Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Movie Talk
Reload this Page >

I really llike Spider-Man 2, but...

Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters

I really llike Spider-Man 2, but...

Old 11-30-04, 11:27 PM
  #26  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: chicago
Posts: 2,647
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by Rivero
funny, at that moment I wanted to reach into the screen and knock Maguire out for looking like such a moronic tool. IMO a lame sequence that should have been handled differently.
we obviously see the character of Peter Parker differently.
i think the sequence is sweet without being sacharine or schmaltzy, is true to the character, serves the story, and i give kudos to Maguire for not being afraid to look unattractively dorky.
as i was watching i had a feeling that a lot of the younger viewers (teens, early twenties) were going to rag on it.
not making an assumption about your age Rivero, just that i could see a certain audience weaned on pretentious, 'bad ass' heros, would have a hard time getting into the spirit there.
(also the fact that the sequence prominently features a geriatric adult contemporary am radio staple would have made it hell for the little music snobs out there)

Last edited by ckolchak; 12-01-04 at 07:12 AM.
Old 11-30-04, 11:51 PM
  #27  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Michael Corvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 61,750
Received 647 Likes on 454 Posts
Originally posted by scott1598
i think that is a loaded statement...the only reason you say that is because Raimi directed both. But, really you can either compare that scene to a million cheesy horror flicks (in a good way) or none at all, but to say that it specifically reminds of "Evil Dead" I think is biased. Actually, because the movies are so technically divided with "Evil Dead" being almost amaturish when compared and "Spider-Man 2" being a technical marvel I don't think you can say that scene belongs anywhere in the remote vicinity of "Evil Dead".
Okay it was a loaded statement but to take what you said...

I don't think you can say that scene belongs anywhere in the remote vicinity of "Evil Dead".
and just change "evil dead" to "SM2." That scene stands out like a sore thumb in about 5 hours of movie footage between the two films. There is no other scene remotely like it. I didn't hate the scene it was just awkward.
Old 12-01-04, 02:13 AM
  #28  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: London, England
Posts: 720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another fan of raindrops keep falling on my head.
Old 12-01-04, 02:57 AM
  #29  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Posts: 54,199
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by Rivero
funny, at that moment I wanted to reach into the screen and knock Maguire out for looking like such a moronic tool. IMO a lame sequence that should have been handled differently. I also didn't care for yet another New Yawker scene with Parker being carried away in Jesus Christ-pose.
much like any of the Marvel characters, N.Y is a very important part of it and couldn't be Spidey without it.
Old 12-01-04, 04:26 AM
  #30  
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Germantown Maryland
Posts: 2,488
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by ckolchak
we obviously see the character of Peter Parker differently.
i think the sequence is sweet without being sacharine or schmaltzy, is true to the character, serves the story, and i give kudos to Maguire for not being afraid to look un-cool. not making an assumption about your age Rivero, just that i could see a certain audience weaned on pretentious, 'bad ass' heros, would have a hard time getting into the spirit there.
It isn't sacharine or schmaltzy, I agree. What it is is intentionally cheesy, like a Mentos Freshmaker commercial. Almost cynical, even. The freeze-frame on Parker's face, it's like Raimi is just treating this whole scene as one big joke. As for 'bad-ass' pretentious heroes, I loved the final freeze capturing a moment of true happiness for the hero in the last Harry Potter movie.

