View Poll Results: Which is worst?
Bad Boys (1995)
11
4.38%
The Rock (1996)
4
1.59%
Armageddon (1998)
34
13.55%
Pearl Harbor (2001)
126
50.20%
Bad Boys II (2003)
76
30.28%
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Worst Michael Bay movie
08-16-04, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Banky
Michael Bay does NOT make bad films. Michael Bay makes some of the most entertaining action films of the last 10 years.
Michael Bay does NOT make bad films. Michael Bay makes some of the most entertaining action films of the last 10 years.
08-16-04, 04:00 PM
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I agree completely with some of the sentiments here. Bay is great at what he's good at. Beautiful shots, great production values pretty lighting and kick ass action scenes.
Now, the problem is his movies suck outside the action. his editing is choppy and not my favorite (though in Bad Boys 2 I thought it to be much improved) but he also weighs his film down with lots of terrible stuff. he has no clue how to pace a movie (or even his own action sequences), he's terrible with actors, and his sense of humor is lacking to say the least.
In fact I'd say Bad Boys 2 is Bay's best achievement. And it's far from good. It's got every problem Bay has...way too much stupid plot, lame drama (seriously the "sidney" character shouldn't have even been in the movie) and banter that's not really funny. If Bay would just make straight up action movies that'd be better, cause with a lot of money his movies are great to look at.
Simply put though, at 2 and a half hours, Bad Boys 2 is long, overindulgent and boring, when it could've been a brisk 100 minute action flick with some awesome chases and gunfights.
Bay's films are stupid, yes, but the problem is they also try to take themselves seriously, are insanely stupid, and always too long. Bay is a guy who could make the ultimate style over substance gory action movie, but he needs to reign in his need to be funny and do drama, cause he sucks at it. And, if his movies were shorter, maybe the pacing problems wouldn't be so apaprent.
Now, the problem is his movies suck outside the action. his editing is choppy and not my favorite (though in Bad Boys 2 I thought it to be much improved) but he also weighs his film down with lots of terrible stuff. he has no clue how to pace a movie (or even his own action sequences), he's terrible with actors, and his sense of humor is lacking to say the least.
In fact I'd say Bad Boys 2 is Bay's best achievement. And it's far from good. It's got every problem Bay has...way too much stupid plot, lame drama (seriously the "sidney" character shouldn't have even been in the movie) and banter that's not really funny. If Bay would just make straight up action movies that'd be better, cause with a lot of money his movies are great to look at.
Simply put though, at 2 and a half hours, Bad Boys 2 is long, overindulgent and boring, when it could've been a brisk 100 minute action flick with some awesome chases and gunfights.
Bay's films are stupid, yes, but the problem is they also try to take themselves seriously, are insanely stupid, and always too long. Bay is a guy who could make the ultimate style over substance gory action movie, but he needs to reign in his need to be funny and do drama, cause he sucks at it. And, if his movies were shorter, maybe the pacing problems wouldn't be so apaprent.
08-16-04, 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Matthew Chmiel
And unlike yourself, I know the difference between great movies I can enjoy and shitty movies I can enjoy.
And unlike yourself, I know the difference between great movies I can enjoy and shitty movies I can enjoy.
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All of Michael Bay's 'movies' are crap. My film professor hates him with a passion, but she said he got lucky with The Rock because the people he surrounded himself with during production and post-production were slightly less incompetent.
The worst has to be Pearl Harbor since he screwed up on a lot of basic visual techniques such as eye-line matching, matching action, logic and clarity, etc. --- something he does in all his movies, but especially noticeable Pearl Harbor. And we all know how dumb his narratives are...
The worst has to be Pearl Harbor since he screwed up on a lot of basic visual techniques such as eye-line matching, matching action, logic and clarity, etc. --- something he does in all his movies, but especially noticeable Pearl Harbor. And we all know how dumb his narratives are...
