk up to a window in a building and peered in. :lol:

I may be wrong about this, but I don't remember Captian Fache being in Opus Dei in the book. He certainly is in the movie and they mention it way too much.

Only one cryptex in the movie. The riddle about the knight A. Pope interred is on the bottom of the inlaid rose.

This one was bad... Langdon and Sophie never make it to the library in the movie to study the riddle. On the way there (on a bus) they decide they don't have time to make it so Sophie convinces a random student to let Langdon use his cell phone (yes, a cell phone) to do his research. You have GOT to be kidding me.

The end of the movie at Rosslyn Chapel was completely changed from the book. In the movie, they find the previous resting place of MM's sarcophagus in a secret room in the chapel where there still remains all the documents detailing the lineage of Christ and also newspapers about the car accident that killed Sophie's family, including her brother, who never makes an apperacnce in the movie. Langdon also concludes that Saulnier wasn't Sophie's grandfather, just the grand master of the PoS that took it upon himself to raise and protect Christ's only living descendent. The whole Priory shows up at the chapel to welcome Sophie, even though I was under the impression that only the four senechaux were allowed to know the identity of the heir.


I definitely agree with a lot of the critics on this one. It was pretty much a stinker. The only bright spot for me was McKellan, and not even his whole performance was good. He provided a good deal of comic relief though that I don't remember from the book.

I'd give it 2 stars. It's worth seeing if you enjoyed the book, but not worth paying theatre prices for. If you didn't read the book, good luck keeping up.

raven56706 05-19-06 09:08 AM

ouch... only 18% in rottentomatoes..... looks like we have the stinker of the season.... even Poseidon had 28% in rottentomatoes....

Looks like XMEN and Superman now have the chance to take the glory this year...

Mr. Cinema 05-19-06 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by raven56706
ouch... only 18% in rottentomatoes..... looks like we have the stinker of the season.... even Poseidon had 28% in rottentomatoes....

Looks like XMEN and Superman now have the chance to take the glory this year...

Don't forget Pirates 2.

raven56706 05-19-06 09:40 AM

oh yeah... and pirates 2...Not sure if World Trade Center will be big.... Feel bad for Tom and Ron.....

baracine 05-19-06 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by SonOfAStu
Spoiler:
This one was bad... Langdon and Sophie never make it to the library in the movie to study the riddle. On the way there (on a bus) they decide they don't have time to make it so Sophie convinces a random student to let Langdon use his cell phone (yes, a cell phone) to do his research. You have GOT to be kidding me.

Spoiler:
This one couldn't be helped, besides the fact that it saves precious film minutes. This King's College Religious Studies Library exists in London but doesn't have 1/10th the modern electronic research equipment described in the book and the administrators complained bitterly to the author about having become Google Central for every Holy Grail fanatic on the planet following the publication of the book. So it was better left out entirely... pending its removal from the book. The Pope-knight-Apple riddle, furthermore, could easily have been solved by such an erudite man as Langdon without the use of a 2 billion dollar computer. Lord Teabing must have discreetly rolled his eyes at that one... And the bus -double-decker, no doubt - is an improvement on the book since Temple Chapel and King's College are too close to each other to justify a subway ride.



Spoiler:
I may be wrong about this, but I don't remember Captain Fache being in Opus Dei in the book. He certainly is in the movie and they mention it way too much.

Spoiler:
You're right. Fache is not proven to be a member of Opus Dei, just a profoundly Catholic man who is heavily prejudiced in favour of the Church and Church members in general during his investigation. This little added detail makes him the near-villain which he appears to be in most of the book... Why assume that the public will make a difference between a devout Catholic and a member of a sinister right-wing group?


By the way, for future reference, here's everything anyone needs to know about the book, including more spoilers than you can fit in a standard Hollywood trailer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code and a list of everything Dan Brown got wrong : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici..._Da_Vinci_Code

Link_182 05-19-06 11:46 AM

I knew this was gonna be mauled by the critics. Too much hype. Just like the book. When it came out, everyone was saying what a good book it was. When it really started to get the hype, there was so much complaining. I can't make an astute evaluation until I see it later tonight but I doubt it's as bad as their saying.

