Brokeback Mountain opening Dec. 9
01-19-06, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Yep, and I have no problems with this.
Ultimately though, this is why I didnt like the movie (my own conclusion) because I didnt like the characters (mainly Ennis). I didnt have sympathy for him and couldnt connect.
Mainly, I feel pressure from people (some that I know) "if you dont like brokeback mountain, then you dont support gays". I think hollywood is like this to right now. Just look at how Nathan Lane was criticized for his comments about the movie. Its ridiculous.
Ultimately though, this is why I didnt like the movie (my own conclusion) because I didnt like the characters (mainly Ennis). I didnt have sympathy for him and couldnt connect.
Mainly, I feel pressure from people (some that I know) "if you dont like brokeback mountain, then you dont support gays". I think hollywood is like this to right now. Just look at how Nathan Lane was criticized for his comments about the movie. Its ridiculous.
Just because something is gay and I am gay too does not mean I'm going to like it. I don't watch Will and Grace, I don't own any Rufus Wainwright, Melissa Etheridge, Elton John, or k.d. Lang CDs (just not my type of music).
01-19-06, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I dont know about that. BUT, I think Crash IS trying to send a message.
Whereas I think Brokeback Mountain actually does a disservice to gays and their lifestyle. I think it shows them as weak, negligent and driven by lust.
Again, like I said before, if this movie had been about the 2 ranchers who sacrificed and lived their life the way they wanted to, it would have been a good political message (like Philadelphia).
Whereas I think Brokeback Mountain actually does a disservice to gays and their lifestyle. I think it shows them as weak, negligent and driven by lust.
Again, like I said before, if this movie had been about the 2 ranchers who sacrificed and lived their life the way they wanted to, it would have been a good political message (like Philadelphia).
01-19-06, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
Personally, I find Nathan Lane annoying as hell. That said, I would not think you are "against gays" for not liking the film. You have your reasons for not liking the film and they are not because the characters are gay.
Just because something is gay and I am gay too does not mean I'm going to like it. I don't watch Will and Grace, I don't own any Rufus Wainwright, Melissa Etheridge, Elton John, or k.d. Lang CDs (just not my type of music).
Just because something is gay and I am gay too does not mean I'm going to like it. I don't watch Will and Grace, I don't own any Rufus Wainwright, Melissa Etheridge, Elton John, or k.d. Lang CDs (just not my type of music).
Oh...and before Tracer gets bitchy, it's not a fact. It's just my opinion and experience.
01-19-06, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
Have YOU met Paul Haggis?
At least critics I know and respect have similarly good taste.
At least critics I know and respect have similarly good taste.
And I disagree that you have good taste.
01-19-06, 04:34 PM
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Im going to watch Capote and The Matador this weekend.
I might even give Brokeback another watch just because I want to see if there are things that I didnt catch.
Ive already paid my ticket, so ill just dl the screener for another viewing. That way I can pause it when i get bored.
Ive noticed that sometimes I like slower paced movies when watching at home instead of at the theater.
I might even give Brokeback another watch just because I want to see if there are things that I didnt catch.
Ive already paid my ticket, so ill just dl the screener for another viewing. That way I can pause it when i get bored.
Ive noticed that sometimes I like slower paced movies when watching at home instead of at the theater.
01-19-06, 04:38 PM
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So do they pay you program film festivals too, since your taste is so good? How many films do you see per year? I've seen over 60 in the last 18 days as part of my job. Tell me when you've seen these, which are my current Top 8 list of 2006:
1. Le Filmeur (Alain Cavalier)
2. Play (Alicia Scherson)
3. Someone Else's Happiness (Fien Troch)
4. Dead Run (Sabu)
5. You and Me (Ma Liwen)
6. Joni's Promise (Joko Anwar)
7. 4:30 (Royston Tan)
8. State of Fear (Pamela Yates)
Back to topic: I'll be meeting Ang Lee on Saturday. He's having a seminar with Chow Yun-Fat and Andy Lau, and after there'll be a party for the HK release of the film. I've been invited, so if you have questions for Ang let me see if I can ask him
1. Le Filmeur (Alain Cavalier)
2. Play (Alicia Scherson)
3. Someone Else's Happiness (Fien Troch)
4. Dead Run (Sabu)
5. You and Me (Ma Liwen)
6. Joni's Promise (Joko Anwar)
7. 4:30 (Royston Tan)
8. State of Fear (Pamela Yates)
Back to topic: I'll be meeting Ang Lee on Saturday. He's having a seminar with Chow Yun-Fat and Andy Lau, and after there'll be a party for the HK release of the film. I've been invited, so if you have questions for Ang let me see if I can ask him
01-19-06, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
So do they pay you program film festivals too, since your taste is so good? How many films do you see per year? I've seen over 60 in the last 18 days as part of my job. Tell me when you've seen these, which are my current Top 8 list of 2006:
1. Le Filmeur (Alain Cavalier)
2. Play (Alicia Scherson)
3. Someone Else's Happiness (Fien Troch)
4. Dead Run (Sabu)
5. You and Me (Ma Liwen)
6. Joni's Promise (Joko Anwar)
7. 4:30 (Royston Tan)
8. State of Fear (Pamela Yates)
Back to topic: I'll be meeting Ang Lee on Saturday. He's having a seminar with Chow Yun-Fat and Andy Lau, and after there'll be a party for the HK release of the film. I've been invited, so if you have questions for Ang let me see if I can ask him
1. Le Filmeur (Alain Cavalier)
2. Play (Alicia Scherson)
3. Someone Else's Happiness (Fien Troch)
4. Dead Run (Sabu)
5. You and Me (Ma Liwen)
6. Joni's Promise (Joko Anwar)
7. 4:30 (Royston Tan)
8. State of Fear (Pamela Yates)
Back to topic: I'll be meeting Ang Lee on Saturday. He's having a seminar with Chow Yun-Fat and Andy Lau, and after there'll be a party for the HK release of the film. I've been invited, so if you have questions for Ang let me see if I can ask him
We get it.
