The Birds - REMAKE - From Michael Bay's Platinum Dunes
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Originally Posted by SteveJKo
You got that right, look at the remake of "Psycho".
I think my distaste for remakes comes from the waste of resources. They could have spent this money on something original and instead wasted it reproducing something that, in this case, was perfect the first time around.
I think my distaste for remakes comes from the waste of resources. They could have spent this money on something original and instead wasted it reproducing something that, in this case, was perfect the first time around.
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A remake of The Birds makes sense, as long as it's not an exact replica of Hitchcock's version, the way the remake of Psycho was. The concept has some gas, so hit it. Birds attacking people! Why not do it again? It isn't really sacred territory.
I'm also pretty repulsed by the 'film fans' in here that think Hitchcock's version sucks. Hitchcock built a masterpiece out of spit and chewing gum: This was 1963. They didn't have technology to make perfectly convincing effects, and so true genius had to be employed. It's the true craft of filmmaking.
I'm also pretty repulsed by the 'film fans' in here that think Hitchcock's version sucks. Hitchcock built a masterpiece out of spit and chewing gum: This was 1963. They didn't have technology to make perfectly convincing effects, and so true genius had to be employed. It's the true craft of filmmaking.
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Originally Posted by Ethan VanSciver
Hitchcock built a masterpiece out of spit and chewing gum: This was 1963.
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Maybe this time, it will explain why the birds are attacking. Did the 1st one even attempt this? All I could guess was those birds somehow got every bird around go go nuts (evil telepathic birds?). Add more variety to the birds attacking also. Pelicans, humming birds & an Andes Condor!!
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Incorrect. Psycho was made on spit & bubble gum. The Birds was a big-budget Hollywood film.
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Originally Posted by resinrats
Maybe this time, it will explain why the birds are attacking.
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Not "made ON", made OUT OF. It doesn't matter how much money you have in 1963, without CGI it is almost impossible to get convincing FX on the screen. Hitchcock was able to tell the story using very practical and ingenius special effects tricks, which instructed and informed almost every film maker from then on. To make fun of them now is to completely miss the point.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I don't think anyone here is criticizing the effects. Most of us are criticizing the story, which is pretty thin, especially for Hitchcock. Of course, how could it not be? The birds attacking in that film is basically a non-sequiter to what's actually happening in the rest of the movie.
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Fuck Michael Bay.
Next...
edit - Oh, I see that there's two threads in the movie forum devoted to this celluloid abortion... In that case, fuck Michael Bay X 2.
Next...
edit - Oh, I see that there's two threads in the movie forum devoted to this celluloid abortion... In that case, fuck Michael Bay X 2.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Zhivago
Fuck Michael Bay.
Next...
edit - Oh, I see that there's two threads in the movie forum devoted to this celluloid abortion... In that case, fuck Michael Bay X 2.
Next...
edit - Oh, I see that there's two threads in the movie forum devoted to this celluloid abortion... In that case, fuck Michael Bay X 2.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I'll say it: the first movie ain't that great. It takes forever to get to the bird attack, and when the attack does happen most of the effects are ridiculously laughable, even by 1963 standards. There are some great individual sequences, but overall the movie doesn't work for me.
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I'm not the biggest fan of The Birds either (LOVE Hitch though) but have to say:
No More Goddamn Remakes :grr:
Get an original idea for once, please!
No More Goddamn Remakes :grr:
Get an original idea for once, please!
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Originally Posted by SINGLE104
The movie never explained the reason why the birds were attacking, and I've viewed it repeatedly trying to understand. This was the most important element of the film that was omitted. Or did I missed something?
And as for the prospect of a Michael Bay remake (God, those words make me shudder), I'd say it will end up proudly assuming its place - in huge piles - next to all the unsold copies of Phat Girlz and Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector in the Used Bin at every local video store in America.
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I'm not a fan of remakes either, but I find it interesting that people seem to hate the idea of this being remade and yet have no problem with Scorsese doing a remake (The Departed).
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Scorsese...Michael Bay...Scorsese...Michael Bay...think about it, Coral.
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
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Originally Posted by Filmmaker
Scorsese...Michael Bay...Scorsese...Michael Bay...think about it, Coral.
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
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Originally Posted by resinrats
Maybe this time, it will explain why the birds are attacking. Did the 1st one even attempt this? All I could guess was those birds somehow got every bird around go go nuts (evil telepathic birds?). Add more variety to the birds attacking also. Pelicans, humming birds & an Andes Condor!!
Credits End
(Screen fades to black)
The camera pulls back to reveal a black, reflective disk. [blinks]
Camera zooms out further to reveal two budgies in a cage.
Continues zooming, revealing the cage next to a bank of computer screens displaying random numbers and DNA strings. Men in lab coats work in the background. Some sort of government bio-weapons lab.
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Originally Posted by Coral
It has nothing to do with the talent... some are complaining about films being remade and that Hollywood lacks originality. It seems that some directors get away with it, while others don't.
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And to me it doesn't matter if the original film was popular or not... a remake is a remake.
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Originally Posted by Filmmaker
Scorsese...Michael Bay...Scorsese...Michael Bay...think about it, Coral.
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
Not to mention that a remake of a film most people have never heard of is a different animal altogether than a remake of a classic. When Scorsese remade CAPE FEAR, he got plenty of grief (though, for most of us, he thankfully was able to prove the naysayers wrong)...
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Originally Posted by Filmmaker
I disagree, because much of people's distaste for remakes is that the films being remade were already done perfectly the first time. If we're gonna have remakes, why not remake film's with great premises but poor executions?
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Well, they mentioned in the movie about some of the birds possibly being sick. I just figured they all got some form of bird rabies or something...
I love the movie, but near the end with her in the room...thought it was pretty cheesy. She's a total goof during that part. Instead of peeking, she just walks in, then she can't seem to open the door...good grief...
I love the movie, but near the end with her in the room...thought it was pretty cheesy. She's a total goof during that part. Instead of peeking, she just walks in, then she can't seem to open the door...good grief...
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Is it any thinner of a story than Night of the Living Dead? It follows that plotline fairly closely (or vice versa) except it spends the time in the first act creating characters that are actually likable. Calling the birds attacking a non-sequiter is an interesting way of looking at the movie though. I think I agree with you, but not to the extent that I think it hurts the movie.
Edit: Also, let's face it. Zombies are scarier than birds.
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Actually, I disagree. I think the comparison to Night of the Living Dead is very apropos. Both are deceptively subtextual films with the monsters meant to serve more as metaphors than just as simple straightforward menaces. They do differ in their technical approach and execution, but conceptually speaking, they are very similar. One is meant as a social commentary about racial tensions, the other is more of a psychological study about sexual tensions. I would say George Romero is heavily indebted to Hitchcock at least in his thematic approach, if not in his cinematic style. That said, I do agree that The Birds is not an absolute masterpiece. I'd say it's one of his better efforts, but still not at the level of Psycho, Vertigo or Rear Window.