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boogie nights, and Magnolia, should i give them both another try?

Old 08-02-04, 02:39 PM
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Hey, how can you beat

"Respect the C*ck" and "Tame the Cun+"?

for quotability?

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Old 08-02-04, 02:42 PM
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I'd say yes since you wre 14-15 when you first saw them.

I don't like BN at all, but thought Magnolia was decent, but not something I watch often enough to buy.

Check out Punch Drunk Love if you haven't seen it, I think it's PT Anderson's best.
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I also LOVE Magnolia not just for Tom Cruises stellar performance as Frank T.J. Mackey, but it also introduced me to Aimee Mann and got me into her big time. Also loved where the characters broke into singing the lyrics to Aimee's "Wise Up". PTA acknowledged the fact that he copped the idea for Magnolia from one of Aimee's song lyric's from "Deathly":

Now that I've Met You
Would you Object To
Never Seeing Each Other Again

I believe that this line was actually spoken by the Melora Walters character Claudia Gator.

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I plan on watching both tomorrow, but which one first. i want to do them in release order, but i don't want to have to worry about magnolia's supposingly slow pacing getting late at night.
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I was wondering about the same thing for Magnolia. There were only a few scenes that I liked. Didn't really understand how the people's lives were intersected with one another.
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I'd go with Magnolia first. Boogie Nights is more fun and can pull you out of the gloomy mood that Magnolia might put you in.
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Originally posted by Fok
Didn't really understand how the people's lives were intersected with one another.
Well, for example, John C. Reilly (Cop) is involved with Melora Walters (Claudia Gator) who is the daughter of Philip Baker Hall (Jimmy Gator) who is the host of the game show which is a Big Earl Patridge Production; Big Earl, of course, is played by Jason Robards (Earl Patridge) who is the husband of Julianne Moore (Linda Patridge) & the father of Tom Cruise (Frank T.J. Mackey). The other characters are linked to one of these characters as well.

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Old 08-03-04, 07:20 PM
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Both are great films... I hope you like them this time around...
Old 08-04-04, 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)
Well, for example, John C. Reilly (Cop) is involved with Melinda Dillion (Rose Gator)
I think you mean Claudia(Melora Walters).
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Originally posted by Rivero
I think you mean Claudia(Melora Walters).
Ah, yeah, thanks. I'd say Melinda Dillion is a bit old for John C. Reilly. Updated previous post.

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Old 08-04-04, 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)
Well, for example, John C. Reilly (Cop) is involved with Melora Walters (Claudia Gator) who is the daughter of Philip Baker Hall (Jimmy Gator) who is the host of the game show which is a Big Earl Patridge Production; Big Earl, of course, is played by Jason Robards (Earl Patridge) who is the husband of Julianne Moore (Linda Patridge) & the father of Tom Cruise (Frank T.J. Mackey). The other characters are linked to one of these characters as well.
Donnie (Macy) is the former whiz-kid on Earl's show, and also meets up with Reilly at the end.

And the boy is the 'new whiz-kid'. Not to mention he seems to be the only character who 'gets' what the frog scene was all about.

Magnolia is one of the most entertaining, fufilling films I've ever seen.
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watched boogie nights first. this was alot better then i expected. once
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william h macy's character killed his wife, the dude who was doin her, and then himself
, i was shocked and couldn't wait to see where the movie was going next, since i thought this movie was just going to be about the industry. question now,
Spoiler:
after getting the living shit beat out of him by four or five people, how did dirk get back with his friends for the scene with the drug dealer
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Originally posted by Jack Straw
Hey, how can you beat

"Respect the C*ck" and "Tame the P*ssy"?

for quotability?
actually, the line was "respect the c*ck, tame the c***." since i had to come up for dinner, i decdied to stop it after an hour. magnolia is a tad confsing with so many plots to follow, so i called it a night, and will prob start over on friday from the begining.
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Originally posted by Rivero
He's probably referring to the fact that Boogie Nights borrows from everything and the kitchen sink: Scorsese, Tarantino, Spike Jonez, etc., etc. The influence of Robert Altman throughout Magnolia is undeniable.
To me, I always thought that it resembled all those great movies... but intentionally. Almost as a parody. But instead of a great gangster/criminal/drug dealer/some figure/star...etc..... you get a porn star. BN goes through the same stages as all of those do. The introduction to his world.... the good days.... the messed up/drugged up/trouble with the law days..... then the inevitable death/fall/whatever. Then even at the end.... Dirk is talking to himself in the mirror, and it's almost exactly like Deniro in Raging Bull.

