Disney in talks to buy Pixar (merged)
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Disney in talks to buy Pixar
So do you think this will be good or bad for either company?
from USA Today:
Report says Disney, Pixar engaging in buyout talks
By David Lieberman and Laura Petrecca, USA TODAY
Walt Disney (DIS) shares rose 4% and Pixar (PIXR) shares closed up nearly 3% after a published report that the companies are discussing a possible Disney purchase of the computer-animation studio.
That is now on the table as they discuss a future after their often rocky, but always profitable, partnership expires in June, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. Both companies declined to comment.
Since 1997, they made computer animation one of cinema's most lucrative genres as Disney distributed Pixar-produced blockbusters including Toy Story, Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. In the same period Disney — known for drawn animation classics including Snow White and The Lion King - produced disappointments including Atlantis and Treasure Planet. The company's first solo, fully computer-animated film, Chicken Little, was a modest hit in late 2005.
"Animation is central to everything they do" at Disney's movie, TV and theme park empire, Sanford C. Bernstein's Michael Nathanson says. He says they must have decided "that on their own they can't create enough must-have content and must believe that Pixar has the secret sauce."
It would be a "nice payday for short-term investors" in Pixar, says Harris Nesbitt analyst Jeffrey Logsdon. And Disney gets "proven animation capability, production expertise, management and leadership, all things that are very hard to buy," he says.
But analysts warn Disney might overpay if it has to add a premium to Pixar's market value, already up 40% since September. "The stock has run up in anticipation" of a deal, says Michael Cuggino, president of Permanent Portfolio, which owns 95,000 Disney shares.
Pixar closed Thursday at $58.87, up $1.61, which means the market thinks it's worth at least $7 billion. The company generated an estimated $143 million in net income in 2005 on revenue of $276 million — about 94% from films in the Disney partnership.
The numbers might look worse if Pixar films lose some of their cachet — if they're simply triples or doubles instead of home runs.
Richard Greenfield of Pali Research worries that Pixar may be "selling right at the top knowing that its upcoming original films are not as good."
He adds: "Pixar does not need to sell; it could easily have struck a distribution deal with Disney or another studio. Why trade a clean and simple studio with a perfect track record for 13% to 14% of Disney, which owns businesses that have uncertain futures like broadcast TV and radio stations, and slower growth businesses like theme parks?"
Disney and Pixar currently split production costs and profits, plus Disney gets a distribution fee of as much as 15%. It also gets rights to the characters for sequels — a point that has irked Pixar CEO Steve Jobs.
from USA Today:
Report says Disney, Pixar engaging in buyout talks
By David Lieberman and Laura Petrecca, USA TODAY
Walt Disney (DIS) shares rose 4% and Pixar (PIXR) shares closed up nearly 3% after a published report that the companies are discussing a possible Disney purchase of the computer-animation studio.
That is now on the table as they discuss a future after their often rocky, but always profitable, partnership expires in June, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. Both companies declined to comment.
Since 1997, they made computer animation one of cinema's most lucrative genres as Disney distributed Pixar-produced blockbusters including Toy Story, Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. In the same period Disney — known for drawn animation classics including Snow White and The Lion King - produced disappointments including Atlantis and Treasure Planet. The company's first solo, fully computer-animated film, Chicken Little, was a modest hit in late 2005.
"Animation is central to everything they do" at Disney's movie, TV and theme park empire, Sanford C. Bernstein's Michael Nathanson says. He says they must have decided "that on their own they can't create enough must-have content and must believe that Pixar has the secret sauce."
It would be a "nice payday for short-term investors" in Pixar, says Harris Nesbitt analyst Jeffrey Logsdon. And Disney gets "proven animation capability, production expertise, management and leadership, all things that are very hard to buy," he says.
But analysts warn Disney might overpay if it has to add a premium to Pixar's market value, already up 40% since September. "The stock has run up in anticipation" of a deal, says Michael Cuggino, president of Permanent Portfolio, which owns 95,000 Disney shares.
Pixar closed Thursday at $58.87, up $1.61, which means the market thinks it's worth at least $7 billion. The company generated an estimated $143 million in net income in 2005 on revenue of $276 million — about 94% from films in the Disney partnership.
The numbers might look worse if Pixar films lose some of their cachet — if they're simply triples or doubles instead of home runs.
Richard Greenfield of Pali Research worries that Pixar may be "selling right at the top knowing that its upcoming original films are not as good."
He adds: "Pixar does not need to sell; it could easily have struck a distribution deal with Disney or another studio. Why trade a clean and simple studio with a perfect track record for 13% to 14% of Disney, which owns businesses that have uncertain futures like broadcast TV and radio stations, and slower growth businesses like theme parks?"
Disney and Pixar currently split production costs and profits, plus Disney gets a distribution fee of as much as 15%. It also gets rights to the characters for sequels — a point that has irked Pixar CEO Steve Jobs.
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Disney need this as their non Pixar 3D films havent exactly set the world on fire.
