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Old 01-04-22, 09:51 AM
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Originally Posted by GuessWho View Post
it's been a while, but didn't one of the later X-Men movies undo the previous movies from existence?
I feel like that's happened a couple times.

I definitely erased some of those movies in my mind as well
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Old 01-04-22, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GuessWho View Post
it's been a while, but didn't one of the later X-Men movies undo the previous movies from existence?
Yes... that god-awful Last Stand film that killed everyone off.

... and yes everyone was dead in Logan, but its a superior film to the Last Stand.
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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Yes... that god-awful Last Stand film that killed everyone off.

... and yes everyone was dead in Logan, but its a superior film to the Last Stand.
It wasn't Last Stand.. it was more Days of Future Past that kind of did to the X-Men what Star Trek did with the Kelvin universe.
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DCMU proving they still have no fucking clue what to do.
Maybe this is their stab at that multiverse? Just constant reboots every few movies?
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Originally Posted by GuessWho View Post
it's been a while, but didn't one of the later X-Men movies undo the previous movies from existence?
Days of Future past took out X-men Origins Wolverine and The Last Stand.

I am also sure plans changed when Matthew Vaughn was not brought back after First Class.
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This movie is pretty strange to me as most of the news is not even about Flash.
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Originally Posted by mwynn View Post
This movie is pretty strange to me as most of the news is not even about Flash.
Yeah Flash is going to guest star in his own movie.
I'm sure it will be some time travel fuckery, fan service cameos and then he resets the time line best he can. Just like the comic.
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

So they're ditching a cast that works in favor of unknowns? Of course they are.

Also, we all pretty much knew this. Affleck was already out, so The Flash was always a nice bonus at best for fans. Also Cavill was only on the hook for one more film anyway, right? So we were already 99% sure he was on the way out too. The Flash just puts the nail in the coffin.

The other half of the rumor is weird. So the new Justice League (keeping it vague), "sidelining" arguably the two biggest superheroes of all time is a bizarre way to go.
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Originally Posted by mwynn View Post
Days of Future past took out X-men Origins Wolverine and The Last Stand.
It also took out X2... basically it only left the first X-Men movie intact.
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Old 01-05-22, 01:38 PM
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So they're ditching a cast that works in favor of unknowns? Of course they are.

Also, we all pretty much knew this. Affleck was already out, so The Flash was always a nice bonus at best for fans. Also Cavill was only on the hook for one more film anyway, right? So we were already 99% sure he was on the way out too. The Flash just puts the nail in the coffin.

The other half of the rumor is weird. So the new Justice League (keeping it vague), "sidelining" arguably the two biggest superheroes of all time is a bizarre way to go.
This could also be a money play, the group of unknows would be a lot cheaper.
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

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It also took out X2... basically it only left the first X-Men movie intact.
We can't be sure that any of it is intact. Everything changed mid Wolverine. To say that any of the films after that would play out as originally scripted is not a given.
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Iím interested in the prospect of Keatonís Bruce Wayne acting as a mentor figure to Batgirl if thatís the direction things are going. I think doing a Justice League led by Batgirl, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman is probably not the greatest idea though if thereís any truth to that rumor.
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Originally Posted by Obi-Wanma View Post
We can't be sure that any of it is intact. Everything changed mid Wolverine. To say that any of the films after that would play out as originally scripted is not a given.
The fact that Wolverine and Rogue are at the school at the end of Days of Future Past is evidence that the events of the first X-Men movie did happen.
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I feel like a better way of shaking up the Justice League would be to skip ahead like 5-10 years (actually I guess you could do it to where once the Flashpoint happens, Flash accidentally overshoots his own time), where you could bring in legacy characters like in Batman Beyond or some of the stuff just prior to the New 52 reboot.
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re: The Flash (2023, D: Muschietti) - S: Miller, Keaton and Affleck