Last edited by Rivero; 12-01-04 at 04:37 AM.
Old 12-01-04, 07:30 AM
  #31  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 4,086
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Rivero
... I loved the final freeze capturing a moment of true happiness for the hero in the last Harry Potter movie.
As I remember, this is Jack's favorite part, too
Old 12-01-04, 08:41 AM
  #32  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,543
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally posted by evitagen
Singing in the Rain isn't in Spider-Man 2 or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. The song is Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head.
Thank you! It's been awhile since I've seen it, and for some reason it wasn't quite matching my memory, but I'm glad for confirmation. On the topic of.. I didn't mind it at all. Or the New Yorker stuff.
Old 12-01-04, 08:51 AM
  #33  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Woodbridge Va.
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
My one dislike of the movie is that no one is suppose to know who spiderman was except for maybe a few people but in the subway scene, everyone saw who spiderman was. The idea of him wearing a mask is just that. It sort of ruined the whole idea of no one knowing who spidy was. Yes i know it's just a character in a comic book.
Old 12-01-04, 08:54 AM
  #34  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 4,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by scott1598
to say that it specifically reminds of "Evil Dead" I think is biased. Actually, because the movies are so technically divided with "Evil Dead" being almost amaturish when compared and "Spider-Man 2" being a technical marvel I don't think you can say that scene belongs anywhere in the remote vicinity of "Evil Dead".
But the technical side of a film is (in most cases) nowhere near its most important aspect. The Evil Dead films (especially Evil Dead 2) have inventiveness and off-the-wall energy in abundance, and certainly these qualities shine through in the operation scene.

You're right in saying that the scene made many of us think of Evil Dead because Raimi directed both, but nevertheless, the similarities (e.g. frenetic camera movement, people being hurled at walls, creative uses of a chainsaw) are unquestionable.

For the record, this was my favorite scene in the film.
Old 12-01-04, 09:42 AM
  #35  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Relocated to Bot-Hell
Posts: 11,315
Received 146 Likes on 107 Posts
Originally posted by Original Desmond
Great scene and highlighted the difference between the life of Peter Parker as Spiderman and Peter Parker living normally without Spiderman

Awesome stuff
Thought the same. I could almost feel the weight off his shoulders.
Old 12-01-04, 10:02 AM
  #36  
DVD Talk Legend
 
LorenzoL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,560
Received 268 Likes on 205 Posts
I liked the "Raindrops keep falling on my head" sequence but the best part of this movie was the big "reveal" with Mary Jane.
Old 12-01-04, 10:59 AM
  #37  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Flava-Country!
Posts: 3,964
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by roger_d
My one dislike of the movie is that no one is suppose to know who spiderman was except for maybe a few people but in the subway scene, everyone saw who spiderman was. The idea of him wearing a mask is just that. It sort of ruined the whole idea of no one knowing who spidy was. Yes i know it's just a character in a comic book.
Um, no. Nobody knows who Spiderman is - still. Of the 30 or 40 people on the train, when pressed for a discription, would come up with 30 or 40 answers. It happens all the time in real life, with real crime and real eyewitnesses.
Old 12-01-04, 11:29 AM
  #38  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 1,083
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What would they say? A white guy in his mid-20's, average looking? If he were to be photographed then that would be something but he's not a famous person where someone seeing his face would jeopardize his identity.
Old 12-01-04, 11:29 AM
  #39  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Tennessee, USA
Posts: 3,514
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I like the sequence very much.
Old 12-01-04, 12:04 PM
  #40  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 36,862
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
I liked the raindrops, subway, and hospital scenes a lot. They were real highlights in an already great movie.

As for the hospital scene, yes, it reminded me of Evil Dead 2 because Raimi directed it and also because the scene was very Raimi. Much like the shot in the first Spider-Man where Peter is going to make a big swing toward the guy who killed Uncle Ben. The way Peter comes into frame and looks down intensely just before jumping down to swing on his spiderweb immediately brought to mind Darkman (another Raimi directed superhero-esque film) because of the style and tone of the shot.

And I like that juxstaposition. Notice how the Parker scenes in Spider-Man 2 could easily have come out of a movie like A Simple Plan whereas the Spider-Man scenes had a whole Evil Dead 2/Darkman vibe going. I really like how Sam balanced his two styles to great effect in this movie.
Old 12-01-04, 01:59 PM
  #41  
Inane Thread Master, 2018 TOTY
 
OldBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Are any of us really anywhere?
Posts: 45,908
Received 521 Likes on 454 Posts
Originally posted by Michael Corvin
Okay it was a loaded statement but to take what you said...



and just change "evil dead" to "SM2." That scene stands out like a sore thumb in about 5 hours of movie footage between the two films. There is no other scene remotely like it. I didn't hate the scene it was just awkward.
totally agree. there are def no scenes remotely like it in either (the gore though is much more grounded and realistic, which is not done in anyway in "Evil Dead" and yes! i know it is done by metallic tentacles fused to a man's backside. But, what this movie does that I think most can say is not done in "Evil Dead" is that Raimi makes the viewer believe something like tentacles fused to a back and then run amok can actually happen in real life) which is why it stands as so original, unexpected, and genuinely needed to define Dr. Ock in a picture that isn't like any other super-hero film to date and transcends the genre. it is not only a great super-hero flick (which i hate to keep referring to it as such) but it is an incredibly well made and entertaining movie period!

