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Kingdom of Heaven: will it be PG-13?

Old 04-12-05, 01:32 PM
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Kingdom of Heaven: will it be PG-13?

While I would love to see a story like this with a hard R, I also would hate to see the movie be a financial tank due to a restrictive rating. Granted, I doubt this will be anywhere near the level of Gladiator, but I still think it has some potential if a wide audience can view it.

I was wondering if there is a chance of something happening like did in the 70s and early 80s where two versions of the movie got released with a PG type playing during the day and an R at night. That way you could not only seperate the teeny boppers from the adults at showings, but get curious veiwers to double dip for tickets.
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I hope for 3 things, 1)its R 2) its a financial success 3) Scott wins an Oscan for best director and best picture, because this guy roxx!
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It would be very difficult to show all the slaughter that went on during the Crusades on film and have it be PG 13.
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They'd block most of their target audience (swooning teenaged girls who go ga-ga over Legolas) by making in R.
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For the love of all that is holy - I hope not.
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Ridley Scott rules, I will view this with any rating..
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It will be R. They're doing everything right with marketing. The BO receipts will reflect the quality of the actual movie.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
They'd block most of their target audience (swooning teenaged girls who go ga-ga over Legolas) by making in R.
I guess that's why Troy pretty much flopped domestically then ...
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Troy is the reason I posted this thread more or less. I think it was not too bad of a movie. Not great, but not the kind that deserved to fail in the U.S. the way it did.


Oh well, there's always the foreign market should this disappoint in America.
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Troy is the reason I posted this thread more or less. I think it was not too bad of a movie. Not great, but not the kind that deserved to fail in the U.S. the way it did.
I am looking for much more out of Kingdom of Heaven than I did w/ Troy.
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I generally do not really care enough about a film's BO success to hope that filmmakers compromise in order for the film to be successful. I want the movie to be how I want it, (or atleast how the filmmakers want it) Yes, I understand the basic principle of "well if this one is successful enough, they'll make more!" but at this point the epic films have pretty much been covered. I'd rather have the film be how I want it.(and in this case, a three hr, R film - hopefully we're getting the R) By all accounts it should make it's money back, and I don't think any of the principles involved will have a hard time finding work regardless.

Last yr was a pretty poor year for epics (2 out of 3 atleast) but we're still getting them this yr.

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I'm pretty confident it'll get an "R" rating.
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Originally Posted by bjh_18
I guess that's why Troy pretty much flopped domestically then ...
Troy performed quite poorly domestically.
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Regardless of the rating, I just hope its good.
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I think this movie has been getting good buzz, more so than the IMO overrated "Gladiator" did.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
Troy performed quite poorly domestically.
Troy didn't preform poorly. Troy simply underpreformed for it's budget. Anything that grosses more than $100 million domestically cannot be considered a poor effort.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
Troy didn't preform poorly. Troy simply underpreformed for it's budget. Anything that grosses more than $100 million domestically cannot be considered a poor effort.
When your film falls about $42 million short of its budget (not even counting the 50 million for marketing) domestically, I'd call that poor. Especially since many expected Troy to top 300 million in the US.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I think this movie has been getting good buzz, more so than the IMO overrated "Gladiator" did.
Gladiator had Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix going for it. Orlando Bloom can't carry a movie by himself. We'll see if I eat those words but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Gladiator had Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix going for it. Orlando Bloom can't carry a movie by himself.
Neither Crow nor Phoenix had "carried" any film prior to Gladiator, and really Pheonix NEVER has.
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I'm expecting Kingdom of Heaven to get an "R" rating actually, since Ridley Scott usually likes his movies "R". But even if it's "PG-13", he's such a great visualist/director that I'm confident the film won't suffer either way.

I loved Gladiator, hated Troy. Hope Kingdom of Heaven is good.
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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
Troy performed quite poorly domestically.
But it made a ton of money overseas, as will Kingdom of Heaven no matter what it makes over here. Even Alexander faired pretty well in foreign markets.
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Between Alexander, Troy, and King Arthur, I'm just really bored with the genre right now. I can't speak for everone, but I imagine there's quite a few people out there who saw one or two of those other films hoping for the next Braveheart or Gladiator and were probably sadly disappointed (or at least satisfied enough) so that they won't really feel so compelled to go see Kingdom of Heaven. I think this film would've stood a better chance had there been a long dry spell between it and Gladiator for this type of film. As it is - I don't think the rating will matter one bit. Children, tweens and teens aren't really the target market for long epic films. IIRC, I had a real tough time getting anyone my age to go see long epic films with me back when I was much younger. At least the LOTR movies had magic and monsters and crap - stuff that could hold a child's attention. Long movies about people from a long time ago will put most people younger than 16 to sleep. "Like, what is this? History class? Borrring... If I wanted to go to school, I woulda watched like, American Pie or something - cuz like they're in school."
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I hope it get's an R. I don't want any teeny-bopper girls swooning over Bloom while I'm trying to watch the flick.
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Yes, it's Scott, but I don't think this movie will go over too well. The ads have just recently started appearing, and honestly, I think people will remember Alexander and Troy too much. Orlando Bloom is NOT an action hero. Had they put a "real" action here, then yes, this movie would've done well. I'm predicting it'll make budget in the US at best.

We'll see.
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Originally Posted by Trigger
Between Alexander, Troy, and King Arthur, I'm just really bored with the genre right now.
In theory I think this film has more potential to being interesting, as it isn't just a historical epic but has picked an era where the religious and political aspects of the portrayed war are harder to ignore in the narrative.

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