04-20-05, 05:58 PM
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Armageddon
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $201,578,182
+ Overseas: $352,131,606
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= Worldwide: $553,709,788
Pearl Harbor
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $198,542,554
+ Overseas: $250,678,391
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $449,220,945
The Rock
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $134,069,511
+ Overseas: $200,993,110
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $335,062,621
Bad Boys II
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $138,608,444
+ Overseas: $134,731,112
--------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $273,339,556
Bad Boys
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $65,807,024
+ Overseas: $75,600,000
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $141,407,024
Based on the Box Office, his worst is Bad Boys!
Total BO for the above listed Films = $1,752,739,934.00
Many hear may not like Michael Bay's Films but how many critic's here made a film that had a worldwide gross over $100 million???
Just a thought,
Phil
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $201,578,182
+ Overseas: $352,131,606
---------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $553,709,788
Pearl Harbor
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $198,542,554
+ Overseas: $250,678,391
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $449,220,945
The Rock
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $134,069,511
+ Overseas: $200,993,110
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $335,062,621
Bad Boys II
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $138,608,444
+ Overseas: $134,731,112
--------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $273,339,556
Bad Boys
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $65,807,024
+ Overseas: $75,600,000
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $141,407,024
Based on the Box Office, his worst is Bad Boys!
Total BO for the above listed Films = $1,752,739,934.00
Many hear may not like Michael Bay's Films but how many critic's here made a film that had a worldwide gross over $100 million???
Just a thought,
Phil
04-20-05, 06:14 PM
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And many great films barely make 10 million domestic, so what's your point? - all this proves is that the masses are asses.
And keep in mind, most of the people that have seen these films hated them - everyone here's seen most of his films. Why? So we can say how much they suck.
And keep in mind, most of the people that have seen these films hated them - everyone here's seen most of his films. Why? So we can say how much they suck.
Spoiler:
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04-20-05, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil I
Many hear may not like Michael Bay's Films but how many critic's here made a film that had a worldwide gross over $100 million???
i know... you're like "Béla who"?
04-20-05, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
And many great films barely make 10 million domestic, so what's your point? - all this proves is that the masses are asses.
And keep in mind, most of the people that have seen these films hated them - everyone here's seen most of his films. Why? So we can say how much they suck.
And keep in mind, most of the people that have seen these films hated them - everyone here's seen most of his films. Why? So we can say how much they suck.
Spoiler:
I have no problems with the masses of people enjoying big dumb action flicks. I love them myself. If people watched films to say how much they suck, films like Catwoman wouldn't have bombed
04-20-05, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cygnet74
um... that's like saying, "many here may not like Béla Tarr's films but how many here made an innovative, uncompromising film of a metaphysical exploration of the human condition?" what does it matter?
i know... you're like "Béla who"?
i know... you're like "Béla who"?
Can I assume you've seen Werckmeister by now?
04-20-05, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil I
Armageddon
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $201,578,182
+ Overseas: $352,131,606
---------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $553,709,788
Pearl Harbor
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $198,542,554
+ Overseas: $250,678,391
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $449,220,945
The Rock
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $134,069,511
+ Overseas: $200,993,110
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $335,062,621
Bad Boys II
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $138,608,444
+ Overseas: $134,731,112
--------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $273,339,556
Bad Boys
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $65,807,024
+ Overseas: $75,600,000
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $141,407,024
Based on the Box Office, his worst is Bad Boys!
Total BO for the above listed Films = $1,752,739,934.00
Many hear may not like Michael Bay's Films but how many critic's here made a film that had a worldwide gross over $100 million???
Just a thought,
Phil
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $201,578,182
+ Overseas: $352,131,606
---------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $553,709,788
Pearl Harbor
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $198,542,554
+ Overseas: $250,678,391
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $449,220,945
The Rock
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $134,069,511
+ Overseas: $200,993,110
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $335,062,621
Bad Boys II
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $138,608,444
+ Overseas: $134,731,112
--------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $273,339,556
Bad Boys
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $65,807,024
+ Overseas: $75,600,000
-------------------------------------
= Worldwide: $141,407,024
Based on the Box Office, his worst is Bad Boys!
