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Old 06-08-22, 08:39 AM
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

The plot thickens?

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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Oof.. I have to think of the previous incidents didnít lead to Ezraís firing that this will. Question now even more is does WB release the film as is or do they delay and recast the role?
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

The thing that stands out to me is that not a single statement about any of the incidents has been released by Ezra or his team. You would think they would try to stay ahead of this stuff with some statements of remorse (for the drunken incidents) and contrition (maybe acknowledging some issues). This has put the WB in an impossible position. They built up ton of excitement/anticipation with Keaton/Affleck returns that has been crushed by his nonsensical behaviors. I don't have any issues with him as Flash and I think they should have stuck with the original release schedule and tacked on a credits scene where an alternate universe Flash takes his place and just move on with it.

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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Once again, fuck this guy for ruining our chance to get the best Batman and Batmobile back on the big screen. Yeah, I know batgirl, but this movie was going to do it first.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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Once again, fuck this guy for ruining our chance to get the best Batman and Batmobile back on the big screen. Yeah, I know batgirl, but this movie was going to do it first.
Yeah. Iím pretty pissed about the whole situation and Ezra being such a dumb fuck. Iím over saying they need help as the excuse.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Time to CGI another actor’s face over Miller’s.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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Not if the star because a huge liability to said movie.

I want to be clear that I don't think they should do this now. But if Miller's behavior continues to deteriorate to the point where they are trying to figure out how to fanwank their way through digitally replacing him or reshooting huge chunks to cobble something together, they should just call it. There's no way that would be good and the DCEU needs it to be good.
I'll quote my own post from earlier in this thread - someone at WB is doing math about this right now. Cancelling the film is rapidly becoming the only option.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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The plot thickens?

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I donít know the whole story, but it sounds to me like Miller tried to help her escape conversion therapy and a bigoted abusive family? Miller is a LGBTQIA+ person and advocate. It sounds more to me like her parents are the villains in this story.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

or release it straight to digital/streaming service. lol
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Originally Posted by Hazel Motes View Post
I don’t know the whole story, but it sounds to me like Miller tried to help her escape conversion therapy and a bigoted abusive family? Miller is a LGBTQIA+ person and advocate. It sounds more to me like her parents are the villains in this story.
There probably is more to the story but they being so involved in her life without her parents from that early of an age still sets off a ton of red flags.

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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
There probably is more to the story but him being so involved in her life without her parents from that early of an age still sets off a ton of red flags.
Iím sure there is a lot more to the story than we know. Still, itís worrisome that a Trans person is being labeled as a ďGroomerĒ by this girlís parents. Thatís not going to help the LGBTQ community.

It also reeks of a right-wing agenda.

Of course, itís Ezra Miller so who the hell knows. He hasnít exactly earned the benefit of the doubt lately.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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I'll quote my own post from earlier in this thread - someone at WB is doing math about this right now. Cancelling the film is rapidly becoming the only option.
Or quietly dump it onto HBOMax between Ezra Miller scandals.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

If you scrap this and just throw the entire $200M away, the hardcore DC nerds will be livid.

If you just throw it onto HBO Max, it's basically a $200M plus loss.

If you try to reshoot it with a new actor, it will balloon the budget and will make it extremely hard to be profitable. And the hardcore DC nerds will also be livid and demand to see "The Miller cut"

and then you'll have to re-schedule actors to shoot scenes and it will without a doubt delay the movie even longer.

It's a lose lose situation. David Zaslav has to be pulling his hair out trying to figure out what to do with this mess.
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Old 06-08-22, 04:52 PM
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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It's a lose lose situation. David Zaslav has to be pulling his hair out trying to figure out what to do with this mess.
It's not that difficult. The majority of general audiences don't have a clue about the actors personal life and won't care when it comes time to buy tickets.
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It's not that difficult. The majority of general audiences don't have a clue about the actors personal life and won't care when it comes time to buy tickets.
It's still terrible PR for the movie. But yeah, some 21 year old kid living in his Mom's basement on TikTok 90% of his day probably doesn't give a shit and just wants the movie out.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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It's still terrible PR for the movie. But yeah, some 21 year old kid living in his Mom's basement on TikTok 90% of his day probably doesn't give a shit and just wants the movie out.
is that true OldBoy?
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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Well, that oughta' ice this cake, right?

Right?!
That may indeed be the final nail in the coffin, regardless of the validity of the claim. Oy.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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It's still terrible PR for the movie. But yeah, some 21 year old kid living in his Mom's basement on TikTok 90% of his day probably doesn't give a shit and just wants the movie out.
Itís definitely terrible PR for the film. People donít know who Ezra Miller is now maybe, but in this day and age? A high profile movie with an actor whoís been causing lots of trouble and now is being accused of grooming some girl.. social media will call for his cancellation as well as this film being boycotted if itís released.
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The thing just needs to be put out in theaters. Refocus the marketing on Keaton and Affleck and get the thing out the door. If you have a gigantic flop and it grosses only $100M, you're still recouping a fair amount and WB loves tax write-offs anyway. The PR damage is done, but reshooting/retooling is just going to balloon the budget.
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social media will call for his cancellation as well as this film being boycotted if it’s released.
This demographic isn't going to see the movie anyway. Social media isn't real life. You know what else social media called for? Morbius to be re-released in theatres... Sony did that this past weekend and made $85 per screen.
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Re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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This demographic isn't going to see the movie anyway. Social media isn't real life. You know what else social media called for? Morbius to be re-released in theatres... it did that this past weekend and made $85 per screen.
Right, but that crowd is still loud. Especially over stuff like what Miller has done. Definitely will cause some bad PR for the film either way. How do you market a film with this guy whoís causing all these problems and heís the main star?
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This demographic isn't going to see the movie anyway. Social media isn't real life. You know what else social media called for? Morbius to be re-released in theatres... Sony did that this past weekend and made $85 per screen.
Sure, but I wouldn't say there's no impact either. Depp got taken off of Fantastic Beasts for the accusations, and I doubt Heard will be seen as Mera again. Unless the media all get paid off to sweep this under the rug, Ezra's stuff is going to be following this movie throughout the whole media blitz.
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Right, but that crowd is still loud. Especially over stuff like what Miller has done. Definitely will cause some bad PR for the film either way. How do you market a film with this guy who’s causing all these problems and he’s the main star?
Some bad PR... that will likely have little effect on the BO. The biggest thing that Ezra Miller has working against the movie is that he isn't a big star and most people don't know who the fuck Ezra Miller is anyway.... then again... that could actually be beneficial.

How do you market it? The same way you normally market it.... with a little extra emphasis on Keaton and Affleck.

General audiences are not going to care about any of this news.

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Old 06-08-22, 06:33 PM
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Yeah, bad headlines but nothing big enough to derail the film at this point imo. That said, still over a year to go! There's no reason to believe this mentally deranged person will change.
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Some bad PR... that will likely have little effect on the BO. The biggest thing that Ezra Miller has working against the movie is that her isn't a big star and most people don't know who the fuck Ezra Miller is anyway.... then again... that could actually be beneficial.

How do you market it? The same way you normally market it.... with a little extra emphasis on Keaton and Affleck.

General audiences are not going to care about any of this news.
Especially internationally

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