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Old 10-31-05, 06:20 PM
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Jobs ready to sell Pixar.. to Disney

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news.../pixar_disney/

Jobs ready to sell Pixar: Report
Newspaper says animated studio head open to the right deal; receptive to offer from partner Disney.

October 31, 2005: 9:08 AM EST

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Steve Jobs, the chairman and CEO of Pixar Animation Studios, would be open to a sale of the company at the right price, according to a published report.

The New York Times reports Jobs, who owns about 50 percent of Pixar (Research), would want a strong premium to its current $5.9 billion market capitalization to consider a sale, but he would be open to an offer from its long-time partner, Walt Disney Co. (Research) The paper attributed Jobs' willingness to consider a sale to "two people with knowledge of the talks" now taking place between Disney and Pixar about possibly extending their partnership.

But the paper reports that in talks about a new version of their partnership, Disney CEO Robert Iger has yet to make an offer to acquire Pixar. The paper reports that Disney is hoping that its new animated feature, "Chicken Little," due in theaters this weekend, will give it greater leverage in talks with Pixar.

"Chicken Little" is the first offering from Disney's animation studio since it was revamped to produce computer-generated features that have a three-dimension look, rather than the traditional hand-drawn two-dimensional cartoons.

Pixar has produced only CG features and nothing but blockbusters since it started producing movies in 1995, while many of the Disney-generated animated movies during the period were considered box office flops.

The Times reports that if "Chicken Little" is a hit, it would show Wall Street and Jobs that Disney need not depend on Pixar for creation of new animated movie characters that could be adapted for theme park rides, consumer products and television.

The movie has gotten generally favorable early word, but if it is not well received by critics or moviegoers, the paper reports that Jobs will gain leverage in his talks with Disney because the media conglomerate would be seen as relying on Pixar to add new stories to its creative arsenal.

If the movie performs poorly, Bernstein & Co. media analyst Michael Nathanson told the paper, "investors might want to see a Pixar deal right behind it." Still, he added, "it's all about numbers, and both sides - Disney and Pixar - are looking for leverage."

Pixar has strong cash reserves and no longer needs Disney's to help finance films, so it is looking for a distribution agreement for a far larger percent of the box office than the 50 percent it receives under the current deal with Disney.

But while there are likely to be other studios willing to distribute Pixar films, analysts see Disney as best positioned to promote future Pixar films and its characters due to theme parks and strong merchandise sales channels.

Jobs would evaluate any Pixar partnership based on where he could get the best deal for the studio, the paper reports, not on his developing friendship with Iger. Jobs often sparred with Iger's predecessor, Michael Eisner. The Disney Channel and ABC, other units of Disney, recently signed a deal to distribute shows on the new video version of the Apple Computer (Research) iPod. Jobs is also Chairman and CEO of Apple.

The Times reports that detailed negotiations between Disney and Pixar are likely to begin in mid-November and could be wrapped up by late December or early January, said one of the paper's sources. The studios have several issues to grapple with, according to the paper, including who would have creative oversight over new Pixar characters at Disney theme parks and how revenue from rides and other attractions would be split.
though, honestly.. without Eisner around this isn't a "OH SHIT!" moment.
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It would be strange to see Pixar movies released by other studios, would they maintain the family image? I think they might delve into more "hardcore" PG ratings. Maybe not, who knows though?

I bet Disney buys Pixar, they're such a solid company (Pixar) that Disney really couldn't go on without them, I think. THough I don't know how this would affect Toy Story 3.

And I don't know if I'm reading this right, but is Disney NOT making 2d feature-lengths any more? That would be a shame
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Not to long ago Disney decided to scale down their 2-D animation subdivisions and closed the animation department in Florida. The only remains seem to have been squeezed into the Burbank studios. So for the most part, Disney is no longer investing much interest in 2-D animation anymore and focusing on CG features.
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thats so sad
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I don't care how good 3d animation looks, there is no substiture for good 2d animation. I guess we have anime at least.
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Pixar has strong cash reserves and no longer needs Disney's to help finance films, so it is looking for a distribution agreement for a far larger percent of the box office than the 50 percent it receives under the current deal with Disney.
If I was Iger, I would say, okay! You pay for everything, including 100% of the cost of the and marketing. You also pay for the DVD marketing. If it goes belly up, you suffer the consequences.