JayDerek 05-19-06 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Link_182
I knew this was gonna be mauled by the critics. Too much hype. Just like the book. When it came out, everyone was saying what a good book it was. When it really started to get the hype, there was so much complaining. I can't make an astute evaluation until I see it later tonight but I doubt it's as bad as their saying.

I agree.

With all the hype the book got...people started to backlash. Same with this movie.

It just would be nice to get a review that's not biased by someone's religion

~Jason

Artman 05-19-06 12:38 PM

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Stu 17 05-19-06 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by JayDerek
It just would be nice to get a review that's not biased by someone's religion

~Jason

100+ reviews on rotten tomatoes and ALL of them are biased by the writers religion?

JaxComet 05-19-06 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I picked DaVinci Code to be the highest grossing for this season, but looks like it may not have legs to do that, but it will have a huge opening.


I think you're overestimating this one a bit. Who's the market? It definitely doesn't have wide appeal unless your a big Tom Hanks fan..........

baracine 05-19-06 01:04 PM

NEWS FLASH!!! The www.rottentomatoes.com/m/da_vinci_code/ site has just crashed under the weight of all those tomatoes!!!

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The Antipodean 05-19-06 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by JaxComet
I think you're overestimating this one a bit. Who's the market? It definitely doesn't have wide appeal unless your a big Tom Hanks fan..........

You are kidding, right? 40 million copies of the book sold. That's the market. Whether it's a good movie or sucks, it'll definitely have at least $50 million opening weekend. Long term, who knows, but the movie certainly has a wide appeal.

baracine 05-19-06 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
You are kidding, right? 40 million copies of the book sold. That's the market. Whether it's a good movie or sucks, it'll definitely have at least $50 million opening weekend. Long term, who knows, but the movie certainly has a wide appeal.

Not to mention the huge, untapped market for mullet merchandising...
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JaxComet 05-19-06 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
You are kidding, right? 40 million copies of the book sold. That's the market. Whether it's a good movie or sucks, it'll definitely have at least $50 million opening weekend. Long term, who knows, but the movie certainly has a wide appeal.


Many book readers hate movie adaptations.. They also lose most of the teen to early 20's group as many won't even know the hell this flick is all about. Granted it will have a big opening week due to Hanks but I'd expect it to fall hard and fast. The reviews thus far have been brutal..........

The opening of Over the Hedge (good or bad) will steal some of TDC's take as well.........

grim_tales 05-19-06 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by marty888
Same here. It appears that some of the negativity has more to do with the basic concept, rather than the realization on film. Since the imaginative (some would say outlandish) plotting didn't seem to hinder the book sales .....

I'm reading the book right now and enjoying it so I hope to catch the film too :) However the reviews I've read so far in England have been pretty crap too.
I've seen Paul Bettany on posters and in clips - doesnt he look a bit like Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith? :D

sabre 05-19-06 02:17 PM

Rate it a 6.5 or B-

It's a treasure hunt picture along the lines of National Treasure with religous overtones.(Though I liked National Treasure and it's fun energy more than Da Vinci Code film) I read the book 2 years ago and the movie is very much faithful to the book except for some details(needlessly changed). I'm not sure but the movie lacked a certain sense of energy or emergency, a certain vitality. It was a workman like movie but not great. It was not a page turner like the novel It was good but.... felt slightly self important.
Maybe because I read the novel and knew the story and outcome the movie lost some of it's effect. Good, not as good a movie or as fun as MI3 or Poseidon. Runs a little long at 2:29, Howard could have chopped 10-15 minutes from the story.

FinkPish 05-19-06 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by sabre
...religish overtones...

What kind of overtones?

I'm going to see this later today, and I can say for certain that my expectations are definitely lowered. At this point, I'm more curious to see what is so bad about it rather than being excited to see what they did right.

PopcornTreeCt 05-19-06 02:57 PM

I'm not going to see this. This movie isn't getting bad reviews because of being religious/anti-religious, hype, or because it's not as good as the book. It's getting bad reviews because it sucks. Frankly, I'm tired of these big overblown Hollywood productions.

devilshalo 05-19-06 02:58 PM

I never read the book and I'm wondering why it's getting really bad press. I think it's a better film than that. Yes, the acting is a bit flat, but the plot is overtly serious in nature. Everyone is supposed to be brooding. From the nature and tone of the story, I expected this kind of flat acting. What, would it be more in tone if Will Smith was cast in the lead and does his usual, "OH HELL NO", when he comes across a dead body or something?

