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The Monkees 05-01-05 05:07 PM

What's the Big Deal with Wes Anderson
 
I go to a film school where everyone loves this man and his movies. Also most of the people I know love his movies. I don't understand what the big deal is. I personally don't like ANY of his movies. I just finished watching The Life Aquatic, it had it's moments but overall was pretty crapified.

So what's up?

Hendrik 05-01-05 05:14 PM

...well... some people's gold is some other people's crapola...

. . . :o . . .

Nesbit 05-01-05 05:28 PM

I think it's because he's a unique film maker in the comedy genre which has the least original voices... It's hit and miss with me. I didn't enjoy Rushmore at all, love the Royal Tennenbaums <sp>, and have yet to see Life Aquatic or Bottle Rocket.

PopcornTreeCt 05-01-05 05:56 PM

I love The Royal Tenenbaums and Bottle Rocket but I don't think too highly of Wes Anderson. He has yet to make an accessible audience friendly film.

jarofclay73 05-01-05 06:04 PM

I don't think Wes Anderson has to make a wide appealing film, unless he really needs the money. He seems to be successful the way he makes movies right now.

His style is definitely an acquired taste. If anything, I admire him for being courageous to be different. I bought "The Royal Tenenbaums" and I don't love it yet don't hate it.

Michael Corvin 05-01-05 07:01 PM

I don't get the draw either. His movies are decent, nothing spectacular. He is definitely a director for film snobs. :)

Mr. Salty 05-01-05 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
He has yet to make an accessible audience friendly film.

Yeah, what we need is another director who makes mainstream popcorn flicks. If only Wes Anderson was more like Michael Bay!

PopcornTreeCt 05-01-05 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
Yeah, what we need is another director who makes mainstream popcorn flicks. If only Wes Anderson was more like Michael Bay!

I was thinking along the lines of Steven Spielberg or even at least a Quentin Tarantino who can make movies people of all walks of life can enjoy. Of course on this board mainstream means crap so I'm in the minority.

Elldubtoo 05-01-05 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I was thinking along the lines of Steven Spielberg or even at least a Quentin Tarantino who can make movies people of all walks of life can enjoy. Of course on this board mainstream means crap so I'm in the minority.


Quentin Tarantino makes movies that people of all walks of life like? :lol:

Yeah, I can't wait to see Reservoir Dogs with my grandma.

PopcornTreeCt 05-01-05 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Elldubtoo
Quentin Tarantino makes movies that people of all walks of life like? :lol:

Yeah, I can't wait to see Reservoir Dogs with my grandma.

No, but you could probably watch Pulp Fiction with your grandma. The point is that Tarantino can make movies for everyone, which is something Wes has yet to do.

Tafellappen 05-01-05 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
No, but you could probably watch Pulp Fiction with your grandma. The point is that Tarantino can make movies for everyone, which is something Wes has yet to do.

Woah, your grandma must be cool if she's down with Pulp Fiction. Also, I don't think Tarantino is making kid-friendly films.

Elldubtoo 05-01-05 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
No, but you could probably watch Pulp Fiction with your grandma. The point is that Tarantino can make movies for everyone, which is something Wes has yet to do.


So I can watch Pulp Fiction with my grandma and not The Royal Tenenbaums or The Life Aquatic?

Awesome, thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:

Kumar J 05-01-05 11:25 PM

He was in Japan promoting the movies.A bit down to earth type of guy.

DVD Josh 05-01-05 11:56 PM

I personally think that Bottle Rocket is his only good movie. Rushmore's first half is very very good, but the second half is crap. I thought TRT and TLA were unholy garbage. But that's just me. I like poop and fart jokes.

PopcornTreeCt 05-02-05 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by Elldubtoo
So I can watch Pulp Fiction with my grandma and not The Royal Tenenbaums or The Life Aquatic?

Awesome, thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:

I would say yes. If your grandma is interested in watching the most original movie of the 90s. I'm sure your grandma will easily see why Pulp Fiction is universally loved why still trying to figure what happened in Royal Tenenbaums.

FinkPish 05-02-05 12:46 AM

I like Wes Anderson for the exact reason that he isn't completely accessible; that he has a unique vision that isn't for everyone. And I'm not saying that to be snobbish or superior; I just enjoy the fact that he does things differently than what most other directors would do with the same material. I also like his sense of humor and irony, which makes me want to see more of his stuff. I like the fact that he writes his own stuff, so everything you see on the screen is fully his own, and not something that a studio decided on.

