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Old 02-04-06, 10:09 AM
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Movies that bomb...are they becoming extinct?

It seems that so many movies nowadays, all these watered-down PG-13, pseudo-horror films have such tiny production budgets. Movies that you think are predestined to bomb, like "Cry_Wolf", "The Fog" (2005), and so many other countless dribble, actually make a decent profit (prior to any mention of DVD sales).

The blockbusters that cost $200 million ("King Kong", "Chronicles of Narnia") even with lower than expected domestic gross (KK) make sizeable profits.

So are bombs in the movie industry going way of the dodo?
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I do know one thing. When junk like Big Momma's House 2 is making 28 million, the world is going to hell. The general public's taste has gotten so bad, that almost anything can score nowadays.
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I wouldn't go that far...


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No, of course not. As pointed out above, Stealth. And The Island is another recent one.
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I think there are a lot more ways for movies to make money nowadays. The Island, for one, actually made 160 million overall with foreign money added in. When you add in DVD, it probably made some money. But when you have budgets of over 100 million dollars for big movies like those, they have to make a lot to get any profit.
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Stelth made like $40m worldwide and I don't see the DVD doing much business.

Sucks for Sony.
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Further proof:

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And even further proof:

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Originally Posted by Mountain Biker
And even further proof:

Nice threadcrap.

Universal has made over $70 million on Serenity after domestic gross, worldwide gross, and domestic DVD sales. So basically, they made $30 million profit on it when all was said and done.

Whereas films like Son of the Mask, The Adventures of Pluto Nash, and Stealth were $100 million dollar affairs that could barely pass $20 million domestically.
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"When a Stranger Calls", which is getting shitty reviews, made $9.4 million! yesterday. Teenagers are stupid.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
And The Island is another recent one.
Non-franchise Sci Fi films rarely do well at the B.O.

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel

Universal has made over $70 million on Serenity after domestic gross, worldwide gross, and domestic DVD sales. So basically, they made $30 million profit on it when all was said and done.
It's not really fair to take DVD sales into consideration when we're talking Box Office earnings. Worldwide, "Serenity" didn't make back it's $38 M budget. You also have to take into consideration the marketing costs. It's by no means a "bomb", though. It had a very limited audience.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Nice threadcrap.

Universal has made over $70 million on Serenity after domestic gross, worldwide gross, and domestic DVD sales. So basically, they made $30 million profit on it when all was said and done.
Don't let your love of the movie fool you... it bombed, not as bad as those other ones mentiond - but bombed nontheless.

You're oversimplifying the financials... for a film with a $39m budget and probably $20m+ for marketing, $70m in revenue for boxoffice + DVD sales is pretty poor.
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The Island grossed $160 Million worldwide, not a bomb.
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Originally Posted by Coral
Don't let your love of the movie fool you... it bombed, not as bad as those other ones mentiond - but bombed nontheless.

You're oversimplifying the financials... for a film with a $39m budget and probably $20m+ for marketing, $70m in revenue for boxoffice + DVD sales is pretty poor.
"Serenity" didn't even come close to bombing. i don't think you know what you are talking about. when a movie fully recoups it's financials and even if it made $1.00 over that it is not considered a bomb by industry standards.

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Originally Posted by Mountain Biker
And even further proof:


It just goes to show what a sad world we live in when a great movie like Serenity doesn't do well and a terrible film like "The Grudge" makes a lot of dough.
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Why does every movie thread now somehow involve Serenity??? Look kids at the new rage, 6 degrees of Serenity!!!!
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Originally Posted by scott1598
So are bombs in the movie industry going way of the dodo?
Is that a rhetorical question?

Since you probably know more about film than the average Joe on the street (judging by your number of posts in this forum, anyway), you're probably well aware of the ballooning production costs of "big-ticket" Hollywood fare. As long as film costs continue to spiral out of control ($200+ mil. isn't even unusual anymore), then there will always be bombs. The Island only pulled in about $40 mil. domestic. Elektra barely $20+. Domino barely cracked $10 mil. Huge bombs, all.

There's not a studio in Holywood that banks solely on international gross to recoup its investment. If it tanks in the U.S., then it's a bomb, regardless of its international take.