Originally Posted by Double_Oh_7 View Post
The fact that Wolverine and Rogue are at the school at the end of Days of Future Past is evidence that the events of the first X-Men movie did happen.
Not really. There's any number of other ways that they could have ended up there apart from the events of the first X-Men.
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People will be better off understanding everything if they realize this movie should really be called Flashpoint. Warner is using this movie to reboot their filmverse. They were also beaten to the punch by Spider-Man: No Way Home in certain characters from the past appearing.
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Originally Posted by Obi-Wanma View Post
Not really. There's any number of other ways that they could have ended up there apart from the events of the first X-Men.
Stop being silly; you could say that about the events in any movie. But what we saw is what happened.
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I'm not being silly. We saw that things were fundamentally changed at the time of the the time of the 3 mile island event in Wolverine. We cannot say that anything that happened after that is the same as what we saw in the original trilogy. 2 characters being at the X-Mansion years later is not proof of any particular events that occurred before that.

EDIT: I wrote this quickly before I left work and it occurred to me that I had a couple of things mixed up. Of course, Wolverine comes back in 1973, way before 3 Mile Island, and is captured by Stryker/Mystique. Presumably, his future is much different from this point forward. Not to mention that everything changed when Mystique does not kill Trask, and nothing can be counted on to be the same as it was leading up to the original timeline.

Also if you follow the plotline that the First Class sequels took from that point forward (which presumably is the new future that leads to the the one at the end of DOFP), Mystique becomes an X-Man and dies in 1992, making it impossible for her to appear in the events of the first X-Men film in the year 2000.

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I think that the chronological order of the X-Men films looks like this:

1. X-Men First Class (1961)
2. X-Men Origins Wolverine (1980)
3. X-Men
4. X2: X-Men United
5. X-Men: The Last Stand
6. The Wolverine
7. X-Men: Days of Future Past

The time travel element of Days of Future Past goes back to a point after First Class but before X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and invalidates all of the movies after First Class, and a second timeline begins...

8. X-Men Apocalypse
9. X-Men Dark Phoenix
10. Deadpool 1
11. Deadpool 2
12. New Mutants
13. Logan
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People will be better off understanding everything if they realize this movie should really be called Flashpoint. Warner is using this movie to reboot their filmverse. They were also beaten to the punch by Spider-Man: No Way Home in certain characters from the past appearing.
Even if they called it that, I still wouldn’t really understand it. I don’t remember a lot of the Flash comics I read as a kid.

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I think thatís one of the problems with a character like The Flash. Sure heís recognizable, but aside from a few arcs heís not a very memorable character.

That being said though the same can be said for most of the big MCU characters so thereís a way to make it work. WB/DC just seems to struggle with that.

I think doing a Flashpoint inspired film with other guest characters is a pretty good route to take, but it may end up sidelining The Flash in whatís technically his film. I mean to be honest Iím more excited about this film for the Keaton aspect of it than anything.
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People will be better off understanding everything if they realize this movie should really be called Flashpoint. Warner is using this movie to reboot their filmverse. They were also beaten to the punch by Spider-Man: No Way Home in certain characters from the past appearing.
But we could also say the Arrowverse beat No Way Home to the punch with certain characters from the past appearing.
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But we could also say the Arrowverse beat No Way Home to the punch with certain characters from the past appearing.
Ah yes, who could forget the classic characters of... Alexander Knox and Huntress... making 5 second cameos

No, I actually agree with you, although the old characters in No Way Home drive the plot in a way that even the biggest alternate universe characters in COIE did not. It does seem The Flash is going to lean more towards the former: Fewer, but more important "Variants".

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger View Post
People will be better off understanding everything if they realize this movie should really be called Flashpoint.
Wasn't it going to be called Flashpoint at one point, or am I misremembering?
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Ben Affleck Says The Flash Has His Favorite Batman Scenes He Ever Filmed, Confirms End With Character

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/ben-af...s-ever-filmed/

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