Elldubtoo 05-02-05 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I would say yes. If your grandma is interested in watching the most original movie of the 90s. I'm sure your grandma will easily see why Pulp Fiction is universally loved why still trying to figure what happened in Royal Tenenbaums.


Original? yes.

More audience friendly than the Royal Tenenbaums? Fuck no.


I don't know why you brought originality into this discussion, we were discussing whether or not Wes Anderson's films are more accessible and audience friendly than QT's movies.

Tafellappen 05-02-05 01:07 AM


Originally Posted by FinkPish
I like Wes Anderson for the exact reason that he isn't completely accessible; that he has a unique vision that isn't for everyone. And I'm not saying that to be snobbish or superior; I just enjoy the fact that he does things differently than what most other directors would do with the same material. I also like his sense of humor and irony, which makes me want to see more of his stuff. I like the fact that he writes his own stuff, so everything you see on the screen is fully his own, and not something that a studio decided on.

:up:

NatrlBornThrllr 05-02-05 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I don't get the draw either. His movies are decent, nothing spectacular. He is definitely a director for film snobs. :)

[rant]

The term "snob" is thrown around way too frequently on these forums. The guy makes comedic films. If they cater to the sense of humor of a given viewer, that makes him a snob? Christ, people, movies are movies. To call somebody a snob because they don't mind reading subtitles, or because they have an appreciation for a certain type of humor is just plain silly.

That said, I have no problem admitting that I'm a snob when it comes to film. I pride myself on the fact that I've seen films that most of my friends have never heard of, gone on to expose them to said films, and finally bask in the fact that they enjoyed (some of) those movies as much as I do. I scoff at those who refuse to watch 75% of the available movies solely because they "don't like to read subtitles." I look down my nose at people who have never heard of some of the most acclaimed directors of all time, solely because they're from another decade/region of the world.

Yeah, I'm a film snob, and I've got no problem admitting that. This should further back the statement I'm trying to make: don't be so quick to throw around that term. To say, "you're a snob because you find dry wit to be appealing" is idiotic.

People here need to learn how to articulate a dislike for a certain branch of cinema without resorting to the use of cliched, ridiculously overused phrases that simply don't fit the context of the discussion. If we were talking about a person who condescends to those that don't like Wes Anderson's films, somebody that says, "you don't think it's funny because you don't get it," then yeah, it'd be appropriate to call them a snob. However, to say that a certain type of comedy/direction/whatever is made for snobs, that's just...meh, nevermind.

[/rant]

-JP

island007 05-02-05 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I don't get the draw either. His movies are decent, nothing spectacular. He is definitely a director for film snobs. :)


That about sums it up.

I'll take a Bay, Spielberg, and/or Tarantino film over an Anderson film.

The exception is Bottle Rocket. Wes gets :thumbsup: :thumbsup: fot that one.

jfoobar 05-02-05 02:02 AM

Oddly enough, Bottle Rocket is the WA film that I have enjoyed least thus far. In my eyes, he has gotten so much better at his craft since then.

Cygnet74 05-02-05 02:11 AM


Originally Posted by JustinS
Oddly enough, Bottle Rocket is the WA film that I have enjoyed least thus far. In my eyes, he has gotten so much better at his craft since then.

imo, i think his films have grown more controlled and more cynical. bottle rocket had a simplicity, a freedom and a balance between real and surreal that i've always admired moreso than in his other films.

jfoobar 05-02-05 02:34 AM


Originally Posted by Cygnet74
imo, i think his films have grown more controlled and more cynical. bottle rocket had a simplicity, a freedom and a balance between real and surreal that i've always admired moreso than in his other films.

I would agree with that, but for me he hit his tonal stride with TRT. BR had the subtle underpinnings of what Wes would become, but I guess I found it too whimsical. In places, however, it does succeed in being side-splittingly funny.

Chris777 05-02-05 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by The Monkees
I go to a film school where everyone loves this man and his movies. Also most of the people I know love his movies. I don't understand what the big deal is. I personally don't like ANY of his movies. I just finished watching The Life Aquatic, it had it's moments but overall was pretty crapified.

So what's up?

:) , glad to know not everybody is obsessed with the guy.

Jay G. 05-02-05 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Chris777
:) , glad to know not everybody is obsessed with the guy.

