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riley_dude 01-09-06 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by DVD King
Maybe then you should reevaluate what you come to the theater for; there's plenty of movies playing right now that will do what you ask. If films were all about asking questions and then giving answers it would be a very boring world.

Yeah, silly me for actually wanting an ending to the movie after paying $10.00.

seymouru 01-09-06 09:49 AM

The movie did have an ending. It just didn't have the pat ending you wanted, with closure and clarity. Jim Jarmusch doesn't make movies like that. He makes movies that you have to add meaning to on your own. For some moviegoers, that type of ending is worth $10, if not more...

riley_dude 01-09-06 06:12 PM

Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.

calhoun07 01-09-06 06:33 PM

I watched this one recently with great anticipation. It wasn't over hyped anticipation, as I hadn't heard too much about the movie other than that it got good reviews and people were saying it was Bill Murray's best role of his career. So I went into this movie without really expecting too much, other than to find another great Bill Murray movie, and a great follow up to the brilliant Lost in Translation.

I am also not one who needs movies to have a tidy, pat ending. I don't mind movies that make me think after I turn the movie off. In fact, I prefer movies like that. I like movies that make you think, and challenge you.

However, I just found this movie to be such a collosal disappointment. It wasn't as disappointing as I found Punch Drunk Love to be, but it was nearly as bad. First off, I don't see why people get all orgasmic over Bill Murray's performance when he's basically playing a character the same way through the entire movie. He shows NO range of acting here. Oh, I guess there are subtle things he brings to the role, but the person who described him as "comatose" pretty much nailed it on the head. This was the role of his life??? I don't have the reviews in front of me that said that, but for anybody who said that in a review, geez....go and watch some Bill Murray movies. I sure hope the guy gets something better next time to display his wonderful talents. He was wasted in this movie, totally wasted. He showed more acting range and ability in Garfield.

And the ending....as I said, I don't mind movies that make you wonder. But all that I wondered and thoght about after watching this movie is how the hell do I get the two hours of my life back. It's one thing when a movie leaves you thinking if you care about the characters and the story in question, but this was just such an empty experience.

I guess this movie will find fans who enjoy it. Hell, there are people who honestly like Garfield and Soul Plane too. But here's hoping Lost City is a better movie for Murray's abilities to act.

riley_dude 01-09-06 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by calhoun07
I watched this one recently with great anticipation. It wasn't over hyped anticipation, as I hadn't heard too much about the movie other than that it got good reviews and people were saying it was Bill Murray's best role of his career. So I went into this movie without really expecting too much, other than to find another great Bill Murray movie, and a great follow up to the brilliant Lost in Translation.

I am also not one who needs movies to have a tidy, pat ending. I don't mind movies that make me think after I turn the movie off. In fact, I prefer movies like that. I like movies that make you think, and challenge you.
And the ending....as I said, I don't mind movies that make you wonder. But all that I wondered and thoght about after watching this movie is how the hell do I get the two hours of my life back. It's one thing when a movie leaves you thinking if you care about the characters and the story in question, but this was just such an empty experience.

Thanks for putting it into words better than I did calhoun07.

DVD King 01-09-06 09:31 PM

Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?


Originally Posted by riley_dude
Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.

The best filmmakers make films that involve you, that reflect your experiences and make you question your life-- rather than speak at you. If you get upset over a film like this i'd like to see your reaction to David Lynch's work.

calhoun07 01-09-06 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by DVD King
Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?

I like movies of this nature over all (and am a fan of David Lynch) but this movie did not work for me. There are other things, of course. Overall, none of the characters pulled me in to really care either way for what was going on with them. I wanted to like this movie, and thought I would eventually buy it (I got to see it on a free rental first). Heck, I would have driven out of my way to see this at a theater if it had been playing in my area. Movies like this are generally my cup of tea, but not all of them work, and I don't think this one worked. It has worked for a lot of others, which is cool, but I didn't care for it.

riley_dude 01-09-06 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by DVD King
Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?