Your cock is bigger.
Back off.
01-19-06, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
I've been invited, so if you have questions for Ang let me see if I can ask him
Seriously, id like to know if the last part of Brokeback mountain was all in Ennis's mind (as ebert's review suggests). I was thinking the same thing when it was over (along with 'thank god! its over!'
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01-19-06, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Oh...and before Tracer gets bitchy, it's not a fact. It's just my opinion and experience.
01-19-06, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Well, the subject matter alone is all you hear about. When I hear about this movie being discussed on tv, all we hear about is how its a gay love story.
Again, just my opinion, but I think if it didnt have anything to do with homosexuality (I know its hard to fathom given the story) then it wouldnt be as popular.
If it had been about race or so on, then it wouldnt be getting the accolades (and as discussed earlier, probably getting criticism).
Again, just my opinion, but I think if it didnt have anything to do with homosexuality (I know its hard to fathom given the story) then it wouldnt be as popular.
If it had been about race or so on, then it wouldnt be getting the accolades (and as discussed earlier, probably getting criticism).
Brokeback Mountain doesn't ask us to approve of homosexuality. But it does ask us to face up to the truth of what homosexuality is and how profoundly it impacts the person who finds him- or herself so afflicted. Most importantly, it raises the question of whether we who don't approve of it as morally right shouldn't feel more compassion toward friends, family members and neighbors who find themselves in that painful dilemma through no fault of their own. After all, the crux of their pain lies in the very fact that they don't approve of it either. And they can appreciate all too well what parents, fellow church members or hunting buddies might think if they were to find out, because it would be the same horrified reaction as their own, and they are quite frankly scared to death.
So true.
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01-19-06, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TracerBullet
You know, I read this post and was nodding in agreement until I got to this part. I guess I should know never to disagree with you or get labeled "bitchy".
01-19-06, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
So do they pay you program film festivals too, since your taste is so good? How many films do you see per year? I've seen over 60 in the last 18 days as part of my job. Tell me when you've seen these, which are my current Top 8 list of 2006:
And anybody can see 60 movies in 18 days. How you correlate that feat into an assumption of your own good taste is baffling to me. But hey, many things about you are.
I do thank you for showing off your command of obscure foreign cinema. Good luck with that. And to your "top 8" list.
01-19-06, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
If the general public (and I am not saying everyone) didnt have such a big problem with Homosexuality, then when it was discussed on TV it wouldnt have to be brought up that it was a gay love story.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
True, but in my opinion, that aspect is the only driving force behind the film. And, the reason for all the wins. I think there were better films out for 2005.
I'm sure you could come up with an excuse why every film wins each year if you really wanted to.
01-19-06, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I dont believe that for a second. If they were just going to give awards to a gay film, why not Latter Days because it deals with Latter Day Saints and Homesexuality.
I'm sure you could come up with an excuse why every film wins each year if you really wanted to.
I'm sure you could come up with an excuse why every film wins each year if you really wanted to.
Is Brokeback a very good FILM? Yeah. Is it a great MOVIE? Hell no.
How do you know until you've tried it?
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01-19-06, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
True, but in my opinion, that aspect is the only driving force behind the film. And, the reason for all the wins. I think there were better films out for 2005.
For you to claim that it's only popular because it's gay is either biased or ignorant. Hollywood hasn't been waiting to award a rash of gay films. Gay films have been few and far between in Hollywood, and this is just the biggest and best so far. And we still have a long way to go, considering hardly any gay people were creatively involved in this project at all.
01-19-06, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Seriously, id like to know if the last part of Brokeback mountain was all in Ennis's mind (as ebert's review suggests). I was thinking the same thing when it was over (along with 'thank god! its over!' ).
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01-19-06, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adamblast
1)And Ang Lee has captured movie magic in a bottle with Heath's performance, which, even if it doesn't win Best Actor will be legendary for a generation.
2) For you to claim that it's only popular because it's gay is either biased or ignorant.
2) For you to claim that it's only popular because it's gay is either biased or ignorant.
2) I've said the same thing and I'm gay. Does that mean i fall into the "ignorant" category?
01-19-06, 08:07 PM
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I'd say you're biased against leisurely-paced formal or lyrical dramas, at a complete guess. Or can't relate to the oppression these guys are under. As for why Heath's performance is so good, all I could do is point to this-or-that scene and talk about why it moved me so much. You're not interested in that.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Because Brokeback is leaps and bounds better than Latter Days in every artistic aspect.
01-19-06, 08:16 PM
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For me Latter Days is like Big Eden, a bit too CBS dramedy to be a great movie, predictable and safe, but very popular, and deservedly so. I think they were both distorted by their film festival ambitions. Both worth a rental and even repeat viewing, but not great films.