Benicio Del Toro is The Wolf Man
02-09-10, 10:23 PM
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Or Warner should've had the balls and let Neveldine & Taylor do the film the way they imagined (especially since they were going to write and direct the film). Instead Warner wanted a PG-13, went to town on their script and showed N&T the door.
02-10-10, 07:49 AM
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Reshoots (or rather, additional shoots) are the norm, not the exception. Generally you don't "hear of it" happening because there's an unfair stigma that reshoots automatically mean the finished film will be disjointed and awful.
More often than not the filmmakers see changes that can be made to improve a film in post-production that they didn't think of before, and since most stars are contracted for reshoots as par for the course these days, it's normally pretty easy to get people back together and get some more material for the final film. The reality is that reshoots can fix simple mistakes and make a better film just as much as they can mean glaring, unnecessary changes.
I don't know if this is the case with The Wolfman, which was beset with issues from the start, but decrying the film for having reshoots is simply naïve.
More often than not the filmmakers see changes that can be made to improve a film in post-production that they didn't think of before, and since most stars are contracted for reshoots as par for the course these days, it's normally pretty easy to get people back together and get some more material for the final film. The reality is that reshoots can fix simple mistakes and make a better film just as much as they can mean glaring, unnecessary changes.
I don't know if this is the case with The Wolfman, which was beset with issues from the start, but decrying the film for having reshoots is simply naïve.
So getting the cast back together well over a year after a film has been finished, and edited, and a few screenings have occurred, actually after the first two or three announced release dates for the film is common huh?
You're sure about that? Then go ahead and list... say three films that this has occurred on then.
Or were you not familiar with the details about this particular movie and therefore you had no idea what you were talking about? Maybe that's it?
Thanks for the 'lesson' on reshoots btw.
02-10-10, 10:49 AM
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Napolean Dynamite, for one. Entire ending was re-shot the summer after the original release. And, IIRC, it was summertime. But it was definitely much later. Anyone else have movies with re-shoots much later? I know this must be fairly common, as you don't see people freaking out about it anyplace but fan-sites and forums, lol.
Most re-shoots are done during post and to back up DonnachaOne, they are the norm for a decent sized amount of studio pictures. These films are able to meet their scheduled release dates as the re-shoots don't require anything more than just a few days of additional shooting (a week tops).
The Wolfman has been having trouble since it's first day rolling, so it is one of those rare exceptions to the rule.
02-10-10, 02:15 PM
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Really.
That very specific scenario doesn't happen very often, no. As others have already poined out, The Wolfman's case is rare.
Introducing new elements into your argument fails to negate my point.
As the old saying goes, "don't give a bad review to a book you haven't read." The same goes for my post, which you evidently have not read:
No thanks necessary. I only wish someone were quicker to you with a lesson in manners and reading comprehension.
I'm glad that the matter is now settled.
Going over the reviews thread and advance notices from some people online, I'm thinking of giving the screening for my employees a miss. I'm not sure I want to be around when the film ends.
Introducing new elements into your argument fails to negate my point.
Originally Posted by DonnachaOne, a few posts above
The Wolfman, which was beset with issues from the start
I'm glad that the matter is now settled.
Going over the reviews thread and advance notices from some people online, I'm thinking of giving the screening for my employees a miss. I'm not sure I want to be around when the film ends.
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02-10-10, 02:28 PM
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So I was right.
You didn't know what you were talking about, and you had no idea what I was talking about but posted away in spite of it.
Then when I spell my point out in detail, you claim I'm trying to change the context of my point that you were unable to grasp to begin with.
All the specifics of the dates and etc had been covered earlier in the thread if you had bothered to read it, I assumed the context of my point would be fairly clear. Ironic for someone who talks about reading comprehension to miss so much in the written word.
You didn't know what you were talking about, and you had no idea what I was talking about but posted away in spite of it.
Then when I spell my point out in detail, you claim I'm trying to change the context of my point that you were unable to grasp to begin with.
All the specifics of the dates and etc had been covered earlier in the thread if you had bothered to read it, I assumed the context of my point would be fairly clear. Ironic for someone who talks about reading comprehension to miss so much in the written word.
02-10-10, 02:32 PM
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Mabuse, you imply an ignorance on my part which simply isn't true, even though it's been pointed out that I'm evidently more aware of the situation than you are. I will not be dragged into a squabble because you lost an argument; before you get any more upset, may I remind you that personal attacks are not warranted on DVDTalk.
02-11-10, 06:29 AM
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I'm not aware of Wolfman's problems but from my meager layman's knowledge of the film industry recalls hearing about re shoots quite a bit. In fact, just today I caught the behind the scenes of The Time Traveler's Wife and they mentioned having to wait months, if not a year to do some reshoots to get both the seasons to match and to allow Eric Bana's hair to grow back after Star Trek.
Pretty sure it's common practice. Sometimes a studio tests a film and it doesn't respond well, so they go back to add more.
A quick Google search brought up Valkyrie, Snakes on a Plane, Salt, Twilight and the New Nightmare on Elm St just for starters.
Pretty sure it's common practice. Sometimes a studio tests a film and it doesn't respond well, so they go back to add more.
A quick Google search brought up Valkyrie, Snakes on a Plane, Salt, Twilight and the New Nightmare on Elm St just for starters.
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02-12-10, 07:57 PM
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Well these scenes are pretty cool. Still want to see the flick knowing what I know from it's issues.
(that mouth "gag" is kinda eh but otherwise looks well made overall, production wise)
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(that mouth "gag" is kinda eh but otherwise looks well made overall, production wise)
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