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I'm not sure why movies with "no plot" are bad, but movies that rehash the same stupid plots we've all seen a million times are good.
BTW, some great responses in here defending the "no plot" movies. |
Originally posted by Suprmallet Do you think she actually commits suicide? I never got that from the comic, script, or movie. Unless you're saying that leaving the town is a symbol for suicide, but I don't see it that way. |
Originally posted by Rivero The point was seeing two people connect on a level in four days that many others don't in whole lifetimes. The movie worked beautifully in this regard. The fact that it doesn't have a standard 3-act structure is to the film's benefit in keeping with the authenticity of its characters. Life doesn't always follow a linear progression of events and movie-style epiphanies. I get what you're saying, but, I didn't feel the connection between the characters. The execution left me numb, therefore, the movie became a series of pointless, plotless scenes. I'm not above movies that require a few more brain cells, movies that are quiet and character driven..this one didn't do it for me. |
Waking Life- that movie is all philosophy
The Big Lebowski While not yet a movie, Aeon Flux:the series had no plot whatsoever. |
The Big Lebowski actually had a very standard "private eye" plot. It would be very easy to rework the story as a serious 1940's-style noir thriller.
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As much as I'd love to rail against those dismissing a movie because it "didn't go anywhere" I can't (to a point). Generally, movies that don't focus on a narrative progression from point A to point B to point C appeal more to an audience's emotional responses. And as such, these works can be more alienating or more effective. I can't argue against a person's feelings. The most I can do is try and construct what the picture meant to me and how its construction lead me to that feeling.
However, I find a lot of "plotless" pics to be a finer distillation of the essences of cinema. When one gets too wrapped up in plot points and plot holes the criticism is veering more towards the literary realm than cinematic. It's not just a story on that screen. It's a visual medium, it's an aural medium, it's a temporal medium, and it's a fractured medium. The narrative is just one aspect carried over from other art forms (theater, writing). Let the cinema be the cinema. |
Originally posted by BradJ Wouldn't it be as easy to say that defending a plotless, pointless movie only because it's "artsy" is equally narrow-minded? Despite what some people think, if a movie is artsy and not cliche', it doesn't automatically make it a great cinematic experience. Some movies are truly pointless. We can agree to disagree, but I'm neither narrow-minded nor lazy-thinking. Originally posted by BradJ If I want to see two isolated and lonely characters that fall in love with each other despite moral conflict, I don't need a movie, I can just go to work and watch some of the people here. :) |
Originally posted by Rivero Spoiler:
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Originally posted by Rivero Okay. Kiarostami's documentary DID have a plot. |
Originally posted by evitagen Please use a spoiler tag next time. I haven't seen this movie yet. |
Originally posted by ClownFace666 Grim, For case like that we will use the scale of 0.01 to 100. I would say FIVE ranks at a 0.012 out of 100. Five still seaside shots of 1) a log 2) a pier 3) dogs at sea 4) ducks and 5) rain at night. It would more likely quality as a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001 out of 100. In other words, it has no plot. BTW, it's the best film I've seen all year. |
Originally posted by Grimfarrow Kiarostami's FIVE. . . BTW, it's the best film I've seen all year. The Film Center in Chicago couldn't afford it for their Iranian program this month. And it's not playing in the International Film Festival. |
Originally posted by Groucho Believe it or not, that wasn't much of a spoiler. |
Originally posted by evitagen Please use a spoiler tag next time. I haven't seen this movie yet. The movie is 4 years old, you've had time to see it. |
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