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Originally Posted by DVD King
Maybe then you should reevaluate what you come to the theater for; there's plenty of movies playing right now that will do what you ask. If films were all about asking questions and then giving answers it would be a very boring world.
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The movie did have an ending. It just didn't have the pat ending you wanted, with closure and clarity. Jim Jarmusch doesn't make movies like that. He makes movies that you have to add meaning to on your own. For some moviegoers, that type of ending is worth $10, if not more...
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Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.
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I watched this one recently with great anticipation. It wasn't over hyped anticipation, as I hadn't heard too much about the movie other than that it got good reviews and people were saying it was Bill Murray's best role of his career. So I went into this movie without really expecting too much, other than to find another great Bill Murray movie, and a great follow up to the brilliant Lost in Translation.
I am also not one who needs movies to have a tidy, pat ending. I don't mind movies that make me think after I turn the movie off. In fact, I prefer movies like that. I like movies that make you think, and challenge you. However, I just found this movie to be such a collosal disappointment. It wasn't as disappointing as I found Punch Drunk Love to be, but it was nearly as bad. First off, I don't see why people get all orgasmic over Bill Murray's performance when he's basically playing a character the same way through the entire movie. He shows NO range of acting here. Oh, I guess there are subtle things he brings to the role, but the person who described him as "comatose" pretty much nailed it on the head. This was the role of his life??? I don't have the reviews in front of me that said that, but for anybody who said that in a review, geez....go and watch some Bill Murray movies. I sure hope the guy gets something better next time to display his wonderful talents. He was wasted in this movie, totally wasted. He showed more acting range and ability in Garfield. And the ending....as I said, I don't mind movies that make you wonder. But all that I wondered and thoght about after watching this movie is how the hell do I get the two hours of my life back. It's one thing when a movie leaves you thinking if you care about the characters and the story in question, but this was just such an empty experience. I guess this movie will find fans who enjoy it. Hell, there are people who honestly like Garfield and Soul Plane too. But here's hoping Lost City is a better movie for Murray's abilities to act. |
Originally Posted by calhoun07
I watched this one recently with great anticipation. It wasn't over hyped anticipation, as I hadn't heard too much about the movie other than that it got good reviews and people were saying it was Bill Murray's best role of his career. So I went into this movie without really expecting too much, other than to find another great Bill Murray movie, and a great follow up to the brilliant Lost in Translation.
I am also not one who needs movies to have a tidy, pat ending. I don't mind movies that make me think after I turn the movie off. In fact, I prefer movies like that. I like movies that make you think, and challenge you. And the ending....as I said, I don't mind movies that make you wonder. But all that I wondered and thoght about after watching this movie is how the hell do I get the two hours of my life back. It's one thing when a movie leaves you thinking if you care about the characters and the story in question, but this was just such an empty experience. |
Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?
Originally Posted by riley_dude
Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.
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Originally Posted by DVD King
Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?
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Originally Posted by DVD King
Calhoun I don't see how you can talk about Murray's disappointing performance your whole argument and then slip in that the movie was a 2 hour waste of time. Just not your cup of tea or what?
The best filmmakers make films that involve you, that reflect your experiences and make you question your life-- rather than speak at you. If you get upset over a film like this i'd like to see your reaction to David Lynch's work. |
Watched this last night. I am a huge Jarmush fan (Stranger Than Paradise, Mystery Train, and Night On Earth being my favorites). His last two films have disappointed me a bit:
Coffee and Cigarettes: C Broken Flowers: B- I liked the open ending in "Broken Flowers". |
Originally Posted by riley_dude
Ohhh, I get it. WE have to make up the ending.
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
Watched this last night. I am a huge Jarmush fan (Stranger Than Paradise, Mystery Train, and Night On Earth being my favorites). His last two films have disappointed me a bit:
Coffee and Cigarettes: C Broken Flowers: B- I liked the open ending in "Broken Flowers". |
I think I get it now after reading a quote by Bergman "...the questions are more important than the answers." Doesn't mean I have to like it if they are put out there and I have to come up with the answers. I would compare this as with an artist telling me they're going to make a great painting and describing it with colors and sketching the beginning with pencil on the canvas and then never applying the oils and never completing it.
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I will admit that it took me two days of thinking about this movie after seeing it in the theater to figure it out. The first 24 hours after seeing it, I was pissed. Then, I figured it out. Now, I think I'll buy it after a price drop. Pretty excellent movie, but not one that can be digested in 2 hours.
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:) At least the nude scene was good........
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What do you guys think of the following post from the IMDB boards?
Spoiler:
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i liked the movie but didnt think it ended good, the ending seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed like you missed the last half hour,
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The comments from imdb above make more sense then the movie.
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I remember having liked it.
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
The comments from imdb above make more sense then the movie.
I like the fact that the film is ambiguous. To me the whole film is summarized in what Don's philosophy to the kid is: "All there is, is this the present". For us to go any further with the ending would be require a serious jump into the future. Defeating what Don has just learned. |
I find the conspiracy issue interesting, but I don't think that's what they were aiming for (not that I've never been wrong!). Regardless, I find it interesting and it does make sense.
For me, the crucial part of the ending is when he thinks he finds his son, then chases the kid and winds up in the intersection. When the camera pans around him you see a sort of heightened anxiety, a level of awareness, that wasn't there at the beginning when he was numbed-out. For me, that was the revelation. Sort of like he's awake now and that wherever he is, in his periphery he'll always wonder where his son is. I don't see it as an ambiguous ending. I see it as an awakening. This curious journey through an almost-past has revealed that there's a world outside the little nook he's wedged himself in. Then again, who knows. And I guess that's what makes it ambiguous (even if for me it ain't). I haven't seen it since it first came out, but I just bought it PVD. I plan on watching it this weekend with a fresh eye. |
Finally saw this the other day on HBO. It's the first movie in a very long time that has me excited to watch it again. Although I can understand the frustration that some people have because of the ambiguity of the ending, I didn't mind it. The important part was his redemption, and Murray played it perfectly.
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started reading the conspiracy thing - gave up because it sounded stupid. It all hinged on the idea that a minor character we only caught a glimpse of at the beginning of the movie had enough depth and intelligence that she planned all this out. She would have to know how Bill would behave in a given situation and he doesn't appear to be the type to share much of anything with anyone and it's pretty much the reason she was leaving him.
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