It will be fun seeing Disney load that shotgun and fire down into its big, flappy mickey-feet in a whole new way. :lol:

I keep reading about Disney's first computer animated film "Chicken Little." I've seen the trailer and I'm looking forward to it, but it won't be Disney's first computer animated film.

Dinosaur is Disney's first computer animated film. Yes, I know they filmed live action backgrounds for it, but there isn't a single shot in the entire film in which the background is live action with just computer generated dinos added in. The backgrounds were so altered and manipulated, that for all intents and purposes, they are computer generated.

What's ironic is that Disney disbanded the Dinosaur CGI crew and closed down the CGI facility they set up. What a bunch of maroons!

mickey's twice upon a Xmas was a bit of a dry run i think as well..

wanted to see if they could transfer classic charachters to CG

It is no worse than a live action goofy in a costume bobbing his head while someone talks over the shot

again i say to disney......Why make history when you can change history

WOW just WOW. So many wanting Disney to fail. Well I for one want them to succeed. Disney was great before Pixar and they will be great after. I am pretty sure Disney still has some stuff up there sleeves to show what there made of after Pixar is no longer a part of the equation. Until then I see nothing wrong with them letting Pixar shine by pushing there films while at the same time bringing in the money. And some need to get over this hate for Eisner because he wouldnt sell is soul and Disney best interest to keep Pixar.

Very informative thread. What I'm curious about though, is the 5-picture deal. By my count Cars makes 7 - TS1+2, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, Monster's Inc., Cars.

It is a sad sad thing to see Disney try to muscle Pixar out of their work. I hope this bombs, and I wish Pixar had split the rights to the characters and movies.

I believe Toy Story wasn't part of the deal, and that some of the bad blood came from Disney's hard line stance that Toy Story 2 would not count for the deal either (I think it stipulated that seqeuls dont' count).

Well that's just garbage. From what people have been saying about cars I would have much rather taken the ending to the Toy Story Trilogy over that. Does Disney actually do anything for the films? Or are they purely there as a financer?

A few things Disney did, as much as I dislike them and am glad Pixar is free of them.

Toy Story was the first CG movie, it wasn't exactly risk free. Pixar and the way they worked, was hardly standard fare. They were nobodys at the time. Disney put out a lot of advertising and promotion, and got them big name voice actors. No one else could have done what they did.

I don't think many of us want Disney to fail, at least at the Toy Story sequels. The sad truth is that many of us think they will fail though, as Disney has provided much evidence in the many, many awful sequels they have made of their films.
I agree, Disney was great. However, it's not like Pixar has been holding them back. Disney has been busing churning out uninspired sequels and underwhelming original features. They've had a few gems in recent years (Lilo and Stitch, Emperor's New Groove), but for the most part a sequel from Disney is something to be feared, not anticipated.

Disney could surprise us all and actually make something good. However, that is far from definate and actually seems unlikely.

you should check your facts....they didn't want his soul...just a better deal than the 90/10 offer he was throwing out. I am glad he is out.

I don't want Disney to fail as much as I want it to be reborn. Walt Disney (the man) worked in innovation and original ways to tell a story. We now have rehashes of titles some 40 years gone. The 2-D animation department has been all but shut down, and though I am a fan of 3-d cg toons, I believe you have to keep making headway in the realm of 2-d animation, Instead of schilling second rate animation in direct to video sequals and spin off tv shows.

He sold his soul long ago, about 10 years ago, didn't you get the memo?
Who do you think started this wave of pissing on Walt's films? aka make a cheapquel of a classic feature straight to video, and the ma$$es will buy it and make me rich in the process? Eisner all but ripped out the soul of the Walt Disney Company, and is leaving it's rotting corpse next year. Toy Story 3 is just another stake in the heart of this once immortal company. Just browse all the articles at savedisney.com to see how he single-handedly dismantled this once great company.

Walt Disney Re-Birth 2006! :up:

Funny thing is that the Pixar films are more 'Disney' than anything Disney has done in recent years. This is a group of guys Walt would have kept on the payroll until the end of days. Like minded people with their love of storytelling and technological advances. Early Disney and Pixar are eerily familiar.