The best filmmakers make films that involve you, that reflect your experiences and make you question your life-- rather than speak at you. If you get upset over a film like this i'd like to see your reaction to David Lynch's work.

I love Lynch's work. I love complex movies. I loved the movie from a few years ago called "You can count on me" which was a rather dramatic piece. It reminded me of Broken Flowers in some repects and it also had imbiguous ending but I think that it worked much better.

LiquidSky 01-10-06 11:25 AM

Watched this last night. I am a huge Jarmush fan (Stranger Than Paradise, Mystery Train, and Night On Earth being my favorites). His last two films have disappointed me a bit:

Coffee and Cigarettes: C
Broken Flowers: B-

I liked the open ending in "Broken Flowers".

darkside 01-14-06 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by riley_dude
Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.

Yeah, god forbid a movie actually make you think and discuss it afterwards.

auto 01-14-06 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by LiquidSky
Watched this last night. I am a huge Jarmush fan (Stranger Than Paradise, Mystery Train, and Night On Earth being my favorites). His last two films have disappointed me a bit:

Coffee and Cigarettes: C
Broken Flowers: B-

I liked the open ending in "Broken Flowers".

I agree with you completely. Although I would probably grade C&C a D+.

H8nXTC 01-15-06 05:11 PM

I think I get it now after reading a quote by Bergman "...the questions are more important than the answers." Doesn't mean I have to like it if they are put out there and I have to come up with the answers. I would compare this as with an artist telling me they're going to make a great painting and describing it with colors and sketching the beginning with pencil on the canvas and then never applying the oils and never completing it.

DamingR 01-16-06 10:05 AM

I will admit that it took me two days of thinking about this movie after seeing it in the theater to figure it out. The first 24 hours after seeing it, I was pissed. Then, I figured it out. Now, I think I'll buy it after a price drop. Pretty excellent movie, but not one that can be digested in 2 hours.

JaxComet 01-17-06 01:50 PM

:) At least the nude scene was good........

Brent L 02-13-06 01:41 AM

What do you guys think of the following post from the IMDB boards?

Spoiler:
Sherry (Julie Delpy) leaves Don (Bill Murray) at the start of the film because he's afraid of marriage, children, responsibilities, etc. She doesn't want to be the next woman he dumps before moving on to another.

But she's not leaving him for good, she's cooked up a little plan with the well meaning but nosy neighbour Winston (Jeffrey Wright) an amateur detective, to teach Don the importance of a family and a strong long term relationship. A few days before she goes, she posts to Don's address, a letter typed on pink paper, in a pink envolope addressed in red ink. The letter, which is unsigned to confuse him, tells Don that he has a 19 year old son.

Winston, being in on the plan, is fairly certain that Don will share the letter's contents with him, if not he can go to his house and pretend to see it somewhere. If Don is unresponsive, Sherry and Winston will keep sending letters until he reacts.

Don is unmoved by the letter at first, he thinks it's a prank. We watch Winston's comical attempts to coerce Don on going on a trip around America to visit all of his old girlfriends from twenty years ago to discover who sent him the letter. There is only this explanation for Winston's burning curiosity to solve this mystery. Finally he's successful, and Don agrees to take the trip.

Sherry and Winston might not know exactly what it is that Don will discover, but they hope it teaches him a much needed lesson in love and life.

When Don returns to find another pink envelope with no proper postal address, only "Don" written on the front in red ink, he opens it to find out it's from Sherry. He takes it to Winston who makes a big show of analysing the handwriting on both envelopes, but I think he knows that Don knows it was partially a trick.

Don's trip down memory lane has left him a little shaken, and although he knows there is no son, he cannot help but feel kindly towards the young man he's seen both at the airport and outside the restaurant. He thinks Sherry's set the boy up for this trick, so he buys him lunch and talks to him, and starts to say "Look, I know you think I'm your father..." but of course, the boy runs away thinking Don's a freak. And Don, despite knowing the truth, feels dissapointed, because he wishes he had a son.