Total BO for the above listed Films = $1,752,739,934.00
Many hear may not like Michael Bay's Films but how many critic's here made a film that had a worldwide gross over $100 million???
Just a thought,
Phil
04-20-05, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BizRodian
Pearl Harbor has no redeeming qualities in it at all. Sure, you all say the attack sequence is good... but think about it for a second, you're thinking about how cool the reinactment of a national tragedy was. Awesome guys!
Ok, if that's not enough, let's expand on it. The battle is TOTALLY cliched and crappy. Sure, there might be a few good exploisions, but it's full of crap as well.
We also have crap like the potato peeler pealing potatos thinking it's a drill, and then a torpedo lands right by him, and he looks down, and gets blown up. WTF? I couldn't tell if that was supposed to be funny or not. Another similar thing... there's the guy who stutters... the base is under attack and he's stuttering trying to warn everyone.. but he can't... and then everyone gets straffed by a plane and starts running. Again, is this supposed to be a funny part? I can't tell! Oh, one more too.. a torpedo or whatever lands by a bunch of soilders, but it doens't go off. One of the guys is so happy, exlaiming, "It's a dud!" it then blows up and kills them all! Hahaha!
I've only seen the movie once, so I can't comment that much on the rest... but I remember a whole bunch of laughable stuff in that battle sequence. Like the planes doing their neat chicken trick to fool the Japanese, what the hell? that's cliched crap. That whole battle was like watching science fiction, the battle was supposed to be over the top and cool and wow enducing.
Pearl Harbor is THE suck. I could at least laugh at Armageddon. Pearl Harbor was even too bad to laugh at. Bay tried to blend Titanic and a war movie together in order to make a lot of money by appealing to as many people as possible.
Ok, if that's not enough, let's expand on it. The battle is TOTALLY cliched and crappy. Sure, there might be a few good exploisions, but it's full of crap as well.
We also have crap like the potato peeler pealing potatos thinking it's a drill, and then a torpedo lands right by him, and he looks down, and gets blown up. WTF? I couldn't tell if that was supposed to be funny or not. Another similar thing... there's the guy who stutters... the base is under attack and he's stuttering trying to warn everyone.. but he can't... and then everyone gets straffed by a plane and starts running. Again, is this supposed to be a funny part? I can't tell! Oh, one more too.. a torpedo or whatever lands by a bunch of soilders, but it doens't go off. One of the guys is so happy, exlaiming, "It's a dud!" it then blows up and kills them all! Hahaha!
I've only seen the movie once, so I can't comment that much on the rest... but I remember a whole bunch of laughable stuff in that battle sequence. Like the planes doing their neat chicken trick to fool the Japanese, what the hell? that's cliched crap. That whole battle was like watching science fiction, the battle was supposed to be over the top and cool and wow enducing.
Pearl Harbor is THE suck. I could at least laugh at Armageddon. Pearl Harbor was even too bad to laugh at. Bay tried to blend Titanic and a war movie together in order to make a lot of money by appealing to as many people as possible.
i dont see where you thought those scenes were suppose to be funny cause i can say everyone i know never wondered if they were ment to be funny , gotta say your not to bright if you dont know if they are ment for drama or comedy.
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04-20-05, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wendersfan
"I'll take Hungarian auteurs for a thousand, Alex."
Can I assume you've seen Werckmeister by now?
Can I assume you've seen Werckmeister by now?
04-20-05, 11:44 PM
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I liked them all except for Bad Boys II I never thought I'd dislike an action film for having too much action before this one. Basically it all merged into one 2 hour shootout with a few little breaks sprinkled here and there.
04-21-05, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tdirgins
Asking which Michael Bay movie is the "worst" is like comparing my cat's dumps. While some may smell worse than others, in the end they're still just s**t.
That being said, i gotta go with pearl harbor.
That being said, i gotta go with pearl harbor.
What he said....