It would be nice if they could work their differences out and keep their autonomy. But I'm not one to slam Disney and praise Pixar, simply because it's popular nowadays to do so. Nothing would suit me more than to see Disney Animation get back to form and spank Pixar at their own game. We'll see if Iger can do that.
The thing that will get Disney back on track is when they stop thinking of "brand" and start thinking about "quality product". Stop micromanaging everything and let the artists make the decisions, not the pencil pushers.
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Originally Posted by Dazed
Disney need this as their non Pixar 3D films havent exactly set the world on fire.
I just cant believe Jobs would sell to Disney after all the bad blood.
I just cant believe Jobs would sell to Disney after all the bad blood.
It would be great to see Pixar remain autonomous but working with Disney. Once the corporate money of Disney seeps in so do the pencil pushers that think they know what's best for the company. See Hercules, Hunchback, Treasure Island, Brother Bear, etc.
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It would be great to see Pixar remain autonomous but working with Disney. Once the corporate money of Disney seeps in so do the pencil pushers that think they know what's best for the company. See Hercules, Hunchback, Treasure Island, Brother Bear, etc.
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Originally Posted by Dazed
Disney need this as their non Pixar 3D films havent exactly set the world on fire.
I just cant believe Jobs would sell to Disney after all the bad blood.
I just cant believe Jobs would sell to Disney after all the bad blood.
Chicken little did 248 million world wide.. is that not steller work? Now that Eisner is gone, I see no reason why this is a bad thing. Pixar is in business to make family friendly films and that is what Disney wants as well.
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Originally Posted by Terrell
Nothing would suit me more than to see Disney Animation get back to form and spank Pixar at their own game. We'll see if Iger can do that.
The thing that will get Disney back on track is when they stop thinking of "brand" and start thinking about "quality product". Stop micromanaging everything and let the artists make the decisions, not the pencil pushers.
The thing that will get Disney back on track is when they stop thinking of "brand" and start thinking about "quality product". Stop micromanaging everything and let the artists make the decisions, not the pencil pushers.
What would that accomplish exactly? I know why you are irked by people praising Pixar and bashing Disney but if you look at their track record over the last ten years. What does that tell you. Wanting Disney to spank Pixar at their own game is pointless. I still think there is plenty of room for more animation. Over the past few years there have been more and more animated films. I think that Disney and Pixar and peacefully coexist and be successful.
Why oh why would this be good news?! At best Pixar gets to put the the Disney name in front of it's own once more and gets a little financial help and exposure. At worse Disney bureacracy comes in and starts micromanaging Pixar. If you look at their special features the entire Pixar staff seem to work really well together. Now you throw in different people into the mix who they have to answer to.
Not good news at all if it is true.
Personally I can't wait until Disney gets back on track again but I sure don't want them to drag along Pixar for the ride. I don't see Disney having a neo neo classic period in the near future as their backs are not against the wall as it was before they had a shake down and resulting prolific phase.
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At best Pixar gets to put the the Disney name in front of it's own once more and gets a little financial help and exposure
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I still think there is plenty of room for more animation.
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Chicken little did 248 million world wide.. is that not steller work? Now that Eisner is gone, I see no reason why this is a bad thing. Pixar is in business to make family friendly films and that is what Disney wants as well.
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I don't see any benefit to Pixar here, other than the fact that most people have associated Pixar with Disney. But the Pixar name itself is well-known, and all the ads have to do is say "From the creators of Finding Nemo!" to draw in the crowds. Considering their track records, any studio would be willing to distribute them, especially Fox, who has been trying for years to break Disney's animation monopoly.
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
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I don't see any benefit to Pixar here, other than the fact that most people have associated Pixar with Disney. But the Pixar name itself is well-known, and all the ads have to do is say "From the creators of Finding Nemo!" to draw in the crowds. Considering their track records, any studio would be willing to distribute them, especially Fox, who has been trying for years to break Disney's animation monopoly.
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
Could you blame him?
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Well, perhaps it's telling that Pixar didn't sign any deals after falling out with Disney. Why didn't they try to go it alone if they were that confident? Maybe they thought they needed Disney for it's name and marketing muscle. We can argue all day long, but I do think Pixar gains from Disney's name, just as Disney gains from Pixar.
Still, I thought Pixar would go it alone and find another distributor instead of Disney. I'm even surprised that talks renewed with Disney, with the acrimony that seemed to develop between the parties.
Still, I thought Pixar would go it alone and find another distributor instead of Disney. I'm even surprised that talks renewed with Disney, with the acrimony that seemed to develop between the parties.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/...ixar_disney_dc
Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar: source 55 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The board of Walt Disney Co. (NYSEIS - news) has authorized Chief Executive Robert Iger to make an offer to buy Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (Nasdaq:PIXR - news) and is expected to do so by Tuesday, a source familiar with the matter said late on Monday.
Pixar's board is expected to consider the offer on Tuesday as well, said the source, who did not disclose financial terms.