Disney really couldn't go on without them
Don't kid yourself. Disney was here long before anyone ever heard of Pixar, they'll be here long after Pixar is gone.
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If I was Iger, I would say, okay! You pay for everything, including 100% of the cost of the and marketing. You also pay for the DVD marketing. If it goes belly up, you suffer the consequences.
And if you were Iger, well...you'd never be Iger because you clearly have no business acumen, but Pixar would have nothing to do with you since there are plenty of other studios in town willing to negotiate.
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Disney is the top dog when it comes to marketing a kids films to kids. Not to mention a majority of those studios have their own in house animation department they want to get off the ground. So why not go with the company that has a history with you and doesn't have Eisner?
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Probably right that the success of Chicken Little will have a lot to do with whether or not this happens. From the ads, it looks pretty poor to me, but I tend to think that any 3D CG movie does well, no matter how poorly it sucks. At least recently. I though Ice Age was very mediocre.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
From the ads, it looks pretty poor to me
Having seen CHICKEN LITTLE, I will say that the picture is mediocre at best. And I think most animation fans will agree. It's a little too Dreamworksy for my taste.

The marketing will give it an opening weekend to die for, but after that, I could see this seriously underperforming.

Disney needs Pixar.
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Pixar has produced only CG features and nothing but blockbusters since it started producing movies in 1995, while many of the Disney-generated animated movies during the period were considered box office flops.

The Times reports that if "Chicken Little" is a hit, it would show Wall Street and Jobs that Disney need not depend on Pixar for creation of new animated movie characters that could be adapted for theme park rides, consumer products and television.
This is the reason why Disney animated features in the last decade have flopped. They don't emphasize story and characters like the Pixar films do, rather they make movies that will generate the most money through the most tie-ins possible, just like a certain person in California.
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Disney is the top dog when it comes to marketing a kids films to kids. Not to mention a majority of those studios have their own in house animation department they want to get off the ground. So why not go with the company that has a history with you and doesn't have Eisner?
Yeah, but look how far Dreamworks has come. They've had some huge hits (Shrek 1 and 2) and some moderate ones (Madagascar, Shark Tale). Sure, they aren't Pixar monster box office draws, but they make a butt load of money.
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Dreamworks has had their own issues lately. Sure the animation department isn't up for grabs. But dreamworks going back and forth with Universal in talks to sell and not sell shows that they feel they can't run with the big boys when it comes to being a studio. I doubt they will be willing to invest a lot of money and distribute Pixar films. Besides that, if they do sell to anyone, whomever buys has the option to distribute the dreamworks animation films. So.. let me get this straight.. a studio who doesn't even distribute their own films will option to distribute Pixars films?

Not to mention that without Eisner at Disney, Jobs and Iger have extended their olive branch towards each other. So I don't see why Jobs wouldn't want to work with Disney again.

Originally Posted by scott shelton
Having seen CHICKEN LITTLE, I will say that the picture is mediocre at best. And I think most animation fans will agree. It's a little too Dreamworksy for my taste.

The marketing will give it an opening weekend to die for, but after that, I could see this seriously underperforming.

Disney needs Pixar.

I disagree. I saw it twice and it held up both viewings. Zach brought a lot to the table and the kids will love it. When it comes to films that kid re-watchablity factors in heavy and with nothing really big for kids in the pipe line it should stay strong for weeks to come.
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
I disagree. I saw it twice and it held up both viewings. Zach brought a lot to the table and the kids will love it. When it comes to films that kid re-watchablity factors in heavy and with nothing really big for kids in the pipe line it should stay strong for weeks to come.
I'm glad you liked it. I would agree that Braff does incredible voicework.