Last edited by OldBoy; 12-01-04 at 02:05 PM.
Old 12-01-04, 02:03 PM
  #42  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have a question that is a little bit off topic. But it has been bugging me. The question is, does Aunt May know that Peter is Spider-man?
Old 12-01-04, 02:16 PM
  #43  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Kal-El's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Fortress of Solitude
Posts: 7,992
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally posted by QuikSilver
I have a question that is a little bit off topic. But it has been bugging me. The question is, does Aunt May know that Peter is Spider-man?
I believe it was implied that she knew.
Old 12-01-04, 08:20 PM
  #44  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Michael Corvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 61,750
Received 647 Likes on 454 Posts
I just wanted post what I heard from a comedian on Bob & Tom last week. It was pretty funny. He was saying what a hack of a superhero Spider Man is. The worst super hero ever. Why? What powers does he have? Can he fly? Well... not really, he can shoot his web throughout the city and look like he is flying. Stick him out in a cornfield in Nebraska and see what kind of superhero he is. See how that webslinging works out for him.

Of course the comedian tells it better. But I thought it was great.

Oh, and I took it that May knew/knows his secret.
Old 12-02-04, 01:20 AM
  #45  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 2,246
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by QuikSilver
The question is, does Aunt May know that Peter is Spider-man?
In the comics she told Peter that she always knew. I honestly believe she knows in Spider-Man 2 judging from the end conversation she has with Peter when she was packing her shit to move. Just listen to what she says and how she says it.
Old 12-02-04, 02:38 AM
  #46  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Land of the Lobstrosities
Posts: 10,300
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Speaking of "it's implied she knows", wasn't it implied that MJ realized Parker was Spider-man at the end of the first movie?
Old 12-02-04, 07:46 AM
  #47  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: KS
Posts: 3,203
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally posted by Michael Corvin
I just wanted post what I heard from a comedian on Bob & Tom last week. It was pretty funny. He was saying what a hack of a superhero Spider Man is. The worst super hero ever. Why? What powers does he have? Can he fly? Well... not really, he can shoot his web throughout the city and look like he is flying. Stick him out in a cornfield in Nebraska and see what kind of superhero he is. See how that webslinging works out for him.

Of course the comedian tells it better. But I thought it was great.

Oh, and I took it that May knew/knows his secret.
Sorry, but I think their comment is stupid (I know they are just trying to be funny, but sounds like he fell flat). I would guess that 75% of super heros don't fly. Sure webslinging is a part of how SM fights, but with his spider sense, agility, strength, and abilty to use his webs in many different ways, I think he would do just fine in Nebraska. Now, put him in Kansas, then I think he may have some trouble.
Old 12-02-04, 08:26 AM
  #48  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Michael Corvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 61,750
Received 647 Likes on 454 Posts
^^ If you over analyze any joke it will fall flat. It was funnier hearing it.
Old 12-02-04, 08:38 AM
  #49  
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
WOW! Huge difference there! One is a classic, the other classic schlock. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to point out the obvious mistake. That gets a big 'DUH'!!!!

By the way, I haven't seen the film. I've been disappointed in Raimi's work since he sold out to Hollyweed.
Old 12-02-04, 09:24 AM
  #50  
DVD Talk Legend
 
The Infidel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: the kingdom of the evil Voratians, ruled by the wicked Ak-Oga
Posts: 11,547
Received 52 Likes on 31 Posts
Do you think by the third movie they'll start listing Kirsten Dunst's nipples in the credits, or will they be simply relegated, once again, as an uncredited cameo appearance?

Just curious.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.