Yes, because everyone who likes his movies must be "obsessed with the guy." :rolleyes:

I've never got the point behind these "What's the deal with....." threads. It's like the thread starters are so insecure in their own opinions that they need to confirm that other people don't like a movie/director/actor as well. None of the explainations by the defenders ever seem to satisfy them, not like one can really be rationalized into liking something anyway.

That said, at least some of the dislikers here have more thought out reasons for not liking his films than saying they're "crapified."

The Bus 05-02-05 06:37 AM

I think it's interesting that he uses such straight-ahead shots. No one else in film can make such simple shots look so fresh or new.

Look at his movies. Almost every single shot is dead-on straight, composed at an even sight line, like every scene is a diorama. It's awesome.

Michael Corvin 05-02-05 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by NatrlBornThrllr
[rant]

The term "snob" is thrown around way too frequently on these forums. The guy makes comedic films. If they cater to the sense of humor of a given viewer, that makes him a snob? Christ, people, movies are movies. To call somebody a snob because they don't mind reading subtitles, or because they have an appreciation for a certain type of humor is just plain silly.

That said, I have no problem admitting that I'm a snob when it comes to film. I pride myself on the fact that I've seen films that most of my friends have never heard of, gone on to expose them to said films, and finally bask in the fact that they enjoyed (some of) those movies as much as I do. I scoff at those who refuse to watch 75% of the available movies solely because they "don't like to read subtitles." I look down my nose at people who have never heard of some of the most acclaimed directors of all time, solely because they're from another decade/region of the world.

Yeah, I'm a film snob, and I've got no problem admitting that. This should further back the statement I'm trying to make: don't be so quick to throw around that term. To say, "you're a snob because you find dry wit to be appealing" is idiotic.

People here need to learn how to articulate a dislike for a certain branch of cinema without resorting to the use of cliched, ridiculously overused phrases that simply don't fit the context of the discussion. If we were talking about a person who condescends to those that don't like Wes Anderson's films, somebody that says, "you don't think it's funny because you don't get it," then yeah, it'd be appropriate to call them a snob. However, to say that a certain type of comedy/direction/whatever is made for snobs, that's just...meh, nevermind.

[/rant]

-JP

Let me ask you one thing. Do you know anyone that went to film school? If you did then you wouldn't have a problem with my post. They seem like they are superior because they like WA and because I don't, I am a feeble minded person who has no taste in film. I never said he made films for film snobs, it just happens to turn out that way. He could commit the biggist pile of dogshit to celluloid and his audience would praise it as high art and the best thing committed to film since Citizen Kane. So the term "snob" was aptly applied for this group of people dispite you thinking the contrary.

But then again, I never said I didn't like/ or "get" his movies, they are mediocre at best, just very overrated.

LiquidSky 05-02-05 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by FinkPish
I like Wes Anderson for the exact reason that he isn't completely accessible; that he has a unique vision that isn't for everyone. And I'm not saying that to be snobbish or superior; I just enjoy the fact that he does things differently than what most other directors would do with the same material. I also like his sense of humor and irony, which makes me want to see more of his stuff. I like the fact that he writes his own stuff, so everything you see on the screen is fully his own, and not something that a studio decided on.

Agree.

jmoneta 05-02-05 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by The Monkees
I go to a film school where everyone loves this man and his movies. Also most of the people I know love his movies. I don't understand what the big deal is. I personally don't like ANY of his movies. I just finished watching The Life Aquatic, it had it's moments but overall was pretty crapified.

So what's up?

Sorry, I never attended film school. For those of us lay people, could you perhaps expand on your evaluation? Is crapified the technical term for some poor film-making technique?

JacksModernLife 05-02-05 08:53 AM

I always get the feeling a lot of people say they 'adore' his films just to sound sophisticated. I didn't like Bottle Rocket or Rushmore or Life Aquatic.... Sometimes I feel like he has "the emperor's new clothes" syndrome, as in somehow it gets out there that these films are "genius" and then the normal joe crowd perpetuates it...somehow thinking they are geniuses by association.


I will admit that I own The Royal Tenenbaums, but I felt that was a great character/interaction film and the actors REALLY made that movie. Yes the dialogue was funny, but I couldn't imagine it with different actors. Actually a lot of my friends (I'm 19) really enjoy TRT as well.