Anyways, I thought all the similarities were intentional... and almost came off as a parody... but still remained it's own movie.

But it's late... and I'm just blabbering

Actually... I always thought Orgazmo was a parody of Boogie Nights.


...Never seen Magnolia by the way... I'll probably rent it.
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I think "homage" is the preferred term.
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Magnolia is one of my favorite films. I bought it blind because it was a free mail-in offer. At the time I didn't know P.T. Anderson was going to be one of my favorite directors, I'm not even sure I knew it was directed by him until I got it. I'd already owned Boogie Nights for a year(one of my first 25 dvds), and I love that film too and highly recommend it, but for me it's all about Magnolia.
It gets better every time I watch it. The characters are great with superb performances, it has a great soundtrack which complements the emotions of the film well, and the story about various human relationships is heartfelt in a sometimes dark and strangely connected way. I can't get enough of this film, it has so much to offer.

After I discovered that P.T. also directed Punch Drunk Love when I saw that, I was hooked to his stuff. And I still haven't seen Hard Eight yet, but I am looking forward to it. I've heard good things about it.

Plus Magnolia has one of my favorite quotes used in a sample on a song from one of my favorite bands. Wow, that's a lot of favorites!

"You like to listen to your music loud." And that's fine, that's cool, it's good to rock out sometimes, but you can't do it every day you know, or else you risk damaging your ears. Seriously."
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Originally posted by Big Quasimodo
I think "homage" is the preferred term.
Yes! That is the word I was looking for! Damn Quasi, you pretty much summed up my whole post with that seven-word-sentance.

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Originally posted by basaro


Plus Magnolia has one of my favorite quotes used in a sample on a song from one of my favorite bands. Wow, that's a lot of favorites!
What song would that be?
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Rivero,

What did Boogie Nights borrow from Spike Jonze?
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Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)
Big Earl, of course, is played by Jason Robards (Earl Patridge) & the father of Tom Cruise (Frank T.J. Mackey).
How come Father and Son have different last names?

It's been awhile since I saw "Magnolia" (I think I saw it in 1999 and thought it was eh, so-so), but I didn't understand the Rain of Toads sequence. (Reminded me of Rainy Season by Stephen King.)
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Originally posted by Buttmunker
How come Father and Son have different last names?

It's been awhile since I saw "Magnolia" (I think I saw it in 1999 and thought it was eh, so-so), but I didn't understand the Rain of Toads sequence. (Reminded me of Rainy Season by Stephen King.)
You're probably asking the wrong person since it has been a while since I have seen it but I think Frank T.J. Mackey changes his name with the purpose of sweeping his past under the carpet. He is ashamed of his father & doesn't want any connection to him. This is why he tells the reporter he is dead.

As for the rain of frogs, the characters in the film are going through tough times & this event/experience/phenomenom is shared by all them. It is a experience with religious overtones that shows the characters that while bad things happen they aren't alone. You can interpret any way you want though.
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I enjoyed Boogie Nights (Starring Doc Ock)
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Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)
You're probably asking the wrong person since it has been a while since I have seen it but I think Frank T.J. Mackey changes his name with the purpose of sweeping his past under the carpet. He is ashamed of his father & doesn't want any connection to him. This is why he tells the reporter he is dead.
thats exactly the reason that he gave
Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)

As for the rain of frogs, the characters in the film are going through tough times & this event/experience/phenomenom is shared by all them. It is a experience with religious overtones that shows the characters that while bad things happen they aren't alone. You can interpret any way you want though.
i saw the frogs as a way to connect all of the stories together.

and that indeed was a great movie. i didn't find it slow at all. i bearly realized that the movie was over, it went so fast. i do have one question.
does
Spoiler:
how did Jullianne moore's character attempt suicide? (this was when the black kid towards the end found her lying in the car.
i also noticed that when jason robards said "god damn regret", that it is also said in a dream theater song.
should i start with the magnolia soundtrack for Amiee Mann songs, or one of her albums
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Most people have said things well enough, so I'll just say that the transition in Boogie Nights that takes us from the happy-go-lucky days of the '70s to the dark and disturbing '80s is one of my favorite sequences ever.

It perfectly illustrates the sudden, but severe mood change between the two decades and needless to say, the depressing '80s enter with a bang.

If I had three hours right now, I'd pop in Boogie Nights, but I should probably be sleeping when the sun rises, instead of watching how far Dirk Diggler will go to make a 10 spot.

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