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Can someone explain what a "midichlorian" is and why it's controversial to the Star Wars fans? |
A better question would be why Luke was sent to Tatooine, instead of Daggobah where Yoda could of gave him the proper Jedi training from the proper age. -wink-
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One inconsistency I didn't like was that the fighting skills were greatly diminished as time went by.
The prequels show some amazing fighting skills with the lightsabers and just pure athletesism. Yet 20 years later in 4,5 and 6 their skills seems very rudentary in comparison. Lucas was in a tough situation since he could've toned down the fighting skills, but then that would make the action very tame in comparison to other current films. |
All movies have a basic premise, but end up being tweaked before being filmed. The movie Aliens' main character Ripley was intended for a male character, but ended up being female for the sake of giving the character more depth.
Lucas changed alot about the main characters in his first drafts. Very interesting to know that Tatooine was originally call Utapau. Utapau was the name of the planet that General Grevious hid out on in Revenge of the Sith. Star Wars script site: http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm |
Originally Posted by Bugg
...Yoda could of gave him the proper Jedi training from the proper age. -wink-
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Must be dickweeds popping up all over, since I'm going to throw one in, too.
It's not "could have gave", it's "could have given". ;) |
Originally Posted by Coral
One inconsistency I didn't like was that the fighting skills were greatly diminished as time went by.
The prequels show some amazing fighting skills with the lightsabers and just pure athletesism. Yet 20 years later in 4,5 and 6 their skills seems very rudentary in comparison. Lucas was in a tough situation since he could've toned down the fighting skills, but then that would make the action very tame in comparison to other current films. yeah, cause an old man who hasn't welded his saber in years other than to cut butter or a hand at a bar fighting a man on life support should be flipping around and show boating in a light saber battle. In fact, that was one of the only consistencies of the two trilogies. You see the rise and fall of the jedis. Oh, how is Luke suppose to really be total show boat in his saber skills? He's training himself for the most part of it and Yoda is too old and worn through the years to teach him his fancy foot work. It's second hand lessons. So it fits in well. |
Originally Posted by The_Infidel
Must be dickweeds popping up all over, since I'm going to throw one in, too.
It's not "could have gave", it's "could have given". ;) |
Originally Posted by DieselsDen
Ooh! Missed that one.
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Originally Posted by Coral
Can someone explain what a "midichlorian" is and why it's controversial to the Star Wars fans?
I'm not well versed in the whole Star Wars universe. |
Originally Posted by Terrell
I don't remember Lucas ever saying he had a giant book where every little plot detail and story idea was laid out in advance.
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Originally Posted by Bugg
A better question would be why Luke was sent to Tatooine, instead of Daggobah where Yoda could have given him the proper Jedi training from the proper age. -wink-
If you'll notice in ANH, when Luke starts using The Force to pilot the X-Wing over the Death Star, Vader immediately starts to sense him. Had Yoda started training Luke from infancy, I imagine he would have stood out in the Force like a beacon; one orbital bombardment later, Degobah is charcoal, no more new hope. In the novel, Yoda realizes that taking Jedi children away from their parents at a young age was the wrong thing to do, and that growing up with a loving family would create more well-rounded people. They trusted that the Force would guide Luke to him or Obiwan when the time came, and it did. And regarding the midi-chlorians, I'd like to expand on it just a smidge. There is no contradiction between the concept of midi-chlorians and what we learn of the Force in the OT. Yoda says the Force is created by all living things. QuiGon says the midi-chlorians reside in all living things continually telling us the will of the Force, that is they are the little radio antennae that allow us to pick up the signal. Now the science part is a bit dodgy, but you're still dealing with a mystical energy field that gives people telepathy, telekinesis, superstrength, etc. |
And as far as one big book goes, I guess he never really said it outright, but for so many years he said he had the whole story, he just lifted parts out of it for the OT. I guess if you hear that long enough, you start to think that he knows how it's all going to go down.
I don't consider the PT to be story-spackle either, but I admit you can tell some of it was winging it along the way. |
while all of these are great comments...why not be safe rather than sorry. end of story. i mean just change the damn thing so there would be no worry whatsoever.
so many knew the name- the emperor, vader, and can even be rationalized that Boba Fett knew it as a kid learned from father, Jango, and knowing of Anakin Skywalker during the Clone Wars (which even if the prequels weren't created, it was always said that Jango or Boba had parts in the Clone Wars. Boba then became a famed bounty hunter with this knowledge in "Star Wars". whether e and v hid it deep in their skulls or what, it is still a name and knowing another is out there somewhere might be a dead giveaway. |
You're forgetting the baisc idea that the birth of the twins was kept secret and not till the end of ANH did they ever think that there was vaders offspring some where out there.
By that time it wouldn't have mattered that he lived on a desert planet because he already was part of the rebellion. Did Fett even ever meet Anakin? Skywalker was the last name of some moisture farmer hick spec of life on a desert planet that no one ever even bothered with since it was so outside of the systems. |
Originally Posted by milo bloom
I don't consider the PT to be story-spackle either, but I admit you can tell some of it was winging it along the way.