I enjoyed it but I didn't find anything bad about it, yet at the same time I didn't find it spectacular. It was good, plot cliches aside.

Mr. Cinema 05-19-06 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
You are kidding, right? 40 million copies of the book sold. That's the market. Whether it's a good movie or sucks, it'll definitely have at least $50 million opening weekend. Long term, who knows, but the movie certainly has a wide appeal.

You saved me some typing. And I'll throw in the "Hanks is still a big movie star" addition.

Mr. Cinema 05-19-06 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by JaxComet
Many book readers hate movie adaptations.. They also lose most of the teen to early 20's group as many won't even know the hell this flick is all about. Granted it will have a big opening week due to Hanks but I'd expect it to fall hard and fast. The reviews thus far have been brutal..........

The opening of Over the Hedge (good or bad) will steal some of TDC's take as well.........

I don't think Over the Hedge is going to steal any of DaVini Code's audience though, unless 6 year olds are interested in a religious thriller.

hapgilmore 05-19-06 03:31 PM

HAHAHAHAAHAH i bet NOBODY thought this would get worse reviews than Get Rich or Die Tryin' but alas! Go 50!!!

OldBoy 05-19-06 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by sabre
religish overtones


Originally Posted by FinkPish
What kind of overtones?

i think he meant:
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c...m%2Frelish.bmp overtones :rimshot:

Brent L 05-19-06 04:28 PM

Here is a quick video review:

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baracine 05-19-06 05:07 PM

The guys who will really have it tough this weekend are the albino mullets, also known as mullbinos... already a misunderstood minority, now terminally undecided about seeing "The Da Vinci Code"...

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exm 05-19-06 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
You are kidding, right? 40 million copies of the book sold. That's the market. Whether it's a good movie or sucks, it'll definitely have at least $50 million opening weekend. Long term, who knows, but the movie certainly has a wide appeal.

It's really a guess, but I would say it makes around $25m opening weekend. So many people I speak with that are regulars in the movies are skipping this one.

mdc3000 05-19-06 06:04 PM

Well I was certainly disappointed. I wasn't letting the negative reviews disuade me from seeing this, because I thought the book was a fast paced fun piece of pop fiction and was hoping for the same thrilling, fun
Spoiler:
grail quest
of a movie...but somehow, in sticking TOO CLOSELY to the book, they managed to make a movie that isn't nearly as fun, thrilling or interesting as IT thinks it is.

I think had they condensed some things, streamlined events and exposition and beefed up the action a bit (or at least better mine the action out of the few scenes in the film) it could have been a great 100min thrill ride. But instead, they chose to be slavishly true and lost all the "essence" of what made the book great in the first place.

It's tough to see Tom Hanks and Audrey both turn in ridgid, stiff and dull performances, but somehow, Howard manages to turn both leads into the cinematic equivalent of carrots dangling on a string, leading the audience along on a ride that seems to think the destination is more important than the journey. I'm sure anyone who hated the book is going to LOATHE the movie. I thought Paul Bettany was pretty good (although, I know 2 albinos, and they got the eyes wrong) and Ian McKellan was the films saving grace.

I think if the film had been in the hands of another creative team, we could have had something really special. Howard is in his element with stuff like "Cinderella Man" but like "The Missing" action/thrillers are not his fortay - both Missing and DaVinci are great eye candy, but they manage to take excellent ideas and dilute them with overlong running times, stiff acting and lackluster pacing.

The first real bitter disappointment of the summer for me. Hopefully X3 next week will put things back on track.

MATT

p.s. I find it funny how critics/audiences all called "National Treasure" the lite version of DaVinci Code...and now that both films are here, "National Treasure" ended up being the one that ACTUALLY delivered.

Mr. Cinema 05-19-06 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by exm
It's really a guess, but I would say it makes around $25m opening weekend. So many people I speak with that are regulars in the movies are skipping this one.

I'm thinking it makes close to that today.

chrisih8u 05-19-06 06:20 PM

I never read the book and I enjoyed the movie. I cant believe so many people hate it. I may give the book a try eventually.


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