United 93
#302
DVD Talk Hero
Originally Posted by Goldblum
The passengers had no way to fly the plane. They knew they were going to die either way.
Now, is this the same as 'knowing how to fly the plane'? Certainly not, but it shows that they did have a hope (however small) of making it out alive.
Last edited by GoldenJCJ; 09-07-06 at 11:11 PM.
#304
DVD Talk Special Edition
Originally Posted by matome
Regarding the passengers flying the plane,
Spoiler:
#305
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Malvern, PA
Posts: 5,010
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
I have yet to see the film, but from what I remember one of the passengers on board was in communication with her pilot boyfriend. From what I understand of the events, they were planning on using him to talk her through the landing.
Now, is this the same as 'knowing how to fly the plane'? Certainly not, but it shows that they did have a hope (however small) of making it out alive.
Now, is this the same as 'knowing how to fly the plane'? Certainly not, but it shows that they did have a hope (however small) of making it out alive.
#306
Needs to contact an admin about multiple accounts
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 472
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm not sure what type of plane this was, i think 767 but new planes you can program in the entire flight in advance and the computer can handle the entire flight including landing of the plane. the only thing not controled is the reverse thrust because it's so dangerous, so it would take a longer runway to land without reverse thrust. someone could probably talk them into how to program this into the computer. if the plane had this capability which it might have had.
#308
Cool New Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I watched this last night with my family. Greengrass does this so well I thought it was happening all over again. I caught myself screaming in frustration at some times, and tearing up in others.
I feel weird commenting on the technical aspects of the film, but the sound and score in this was incredible.
5 stars.
I feel weird commenting on the technical aspects of the film, but the sound and score in this was incredible.
5 stars.
#311
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Taxachusetts
Posts: 2,316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I watched it last night with my wife. What a truly amazing film, really. Masterfully directed by Paul Greengrass. Like a lot of you, I almost forgot I was watching a movie and not actual footage from 9/11. Very powerful stuff, indeed.
By the end of the movie I was shaking with anger, sadness, and when it was all over I just felt totally spent emotionally. My wife and I both just sat together crying for about 5 or 10 minutes. Definitely a movie that should be recognized come Oscar time next year.
That being said, I don't think I'll ever be able to watch it again. I was not prepared for the emotional onslaught. I thought I was, but I wasn't. If I ever do watch it again, it won't be for a long, long while.
By the end of the movie I was shaking with anger, sadness, and when it was all over I just felt totally spent emotionally. My wife and I both just sat together crying for about 5 or 10 minutes. Definitely a movie that should be recognized come Oscar time next year.
That being said, I don't think I'll ever be able to watch it again. I was not prepared for the emotional onslaught. I thought I was, but I wasn't. If I ever do watch it again, it won't be for a long, long while.
#312
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
There's no Hollywood feel to this film
I disagree, there were plenty of moments of where I thought, "just show what really happened, not the way a hero would act, not the tear-jerker translation."
#313
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by J-Dubya
I disagree, there were plenty of moments of where I thought, "just show what really happened, not the way a hero would act, not the tear-jerker translation."
#314
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by PalmerJoss
That being said, I don't think I'll ever be able to watch it again. I was not prepared for the emotional onslaught. I thought I was, but I wasn't. If I ever do watch it again, it won't be for a long, long while.
#315
DVD Talk Legend
Just watched the film and thought it was very good. I had nervous feelings right at the beginning and my heart was racing 90 miles to nothing in the last half hour.
Was I the only person that still sat there watching at the end and was still somehow hoping that they could gain control and right the plane...even though, of course, I like everyone else knows how it ends?
The people's reactions on the ground when the towers were both hit & then the Pentagon, felt so genuine and real that it put me back there on that day.
How is the commentary? I would like to watch it but I just can't bear to listen to some guy talking over a movie like this. It just would feel wrong somehow...like eating popcorn while watching the beach landing scene of Saving Private Ryan.
Was I the only person that still sat there watching at the end and was still somehow hoping that they could gain control and right the plane...even though, of course, I like everyone else knows how it ends?
The people's reactions on the ground when the towers were both hit & then the Pentagon, felt so genuine and real that it put me back there on that day.
How is the commentary? I would like to watch it but I just can't bear to listen to some guy talking over a movie like this. It just would feel wrong somehow...like eating popcorn while watching the beach landing scene of Saving Private Ryan.
#316
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,957
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
Was I the only person that still sat there watching at the end and was still somehow hoping that they could gain control and right the plane...even though, of course, I like everyone else knows how it ends?
I know 2 people that have rented it over the last week. One of them went to rent it and every place he went to, it was out. So he just bought the damn DVD.
I seriously hope more people check this out now that it's on DVD.
#317
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As a Loose Change supporter, I saw the film and liked it. Definitely one of Greengrass's best film and thankfully the camera wasn't shaking like mad as in Bourne Supremacy. I don't even believe much about Loose Change now anyways, except for the Pentagon plane crash conspiracy.
United 93 is probably the best airplane hijacking movie I've ever seen. 100 times better than Turbulence, Passenger 57, and Flightplan.
So in United 93, they really make the airport chief look like the hero a la Billy Bob Thornton from Armegeddon. He was trying to get things done, while the government liasons were not acting on his info. United 93 is certainly an anti-govt movie. All those airport people seemed to be doing an excellent and efficient job - it's just the govt.'s beurocracy, poor communication, and passivity that screwed everyone.
The bad thing about this movie is that it is going to be a porn movie for muslim extremists...