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Did Fett even ever meet Anakin? Skywalker was the last name of some moisture farmer hick spec of life on a desert planet that no one ever even bothered with since it was so outside of the systems.
i know i am reaching in all this, but if you follow this simple logic then it dictates Luke should have been other than Skywalker. Leia took her adoptive name Organa, then Luke takes Lars. that would be the simplest way to look at it and other way would seem GL made a mistake. and by the way, how did Leia become a "Princess"? as far as i know her adoptive dad, Bail, was only a Senator in a democratic government on their home. he would have to be born a king for her to be a princess and lead a non-democratic gov't (which would be everything Leia and the rebellion were against), no? |
Leia's adoptive mother was a princess, Smits wasn't roal blood himself.
To make things even more complicated, some royal titles are earned in election and only served for a term. Example, Padme's queenship of Naboo. Besides, Luke was never adopted by Lars as Leia was by Organa. Leia became a daughter but Luke was just a nephew. |
Originally Posted by GuessWho
Besides, Luke was never adopted by Lars as Leia was by Organa. Leia became a daughter but Luke was just a nephew. The big points to me: Theoretically only one person knew Vader was Anakin- Palpatine. Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead, yet we have to assume he figures out at some point since he tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin. Same with Yoda. All we have are assumptions that they figured out. They aren't going to share that bit of info with anyone, they are both hermits in the OT, so technically only Palpatine knows who Vader is. War hero, traitor-Jedi or not, the history books will say Anakin died on the lava planet. Padme. Did she tell anyone who the father was? No. Obi-Wan was the only one who knew. Even if she did tell someone, she was still pregnant in her coffin. Luke lives on a backwater planet, living with relatives & only having a couple of friends, how is his name going to get out? |
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Luke lives on a backwater planet, living with relatives & only having a couple of friends, how is his name going to get out?
Anakin, in his transformation to the Dark Side, essentially went mad, especially when learning he had supposedly killed Padme ("NOOOOOOOO!!!"). I think through the years, in his madness (and likely obssession), he would have retained this disbelief, and searched far and wide for any trace of her existance, or at the very least any slightest instance of the name Skywalker. After all, it's his love for his family that he never fully lost, and finally letting it to come to the surface allowed him to come back to the Good Side right before he died. I think that's where Lucas' development of the Vader character ends: for the purpose of the story, we're just supposed to think he's completely evil, with no room for the love or compassion that did finally result in his redemption, when in reality (a term used very lightly when discussing the SW universe) he would have searched the universe for her. Lucas instead chose to make him consummate evil, where I assume the Emperor kept him in check, and pretty much under his control. In the more likely scenario, all Vader, or anyone working for him, had to do is open a SW version of the phone book. Sure, Tattooine is out of the way, and we can figure that the Lars family did their best to keep Luke's existance quiet (hence keeping him from joining the rebellion), but even as there's electricity in Kentucky (no offense, MC), surely someone could have found a Skywalker on a desert planet. Luke had friends, and it's safe to say those friends went out to the far reaches of the galaxy during their lives, and surely they heard the stories of how Vader used to be Anakin Skywalker, and some dumb shit probably said out loud at some point "Hey, I know a Skywalker!" Look at what happened in LOTR: Frodo was essentially a nobody from a little Shire, and no-one ever heard of him outside of the Shire. A few drinks in a pub, and one statement from Pippin later, and his name is out there for all Middle Earth to ponder. But, like Lucas, and I'm sure a lot of fans, would say, it's just a story, Vader was evil and didn't look for anyone, nobody knew of Luke, and that's it. :) |
But...The death star is in orbit around Saturn right now:
http://www.nineplanets.org/mimas.html
Originally Posted by devilshalo
Shit.. I'm still trying to figure out how the Death Star's propulsion systems work and how fast that thing goes. I mean, here on Earth, astronomers are able to view asteroids beyond say Saturn and Jupiter with possibilities of impacting us. Did no one on Alderaan look up and say, "Now where the hell did that moon come from? That's rather peculiar, don't ya think?"
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I always heard the Tatooine DMV was so inefficient and you would end up waiting hours, that it wasn't worth it for ObiWan to change his last name, and to change Lukes last name on their social security cards either. So they stuck with Kenobi and Skywalker. I mean Kenobi has to use all his time learning the force ghost trick, because Lucas couldn't take more than 30 seconds to make a nice explanation about it in ROTS.
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Scott, you won't receive an official answer until Star Wars: Episode 7: March of the Apologists.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Theoretically only one person knew Vader was Anakin- Palpatine. Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead, yet we have to assume he figures out at some point since he tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin. Same with Yoda. All we have are assumptions that they figured out.
Obi-Wan & Yoda saw the security hologram in Episode III. Didn't Palapatine call Anakin "Vader" in that transmission? |
Scott, you won't receive an official answer until Star Wars: Episode 7: March of the Apologists. |
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