Hiro11 05-02-05 08:54 AM

Reasons I like Wes Anderson:
1. His nerdy/sqaured off framing and deliberately staged-looking compositions. He's like a nerdy Kubrick: everything is controlled and slightly unreal. You either like this effect or it turns you off. However, after seeing one of his movies you can see a still from another one and immediately identify it as Anderson's work. He has a unique style.
2. The details in the movies: backwards dress shirts as smocks, reel-to-reel tape recorders, game closets, monogramed typewriter cases, hand towels with a ship's logo, tape labels for the key rack, beat-up taxis, pirahnas etc. This is a guy who not only likes to make quirky little worlds, but pushes them in your face. This enhances the whole "fairy tale" apsect to the movies.
3. Hilarious dialogue (to me). Max babbling into a cell phone, Owen Wilson's little speach about Custer etc. Really funny stuff. At the same time, everyone is depressed in all of his movies and there's always an undercurrent of sadness and nostalgia.
4. Excellent soundtracks, there havs never been a bad song in a Wes Anderson movie.

Wes Anderson reminds me of They Might Be Giants: overly schooled, slightly precious, but with a saving grace of real wit and sense of timing. So many movies try to do this these days and fail (Napolean Dynamite, for example). Wes Anderson pulls it off. I don't think this is being snobby as I certainly don't look down on people that don't like his movies. They just happens to appeal to me.

LiquidSky 05-02-05 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by JacksModernLife
I always get the feeling a lot of people say they 'adore' his films just to sound sophisticated.

Perhaps some do....but this is not so in my case. I truly like his films/sense of humor.

LiquidSky 05-02-05 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Hiro11
So many movies try to do this these days and fail (Napolean Dynamite, for example).

Disagree. I thought "NP" was quite funny....along the same lines of Wes Anderson style humor.

thephantom 05-02-05 09:39 AM

I haven't seen Bottle Rocket(up to 5th in a my queue, should be seeing it in a couple months) but Rushmore is one of the better comedies I've seen. TRT was good but like Jacksmodernlife, I was drawn more to the characters. I don't remember the movie being particularly funny. I can remember every single character in that movie but not one line from any of them other than Owen Wilson saying something about Custer. I've only seen it once and it was noisy in the house that day, really need to sit down with it again as I'm sure there's some dialogue and jokes I missed, and maybe see if it comes off better then second time through.

The Live Aquatic was also good in a strange quirky way but it didn't really stand out to me. In fact I'm having a hard time remembering anything about it at all.

wendersfan 05-02-05 10:03 AM

I imagine most people here think of me as a 'film snob'. I don't like Wes Anderson's films very much. I liked <b>Rushmore</b> quite a bit, and I thought <b>Bottle Rocket</b> was nice but nothing special, and I disliked <b>The Royal Tenenbaums</b> quite a bit. Haven't seen his latest yet. Frankly, I don't like much of the contemporary American 'indie' scene much at all - "quirky" seems to be an acceptable replacement for intelligent these days.

Kal-El 05-02-05 10:44 AM

Never seen any of his films. Trailers don't compel me to, synopses about 'em even less so. They just have absolutely no appeal to me whatosever.

uberjoe 05-02-05 10:58 AM

I'm definitely not a film snob (the end of Armaggedon makes me teary), but I really like Anderson's films. I especially loved The Life Aquatic, and can't wait for the Criterion next week. Just because someone likes something you don't doesn't automatically make them moronic or snobbish.

Hokeyboy 05-02-05 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jay G.
I've never got the point behind these "What's the deal with....." threads. It's like the thread starters are so insecure in their own opinions that they need to confirm that other people don't like a movie/director/actor as well. None of the explainations by the defenders ever seem to satisfy them, not like one can really be rationalized into liking something anyway.

:thumbsup:

People feel validated by a majority opinion, I guess. Feh. I still don't care for "Shawshank Redemption" or "Magnolia", and no one's taking my toys away.

wendersfan 05-02-05 11:48 AM

One thing I will say in the director's favor - he has tremendous taste in music and the songs he puts in his films are always great and fit/support the film very well.

FinkPish 05-02-05 11:50 AM

Wow, there seem to be a lot of people here who are threatened by others who have opinions different from their own. I can only speak for myself, but to put it simply, I like the movies I like because I like them. I don't like them because I think I should or because I don't want to stick out. And I definitely don't like them because I think it will make me feel better than others.

This attitude of "I didn't like it, so if you do then you must be lying" is bullshit. And the same goes for the opposite: "I did like it, so if you didn't you must be an idiot."


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