United 93 is probably the best airplane hijacking movie I've ever seen. 100 times better than Turbulence, Passenger 57, and Flightplan.
So in United 93, they really make the airport chief look like the hero a la Billy Bob Thornton from Armegeddon. He was trying to get things done, while the government liasons were not acting on his info. United 93 is certainly an anti-govt movie. All those airport people seemed to be doing an excellent and efficient job - it's just the govt.'s beurocracy, poor communication, and passivity that screwed everyone.
The bad thing about this movie is that it is going to be a porn movie for muslim extremists...
#318
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Malvern, PA
Posts: 5,010
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by toddly6666
The bad thing about this movie is that it is going to be a porn movie for muslim extremists...
#319
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by toddly6666
United 93 is probably the best airplane hijacking movie I've ever seen. 100 times better than Turbulence, Passenger 57, and Flightplan.
#320
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
GOLDBLUM, why aren't the terrorists potrayed in good light from the muslim extremist point of view? From their perspective, they were warrior freedom fighters that were willing to die at any cost for their cause...That's very heroic and respectible from their side....
#321
Suspended
I take it that when you guys mention "the DVD", you mean the TV movie "Flight 93" and that the rest of this discussion is about the theatre feature "United 93". Does anybody have an opinion about the respective merits of the two films? I saw "Flight 93" in its French version on September 11, 2006 on Quebec station TVA and was rather surprised and overwhelmed by the quality. I haven't seen "United 93" yet.
The same night, the French CBC played a BBC docu-drama that had only been premiered five days before in England and that hasn't been seen in the US yet called "9/11: The Two Towers" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808138/combined ), a totally non-fiction "Night to Remember" - like recreation of the most famous events of the WTC mixing staged recreations, CGI, 3-D plans and talking heads of relatives and survivors. The English version's narrator was Terence Stamp. The narrator in the French version I saw was Jean Reno. I also found it extremely well-made and powerful. Funny thing is I didn't think I could sit through either of those two films but I did and I'm glad I did. (My IMDb comment on this last film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808138/usercomments-4 )
I now realize that both films ("Flight 93" and "United 93") are available on DVD and that "United 93" never made it to theatres in Canada. Hence the confusion. My question remains: How do the two films compare - beyond Slop 101's comment that he didn't like the more maudlin scenes of the TV movie?
Readers might also be interested in DVD Savant's review of the sane DVD documentary "9/11 - Press for Truth" about 9/11's many unanswered questions: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2102trut.html , which is apparently also available for free on the net in its entirety at : http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ress+for+truth
The same night, the French CBC played a BBC docu-drama that had only been premiered five days before in England and that hasn't been seen in the US yet called "9/11: The Two Towers" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808138/combined ), a totally non-fiction "Night to Remember" - like recreation of the most famous events of the WTC mixing staged recreations, CGI, 3-D plans and talking heads of relatives and survivors. The English version's narrator was Terence Stamp. The narrator in the French version I saw was Jean Reno. I also found it extremely well-made and powerful. Funny thing is I didn't think I could sit through either of those two films but I did and I'm glad I did. (My IMDb comment on this last film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808138/usercomments-4 )
I now realize that both films ("Flight 93" and "United 93") are available on DVD and that "United 93" never made it to theatres in Canada. Hence the confusion. My question remains: How do the two films compare - beyond Slop 101's comment that he didn't like the more maudlin scenes of the TV movie?
Readers might also be interested in DVD Savant's review of the sane DVD documentary "9/11 - Press for Truth" about 9/11's many unanswered questions: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2102trut.html , which is apparently also available for free on the net in its entirety at : http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ress+for+truth
Last edited by baracine; 09-19-06 at 10:39 AM.
#322
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MR SALTY, I forgot about EXECUTIVE DECISION and CON AIR...those two are probably actually more rewatchable than United 93...
Last edited by toddly6666; 09-19-06 at 09:13 AM.
#323
DVD Talk Hero
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Somewhere between Heaven and Hell
Posts: 34,101
Received 728 Likes
on
532 Posts
Originally Posted by toddly6666
MR SALTY, I forgot about EXECUTIVE DECISION and CON AIR...those two are probably actually more rewatchable than United 93...
#324
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yes, those are stupid fictional hollywood movies, but United 93 is still a hollywood film. United 93 is a hollywood movie in the same realm of Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, Schindler's List. What's the difference? United 93 is a film based on real events, but not on fact. The only factual content in that movie is the airport employees. The events happening in the airplane itself is all Hollywood, created from some minor info such as calls from the plane and plane crashing in the middle of nowhere. It could be true but maybe not. United 93 is at the level of Munich, not at the level of One Day In September. Just because the movie is filmed in a documentary style, it doesn't make it a factual documentary...
Still pretty good and intense movie.
Is is fact that there was an actual small plane pilot in coach? That was very hollywood - making it seem like that this small plane pilot is going to save the day when the terrorists get taken out...It's basically a good Hollywood screenplay created from bits and pieces of info..
Still pretty good and intense movie.
Is is fact that there was an actual small plane pilot in coach? That was very hollywood - making it seem like that this small plane pilot is going to save the day when the terrorists get taken out...It's basically a good Hollywood screenplay created from bits and pieces of info..
Last edited by toddly6666; 09-19-06 at 12:32 PM.
#325
DVD Talk Hero
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Somewhere between Heaven and Hell
Posts: 34,101
Received 728 Likes
on
532 Posts
I just think you miss your mark with your comparisons. And I don't feel the movie embellishes/Hollywood-izes as much as you would think, unlike The Perfect Storm or Open Water for example.