04-21-05, 05:12 PM
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To answer the question about how a movie can make $300 million if so many think it sucks, I have two parts.
1) Not a single movie by Michael Bay has grossed over $300 million domestically, which I assume you are talking about.
2) A lot of that comes from a major opening weekend, after which word of mouth gets out that it sucks/doesn't suck. In all honesty, with the prices of tickets to the movies, it doesn't take much to get it to $100 million after opening weekend. Also, there have been many movies that opened huge and made an okay amount that a majority of people who saw them thought sucked.
1) Not a single movie by Michael Bay has grossed over $300 million domestically, which I assume you are talking about.
2) A lot of that comes from a major opening weekend, after which word of mouth gets out that it sucks/doesn't suck. In all honesty, with the prices of tickets to the movies, it doesn't take much to get it to $100 million after opening weekend. Also, there have been many movies that opened huge and made an okay amount that a majority of people who saw them thought sucked.
04-21-05, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fryinpan1
He brings action, comedy, explosions, stunts, colors, trailer shots, and great camera work to his films. The Rock and Bad Boys II are both among my top 50 favorite movies.
Bad Boys II worked because the only times the film slowed down were during the stupid shack-on-the-sea scene and the end credits.
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pearl harbor
it had a ton of potential, but didn't deliver
yeah the attack was well done, but it was short and there was too much love movie crap to wade through to get to the good parts
it should have been a modern war in the pacific movie along the lines of saving private ryan or band of brothers
that said, I did buy the dvd even after seeing it in theaters. and the two bad boy movies might be worse, but I haven't seen them as the trailers never did anything for me
it had a ton of potential, but didn't deliver
yeah the attack was well done, but it was short and there was too much love movie crap to wade through to get to the good parts
it should have been a modern war in the pacific movie along the lines of saving private ryan or band of brothers
that said, I did buy the dvd even after seeing it in theaters. and the two bad boy movies might be worse, but I haven't seen them as the trailers never did anything for me
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04-21-05, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
To answer the question about how a movie can make $300 million if so many think it sucks, I have two parts.
1) Not a single movie by Michael Bay has grossed over $300 million domestically, which I assume you are talking about.
2) A lot of that comes from a major opening weekend, after which word of mouth gets out that it sucks/doesn't suck. In all honesty, with the prices of tickets to the movies, it doesn't take much to get it to $100 million after opening weekend. Also, there have been many movies that opened huge and made an okay amount that a majority of people who saw them thought sucked.
1) Not a single movie by Michael Bay has grossed over $300 million domestically, which I assume you are talking about.
2) A lot of that comes from a major opening weekend, after which word of mouth gets out that it sucks/doesn't suck. In all honesty, with the prices of tickets to the movies, it doesn't take much to get it to $100 million after opening weekend. Also, there have been many movies that opened huge and made an okay amount that a majority of people who saw them thought sucked.
And i still don't believe that the majority of viewers felt that these films sucked, simply because it's difficult to take a sample of viewers and broaden that to the entire spectrum. Bad Boys opened at 15 million. The Rock opened at 25 million. Armageddon opened at 36. I don't think any of those three films' final takes skewed very heavily towards the opening weekend, nor would i consider their box office success as a result of high ticket prices.
Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys 2, on the other hand, is another story. I think there was an obvious negativity towards Pearl Harbor.
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I don't really see how his movies are any worse than most of the big studio stuff being pumped out now. People will go see endless sequels, remakes, and spin-offs, but yet Michael Bay is one of the worst directors out there?
At least he has a distinct style, whether you think it's good or not, and any time a director's name is known by the public then they must have some merit. I enjoy some of his movies for what they are, I'm not trying to defend him. I just think it's highly in fashion to rip on Michael Bay.
At least he has a distinct style, whether you think it's good or not, and any time a director's name is known by the public then they must have some merit. I enjoy some of his movies for what they are, I'm not trying to defend him. I just think it's highly in fashion to rip on Michael Bay.