The story is about facing one's life and death too. Don has no legacy, nothing for the world to remember him by. He has a string of ex girlfriends and an IT company, but his personal life lacks much meaning and emotion. By contrast Winston's life is rich with happiness, and the full range of emotions because of his five children and wife. The bright colours in Winston's house are not so much Ethiopian symbols as they are to show the contrast between his richly colourful life and Don's drab and grey life.

The wilted pink roses in Don's house are a symbol of lost love and dying hope, the bright pink flowers he takes to all of his ex girlfriends show that with each passing day, he's learning something else, and the light is coming back to his life. By the time he meets Sun Green (Pell James) who gives him the loveliest boquet of all the one's featured in the film, the allusion is unmistakable. He visits his dead ex-girlfriend's grave and it's over there that he realises that he doesn't want to die alone.

The film is all about mementos. Laura Miller (Sharon Stone) may have a dead husband and a lolita for a daughter, but Lolita (Alexis Dziena) is the brightness of her life, the memento of her love. By contrast, Dora Anderson (Frances Conroy) and Penny (Tilda Swinton) are both unhappy without children. The photo that Don's taken of Dora as young woman is her husband's favourite, but he'll never know who took it. Don asks Dora if the pearls she's wearing are a gift from him, but they're not,there's nothing that she will remember him by. Carmen is unhappy to see him, clearly he'll never live on in her memories.

All this makes Don realise what the most important things in life are. Sun Green's kindness and the temporary bond he forges with the wandering kid (Mark Webber) are the lesson that Sherry and Winston wanted to teach Don.

maingon 02-13-06 10:33 AM

i liked the movie but didnt think it ended good, the ending seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed like you missed the last half hour,

riley_dude 02-13-06 11:53 AM

The comments from imdb above make more sense then the movie.

Trigger 02-13-06 02:02 PM

I remember having liked it.

Drop 02-13-06 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by riley_dude
The comments from imdb above make more sense then the movie.

Not if you've seen the movie they don't. It's too much of a conspiracy for my taste. I think it was just random how this shit happened. Although that person does bring up a lot of good points.

I like the fact that the film is ambiguous. To me the whole film is summarized in what Don's philosophy to the kid is: "All there is, is this the present". For us to go any further with the ending would be require a serious jump into the future. Defeating what Don has just learned.

MaudlinHarold 02-13-06 08:39 PM

I find the conspiracy issue interesting, but I don't think that's what they were aiming for (not that I've never been wrong!). Regardless, I find it interesting and it does make sense.

For me, the crucial part of the ending is when he thinks he finds his son, then chases the kid and winds up in the intersection. When the camera pans around him you see a sort of heightened anxiety, a level of awareness, that wasn't there at the beginning when he was numbed-out. For me, that was the revelation. Sort of like he's awake now and that wherever he is, in his periphery he'll always wonder where his son is. I don't see it as an ambiguous ending. I see it as an awakening. This curious journey through an almost-past has revealed that there's a world outside the little nook he's wedged himself in.

Then again, who knows. And I guess that's what makes it ambiguous (even if for me it ain't). I haven't seen it since it first came out, but I just bought it PVD. I plan on watching it this weekend with a fresh eye.

Charlie Goose 12-28-06 07:15 AM

Finally saw this the other day on HBO. It's the first movie in a very long time that has me excited to watch it again. Although I can understand the frustration that some people have because of the ambiguity of the ending, I didn't mind it. The important part was his redemption, and Murray played it perfectly.

Trigger 12-28-06 06:15 PM

started reading the conspiracy thing - gave up because it sounded stupid. It all hinged on the idea that a minor character we only caught a glimpse of at the beginning of the movie had enough depth and intelligence that she planned all this out. She would have to know how Bill would behave in a given situation and he doesn't appear to be the type to share much of anything with anyone and it's pretty much the reason she was leaving him.


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