Everyone always says Lucas raped their childhood, but in all honesty, Eisner has done more raping than Michael Jackson at a slumber party.

someone should tell asia that 2-d animation is dead. they're pouring millions into anime when clearly it's DOA.

silly disney. its not 2d animation thats dead, its your creative department's collective brain.

-eek-

Anime is a worse offender than (or at least on par with) Disney at rehashing ideas.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a bad thing.

my point is that 2d animation isn't dead.

no matter how repetitive any medium or genre gets, there's still the potential for something to come along and wow.

as it is, disney is doing very little but paying hommage to the brilliance of disney. sequels to everything disney's already had success with (where's snow white and the eighth dwarf?) and developing amusement park rides into movies can only last so long.

disney is involved with pixar and studio ghibli if i recall and one relationship is ending. not knowing much about ghibli, it seems conceivable still that it might also develop dollar vision and want to dump disney too. then what?

what i've always wondered is what happened to tim rice and alan menken. i'd thought rice and menken were contracted, but they haven't done anything except theatrical stuff.

half the brilliance of the mermaid/aladdin/beast/lion king era was the music.

but make no mistake, pixar will fail. i love their success, but at some point it's gonna have to 'miss' on one of their films.

Everybody rises and falls, but I think what baffles so many people is that Disney and Pixar are contemporaries right now, and Disney is not learning from their partnership. And even if the story's not good, at least the craftmanship can be impressive. We watched the new Bambi DVD last night, and every frame of the movie is a love letter to the craft of visual storytelling. Even if you're coldhearted enough not to be moved by the story, the art itself should move you somewhat.

As for anime, sure they rehash ideas, but at least they try to put a spin on it each time around to make them unique.

I'm fairly sure Disney wanted the relationship with Ghibli more. They saw the value in what was happening with anime spreading across the globe and wanted it's own piece without doing the work themselves. While getting the DVDs would be harder were ghibli not involved with Disney I would rather they not be involved with the devil. Their English dubs while nice dubs, as far as dubs go, are just hurtful to the original pieces.


From the sound of it, it looks like many people think Pixar (and Disney) will be dropping the ball on their last join venture - cars.

Disney was the only major US distributor to agree not to alter the films without Ghibli's permission. Ghibli isn't interested in money as much as they are interested in preserving the integrity of their films.

You do realize that they're optional, don't you? That you have the option of viewing the films in either English or Japanese? There's nothing wrong with having a choice.

CHRISTMAS WITH THE KRANKS did well:

Cost $60 million
Made $96,490,636 Worldwide

and the DVD will make even more money

Ratzenberger turns down Toy Story 3

As expected, John Ratzenberger will not return to voice Hamm the Piggy Bank in Toy Story 3, should the sequel continue to develop without Pixar. "I'll only be involved in another Toy Story if Pixar is invovled", Ratzenberger tells IESB. "I'm a Pixar Guy... I actually got a Pixar tattoo on my back". He continues, "I've been in every Pixar film there is. I play on the Pixar softball team, I don't want to give up my position on first base". It has yet to be seen whether Tom Hanks and Tim Allen will return for the Pixar-less Toy Story 3, though they are both rumored to be returning.

http://www.iesb.net/

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no kidding?

huh. disney does do the right thing every once in a while ;)

Please. If Disney just wanted a pice of the "anime pie" as you claim they're doing they could've easily picked up any of the 10,000 crap TV shows being shat at the market in full force on the cheap.

Sad. -ohbfrank-

Yeah, I've heard this more than a few times already. Personally, I think it's a bit too early and we have too little information to really make that call yet. We've got a teaser trailer, but the last few Pixar teasers have all been footage created specifically for a teaser and have little to nothing to do with the movie other than giving you a peek of the characters.

The reason I'm not worried is that this is John Lasseter's movie. This guy seems to be directly channeling Walt's vision of storytelling through animation (alongside Miyazaki of course). I'd be totally shocked if he were to let anything short of pure greatness to have his name attached to as director.