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Old 03-13-06, 11:43 AM
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New James Bond movie: fewer gadgets, more grit

I thought that this might deserve its own thread instead of burying it in the other thread. I am not in favor of the changes listed in the spoilered section at all. Seems like they are trying to alienate the whole Bond following, IMO.

MIAMI (Reuters) - Forget the gadgets, invisible cars and exploding space stations. The next James Bond movie is going to be pure grit, real stunts and a spy who fumbles a kill, falls in love and dislikes violence, the makers say.

"Casino Royale," the 21st movie featuring the debonair English superspy, takes Bond back to the start of Ian Fleming's series, when he carries out his initial two assassinations and first earns his license to kill.

There'll be no computer-generated imagery, the prologue is in black and white "to shake everybody up," and the MI6 agent, played for the first time by English actor Daniel Craig, will take a while to get into his trademark tuxedo.

"At the end of it he's sort of honed into the Bond, the emotionally shut-down beautiful machine that Bond's become," director Martin Campbell told reporters this week on a visit to the movie set in the Bahamas.

But on the way to being the smooth, unruffled, lady-killer 007 fans have grown accustomed to, Craig as the first blond Bond, will clearly show a more human side.

"The great thing about it is that he makes mistakes and screws up. Bond finds violence hard to take, he won't admit to that. He has to do two killings, one is very messy. He falls in love with a girl, genuinely falls in love," said Campbell.

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There is no "Q," no "Moneypenny" and only "a little bit of gadgetry," in the movie due for release in November and being distributed by Columbia Pictures, a Sony Pictures Entertainment unit, he said.


Craig, 38, said the Bond he hopes to portray begins as "sort of fallible." The script doesn't shy away from the sexism that marked early Bond movies but which has since been diluted.

"But he's Bond, he's not always nice," Craig said.

"Edgy" and "gritty" are the adjectives most commonly flung around by those involved in the movie.

"He's a hard guy, that's the difference I think," said special effects supervisor Chris Corbould.

There will be plenty of action.

In a chase scene set on the African island of Madagascar but filmed in the Bahamas, Bond tries to run down terrorist Mollaka in a bulldozer, and then follows him on foot through a construction site, jumping from a 140-foot (43-meter) crane to a 120-foot (37-meter) crane.

Mollaka is played by Sebastien Foucan, French co-founder of a popular urban sports trend called Freerunning, or Parkour, and his powerful running style makes Bond appear clumsy.

But Bond's relentless determination is supposed to shine through as he scrambles after Mollaka through a Madagascar shantytown and jungle.

The film will be a departure from the explosives- and gizmo-laden spectacles seen in 2002's "Die Another Day," or 1995's "GoldenEye," which was also directed by Campbell.

"Even after 'GoldenEye' I remember remarking, thinking, how many control rooms, how many madmen can take over the world?" Campbell said. "Where the hell do you go with it? Do you get another madman, do you blow up another control room? How many space stations can you take?"

Co-producer Michael Wilson of EON Productions said the invisible car in "Die Another Day" had begun to dip the hugely successful movie series into the realm of the unbelievable.

"Technology was beginning to overwhelm the story and the characters," Wilson said.

The latest movie in a 44-year franchise that has grossed almost $4 billion since "Dr. No," starring Sean Connery, was screened in 1962, "Casino Royale" will be a return to the roots, said co-producer Barbara Broccoli.

That was one reason why EON dumped Pierce Brosnan, the most successful of the five Bond actors to date, and is taking a gamble with a new, younger face, she said.

"If you don't grow and change you die and we felt this was the right time and the right story to tell, and Daniel was the right guy to do it," Broccoli said. "So here we are."
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Can't edit my post from work for some reason, but...

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...isn't John Cleese in the new one? I know that he is not Q (who died a few years ago), so is the writer of the article that far behind the times saying that Q is not going to be in the movie?
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Old 03-13-06, 12:25 PM
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Wow. I may actually go see a Bond movie in the theater for once.
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Old 03-13-06, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by movieking
Can't edit my post from work for some reason, but...

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...isn't John Cleese in the new one? I know that he is not Q (who died a few years ago), so is the writer of the article that far behind the times saying that Q is not going to be in the movie?
If this is actually a "prequel" of sorts, that wouldn't make much sense.
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Old 03-13-06, 01:20 PM
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If this is actually a "prequel" of sorts, that wouldn't make much sense.
Of course if it's a prequel, then why keep Judi Dench as M?
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Old 03-13-06, 01:52 PM
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So, basically, "Batman Begins" all over again.

Same movie.
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Old 03-13-06, 02:25 PM
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Yeah, it's basically 007 Begins but I'm looking forward to it.
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Old 03-13-06, 02:26 PM
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I think this is the right place to take this franchise. Start from scratch, so to speak.
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Originally Posted by Doughboy
Of course if it's a prequel, then why keep Judi Dench as M?
Yeah, that wouldn't make much sense.
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Now I'm really sad that Tarantino didn't get to direct...