But with ZATHURA on 11/11, HARRY POTTER on 11/18, and YOURS, MINE & OURS on 11/25, it doesn't look like clear sailing to me.
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I don't care who OWNS Pixar as long as the guys behind the actual magic are still there (Lassenter, Stanton, Doctor, etc.) and are allowed to do what they want. They're all Disney guys to begin with so I'm sure they'd be glad to be under their umbrella again and I also wouldn't be surprised if they were anxious to get rid of Jobs as is considering the amount of sissy-fighting he and Eisner have put over the real muscle behind Pixar's films.
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Yeah, but look how far Dreamworks has come. They've had some huge hits (Shrek 1 and 2) and some moderate ones (Madagascar, Shark Tale). Sure, they aren't Pixar monster box office draws, but they make a butt load of money.
While I really liked Shrek, I thought Shark Tale was a huge disappointment. Haven't seen Madagascar yet, but don't really have any desire, either.
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It's amazing to me how far behind Chicken Little's animation seems compared to other CG animation. I saw a preview for Chicken Little right before a preview for DW's new "Over the Hedge" and Over the Hedge's animation looked twice as good as Chicken Little's.
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Originally Posted by Deftones
Yeah, but look how far Dreamworks has come. They've had some huge hits (Shrek 1 and 2) and some moderate ones (Madagascar, Shark Tale). Sure, they aren't Pixar monster box office draws, but they make a butt load of money.
Dreamworks

SHREK - 484 mil worldwide

SHREK 2 - 920 mil worldwide

MADAGASCAR - 520 mil worldwide

SHARK TALE - 363 mil worldwide

Pixar

INCREDIBLES - 631 mil worldwide

FINDING NEMO - 864 mil worldwide

MONSTERS, INC - 525 mil worldwide

TOY STORY 2 - 485 mil worldwide



I say they are evenly matched.
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It's amazing to me how far behind Chicken Little's animation seems compared to other CG animation. I saw a preview for Chicken Little right before a preview for DW's new "Over the Hedge" and Over the Hedge's animation looked twice as good as Chicken Little's.
I hope this doesn't become a problem where people are so concerned with the "graphics" being better than the last thing they saw that they disregard their ability to effectively create a believable world and characters in the context of the story.
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It's amazing to me how far behind Chicken Little's animation seems compared to other CG animation. I saw a preview for Chicken Little right before a preview for DW's new "Over the Hedge" and Over the Hedge's animation looked twice as good as Chicken Little's.
I think it's the style of animation you don't like, not the quality. I'll argue that the quality of Disney's animation is second to none.
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Bad move. That means they would bastardize all the good movies Pixar has done already. Disney planning to make lots more Toy Stories without Pixar's involvement would be enough for me to stay away from them.
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Bad move. That means they would bastardize all the good movies Pixar has done already. Disney planning to make lots more Toy Stories without Pixar's involvement would be enough for me to stay away from them.
I disagree, I see it as a great move. Back under Disney, Pixar will probably be given full control of any Toy Story sequel in production.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Probably right that the success of Chicken Little will have a lot to do with whether or not this happens. From the ads, it looks pretty poor to me, but I tend to think that any 3D CG movie does well, no matter how poorly it sucks. At least recently. I though Ice Age was very mediocre.
It looks pretty dull to me too. From the ads I've seen, it appears to be too similar to the recent CG bird flick Valiant, which from what I remember bombed pretty badly. The first time I saw the Chicken Little preview, I actually thought it WAS for Valiant, and was like "Didn't that movie come and go already?"
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I think it's the style of animation you don't like, not the quality. I'll argue that the quality of Disney's animation is second to none.
In 2d? Sure. I think Pixar & DW are far better than Disney though.
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My thoughts about Dreamworks:
The only reason why their non-Shrek movies make ANY money is because most consumers are too stupid to know the differrence between a Pixar movie and a Pixar rip-off.


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