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Originally Posted by Scotts35
The Island grossed $160 Million worldwide, not a bomb.
The budget for this $126 million + whatever marketing costs where. This was a huge bomb. Considering it was a Michael Bay movie, most analysts probably thought the $160 million would be made in the US alone.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Nice threadcrap.

Universal has made over $70 million on Serenity after domestic gross, worldwide gross, and domestic DVD sales. So basically, they made $30 million profit on it when all was said and done.

Whereas films like Son of the Mask, The Adventures of Pluto Nash, and Stealth were $100 million dollar affairs that could barely pass $20 million domestically.

Nice threadcrap? HUH? Were talking BO numbers here. Serenity's Worldwide gross was $38 million vs a budget of $40 million. Do the math. Maybe it's not in the same league as a Pluto Nash or Domino, but it's still a flop, nonetheless.
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i understand what the op means. a lot of films today are geared AGAINST being a flop.... pick a title the audience already knows (TV show etc) remake of an old (or not so old) movie, sequel...upon sequel...upon sequel....(and try to keep out original concepts and ideas because they're unproven) a lot of films have built in audiences now preventing them from being bombs...its come down to a science and a money making business more than ever....of course some do slip through the cracks and bomb because they suck TOO much to not bomb (stealth)...or the studio misjudged how much we'll put up with (son of mask)....
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why can't hollywood go back to originality and forget about all these suck fests they keep churning out? it is so tiring...
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Originally Posted by thegingerbreadm
i understand what the op means. a lot of films today are geared AGAINST being a flop.... pick a title the audience already knows (TV show etc) remake of an old (or not so old) movie, sequel...upon sequel...upon sequel....(and try to keep out original concepts and ideas because they're unproven) a lot of films have built in audiences now preventing them from being bombs...its come down to a science and a money making business more than ever....of course some do slip through the cracks and bomb because they suck TOO much to not bomb (stealth)...or the studio misjudged how much we'll put up with (son of mask)....
I agree with what you are saying (though reading through all the ellipses is a bit distracting), that the studios are trying to find the lowest common denominator and fill the script with he stuff that they know works for the most people. Which is exactly how business/marketing people think; and that's why we get so many shitty movies year after year, and why the good ones are so few and far between.

I don't think flops will ever go away; there will always be high risk movies, that for all the work put into making it accessible to the largest audience, just don't work. With the expanding online world, getting good word of mouth out, or supressing bad word of mouth, is going to get harder and harder for those borderline movies that aren't horrible but aren't great.
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I'd consider a bomb to be something that lost substantial money, if it's a little less than devistating, than a flop label is in line.

Serenity - not a bomb, though a minor flop. (and I REALLY don't get the love for this movie) ($38.8m for a $39m production budget, unknown advertising)
Pluto Nash - Bomb ($7.1m for a $100m production budget, $20m advertising)
Town & Country - Bomb ($10.3m on a $90m production budget, $15m advertising)
Stealth - Bomb ($76.9m on a $135m production budget, and at least $30m advertising)
AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (2004) - Bomb ($72.2m admist a $110m production, $30m advertising budget)
Cutthroat Island - $10.0m gross, $98m production
Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire - Biggest Bomb Ever!

That said, there's actually more bombs these days than there were a decade ago.
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great views so far, but has there been any flops on the grand scale of "Cleopatra" and "Ishtar" in recent memory? it doesn't seem like to many have come out that hit so huge and become so infamously landmark.
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Originally Posted by scott1598
why can't hollywood go back to originality and forget about all these suck fests they keep churning out? it is so tiring...
I think you are becoming nostalgic for a time that never existed; Hollywood was never original, at least not for very long. For every great movie that came out in the early years, there were 10x as many cheap knockoffs and hurried remakes and sequels. The basic idea of the studios has stayed generally the same: find a concept that works and exploit it until it is no longer profitable. I think we are at a time where there are still plenty of original ideas, but the risk involved to make them into a movie outweighs the money involved in making them. Plus, at this point, everything is a copy of a copy of a copy, and anyone who has seen more than what is available in the theaters each week will know that.

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