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as long as it has explosions, violence, and most importantly T&A...it'll be jus fine.
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Old 03-13-06, 03:25 PM
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why does it have to be recreated with a new begining?

why not just have a new bond movie, that doesnt have as many crazy gadgets, shows bond struggle a little more, and make it more of a spy movie instead of an action movie.

there is no need to go back to scratch and show him as a pansy who doesnt like violence and wont wear a suit. no reason not to have new Q or moneypenny.

this is lame.
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
as long as it has explosions, violence, and most importantly T&A...it'll be jus fine.


I like the direction the movie is going, if what the article says is accurate.
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Old 03-13-06, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by movieking
Can't edit my post from work for some reason, but...

Spoiler:
...isn't John Cleese in the new one? I know that he is not Q (who died a few years ago), so is the writer of the article that far behind the times saying that Q is not going to be in the movie?
http://www.killermovies.com/j/jamesb...cles/5019.html
(Article contains slight casting spoilers)

As for the main topic, I'm interested in the approach but I have a feeling this could be a box office disaster. Start with a new Bond, one that is considered a questionable choice by many, then take away a huge portion of the traditional Bond elements at the same time? I think they're trying to pull off too much at once here.
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Old 03-13-06, 06:28 PM
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Any attempt to inject some life into this franchise is fine by me.
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Old 03-13-06, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
as long as it has explosions, violence, and most importantly T&A...it'll be jus fine.
You get your T&A and I get a fugly Bond. Who says men don't rule the world!
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Old 03-13-06, 07:25 PM
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i think they should do something and change the mythology a bit:

you bring in Pierce at the beginning of the film, have him get seriously wounded. they recruit a new guy and he assumes the alias James Bond. that way the entire franchise makes sense. and if they really wanted to do a gimmick, they could bring back the old Bonds - i'd hope they wouldn't, but i'm sure they would.

make the name part of the title "007 James Bond". that way Dench wouldn't be out of place in the "prequel", because it would just be the new Bond getting oriented. it would clear up so many goofs within the franchise, from advancing technology to different actors as Bond, Q, M, Felix, etc. (the only odd man out, i suppose, would be Blofeld in the earlier films..)
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This sounds a lot better than any Bond movie in recent memory. This is one franchise that is in bad need of a facelift. I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted by DrRingDing
i think they should do something and change the mythology a bit:

you bring in Pierce at the beginning of the film, have him get seriously wounded. they recruit a new guy and he assumes the alias James Bond. that way the entire franchise makes sense. and if they really wanted to do a gimmick, they could bring back the old Bonds - i'd hope they wouldn't, but i'm sure they would.

make the name part of the title "007 James Bond". that way Dench wouldn't be out of place in the "prequel", because it would just be the new Bond getting oriented. it would clear up so many goofs within the franchise, from advancing technology to different actors as Bond, Q, M, Felix, etc. (the only odd man out, i suppose, would be Blofeld in the earlier films..)
That would only work if it starred David Niven, Peter Sellers, Ursula Andress, Woody Allen, and Orson Welles. And instead of wounding Bond, he should be an old fogie thrust out of retirement.
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In a chase scene set on the African island of Madagascar but filmed in the Bahamas, Bond tries to run down terrorist Mollaka in a bulldozer
"oh no, It's k-k-ken c-c-coming to k-k-kill me!"


I'm all for a new bond, the last few movies have held zero interest for me, that I stopped watching them after The World is Not Enough. I'm actually looking forward to this one...Bond meets Bourne.
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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
"oh no, It's k-k-ken c-c-coming to k-k-kill me!"


I'm all for a new bond, the last few movies have held zero interest for me, that I stopped watching them after The World is Not Enough. I'm actually looking forward to this one...Bond meets Bourne.



So, basically you didn't watch Die Another Day?
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Originally Posted by jigga6286
So, basically you didn't watch Die Another Day?


I'm looking foward to this movie. If I had to deal with another over the top story (usually) involving a giant freakin' laser, I was going to puke.
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I'll see it. But you can't make me like it.
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Making it gritty and real doesn't automatically make the film better, outlandish Bond films like Dr. No and Goldfinger are excellent, Fleming's Bond stories are 90% outlandish in case anyone's wondering so sooner or later they will still have to face the tough job of actually making an outlandish Bond film watchable, and that it's the shitty writing that they need to drop and not the actor.

I just hope they don't go the Jason Bourne route with this film.
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Old 03-14-06, 12:48 AM
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I really would have liked to have a serious spying Bond movie with Brosnan before they decided it was time to hit reset on the franchise.

I'll have to make a final assessment of this movie after i actually see it.

I like the idea behind it, but time will tell if they movie lives up to its lofty promises.
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