Pixar shares closed at $58.27 on Monday on Nasdaq, putting its market value at just under $7 billion. The shares have risen about 12 percent in the last month, partly on speculation that Disney would buy the computer animation company behind such hits as "Toy Story," "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles."
The Wall Street Journal has reported that Disney is considering an all-stock offer, which would make Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs its largest individual shareholder.
The Journal reported late on Monday that the offer under consideration would give Jobs, who has a controlling stake in Pixar, a set on the Disney board.
Disney shares closed 0.78 percent lower at $25.52.
As an employee, I was hoping that they would make this decision.
Now let's see what the future holds for this merger and if it does go thru, how it will benefit both companies.
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Disney board okays takeover offer to Pixar: source 55 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The board of Walt Disney Co. (NYSEIS - news) has authorized Chief Executive Robert Iger to make an offer to buy Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (Nasdaq:PIXR - news) and is expected to do so by Tuesday, a source familiar with the matter said late on Monday.
Pixar's board is expected to consider the offer on Tuesday as well, said the source, who did not disclose financial terms.
Pixar shares closed at $58.27 on Monday on Nasdaq, putting its market value at just under $7 billion. The shares have risen about 12 percent in the last month, partly on speculation that Disney would buy the computer animation company behind such hits as "Toy Story," "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles."
The Wall Street Journal has reported that Disney is considering an all-stock offer, which would make Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs its largest individual shareholder.
The Journal reported late on Monday that the offer under consideration would give Jobs, who has a controlling stake in Pixar, a set on the Disney board.
Disney shares closed 0.78 percent lower at $25.52.
As an employee, I was hoping that they would make this decision.
Now let's see what the future holds for this merger and if it does go thru, how it will benefit both companies.
Chris
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It's amazing to me that a company with a only a small number of produced films in its library and with a fairly long time between films could be worth $7 billion when MGM/UA (including the Bond franchise, MGM's post-1986 catalog, UA's post 1952 catalog, Orion's film and TV library, the pre-1996 Samuel Goldwyn library, etc) was sold last year for $5 billion.
Even if each new Pixar film threw off $500 million in profit all in, it'd take 30 years to earn back what they paid for it at Pixar's current output.
But I guess that's why I'm not one of them high-falutin' finance guys.
Even if each new Pixar film threw off $500 million in profit all in, it'd take 30 years to earn back what they paid for it at Pixar's current output.
But I guess that's why I'm not one of them high-falutin' finance guys.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I don't see any benefit to Pixar here.......
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
Perhaps Jobs is more focused on Apple and just wants to unload Pixar for a big paycheck.
You're not looking hard enough.
"The Wall Street Journal has reported that Disney is considering an all-stock offer, which would make Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs its largest individual shareholder.
The Journal reported late on Monday that the offer under consideration would give Jobs, who has a controlling stake in Pixar, a set on the Disney board."
You think Disney will be forcing creative control when you have their guy as the single largest shareholder? You see the benefit now?
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Originally Posted by BigDan
It's amazing to me that a company with a only a small number of produced films in its library and with a fairly long time between films could be worth $7 billion when MGM/UA (including the Bond franchise, MGM's post-1986 catalog, UA's post 1952 catalog, Orion's film and TV library, the pre-1996 Samuel Goldwyn library, etc) was sold last year for $5 billion.
Even if each new Pixar film threw off $500 million in profit all in, it'd take 30 years to earn back what they paid for it at Pixar's current output.
But I guess that's why I'm not one of them high-falutin' finance guys.
Even if each new Pixar film threw off $500 million in profit all in, it'd take 30 years to earn back what they paid for it at Pixar's current output.
But I guess that's why I'm not one of them high-falutin' finance guys.
Chris
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Originally Posted by mrpayroll
It's not just profits from the film that Disney is looking at. Think merchandise, new themepark rides, etc. If it were just about movie profits, then I don't think Disney would be doing this.
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But even if you double the profit, that's still 15 years to recoup and assumes there won't be a dog in the bunch, something that even Andy Fastow would feel uncomfortable assuming.
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Doesn't Disney make about $500 mil worldwide on each release? That would be before DVD & merchandising. Being able to release & pull home video versions is a boon for Disney.
Smaller but also important factors may include: how do you value not having Pixar as your competition? Critical acclaim & awards?
Smaller but also important factors may include: how do you value not having Pixar as your competition? Critical acclaim & awards?
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Originally Posted by mrpayroll
It's not just profits from the film that Disney is looking at. Think merchandise, new themepark rides, etc. If it were just about movie profits, then I don't think Disney would be doing this.
Chris
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Doesn't Disney make about $500 mil worldwide on each release?
Looking at Pixar's Income Statement, they had total Net Income of $141.7 million in FY2004. Disney had $329 million net income from consumer products and $1.12 billion in studio entertainment for FY2005 (which began Oct. 1, 2004 and would include the entire "The Incredibles" release).