NEUMANN

Right now i would say passion of christ,as far as the other 3 your guess is as good as mine

PopcornTreeCt

Foreign films are also fictional films unlike documentaries. I'm sure it could be nominated but it won't be.

TheHistorian

Quality hasn't been a real Best Picture factor in at least a decade.

Crocker Jarmen

I have a feeling that like Crouching Tiger ect... 911 will get nominated in both catagories, but will only win in the Doc one.

What I'm wondering though, is what Moore's acceptance speech will be when/if Bush is re-elected. He couldn't be too celebritory.

RyoHazuki

I hope not. I doubt it will.

ChrisKnudsen

I think that this movie is monumental and if Bush loses the election, then this will film will get nominated. If Bush wins and there is riots in the streets, then this film will get nominated. If Bush wins and no one does nothing to save their country after this disaster, then this film will not win. If Nader wins, then F/11 will be known as the single most important movie in cinema history but Spider-Man 2 will beat it at the Oscars.

shaggy

Right on. These MM threads are more entertaining than any of this flicks. thanks fot the laugh.

FuzzyBallz

MUhahahahha, that's some funny shit.

rexinnih

Nope.

DRG

A reason this probably won't happen: the Academy is made up of working professionals in the film business. Professionals who largely work in non-documentary films. They'll be more likely to reward a "real" movie (i.e., one with a full crew, set designers, etc.) because that is what THEY work on. Remember, it's not all actors and directors.

Besides, won't this be old news by January/February? The election will be in the bag by then. Granted, they could use the election results to prop up this movie (giving it credit if Bush loses), but otherwise...

moocher

Will someone please tell me why this film should be nominated for Best Picture?? Does anybody really believe it is??

MurraySiskind

What an interesting Oscar race it would be if F9/11 and Passion of the Christ are nominated. Two films with very different but very vocal followings, both competing for best picture. I'd be surprised if either of them were nominated though. I think F9/11 is a pretty powerful film regardless of one's political affiliation but i don't see a doc being nominated. I guess Passion could be nominated since it made so much money but it was mostly trashed by critics. That would be like Independence Day being nominated.

moocher

Passion = Independence Day?? Not the best example.
I think most would agree that Passion being nominated would be much less a surprise than a bloated summer spectical like Independance Day would have been. Even though it made tons of money, Passion was a small film.

I think Passion is one of those movies that most reviewers already had an opinion on before they watched the film due to the subject matter which is very similar to the situation with F911. Its hard to be completely unbias while viewing it. Reviews were about 50/50 favorable for Passion if I recall which is hardly what I would consider being "trashed".

I think the chances of Passion being nominated are much higher than F911 primarily because F911 is a documentary. However, I doubt either is nominated.

MurraySiskind

It was hyperbole, I know. I was merely connecting two movies that made a ton of money and got bad reviews. Actually, according to the "Cream of the Crop" critics on rottentomatoes, Independence Day got better reviews.

Rivero

Er, because it's an excellently made film?

Keyser_Soze2

Actually, no. It's unfocused and lazy.

The other night I was reading some of Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them," and was amazed to discover that his chapter on Bush's pre-9/11 actions -- which comprised all of 10 pages -- was about a hundred times more compelling and persuasive than the entirety of Moore's film.

I thought "Fahrenheit 9/11" was okay when I first saw it (I gave it a **1/2 review), but the more I think about it, the more I resent the fact that Moore squandered an opportunity to make a really hard-hitting, thought-provoking film about the most controversial administration in U.S. history. Instead, he saw fit to deliver a weak, immature work filled with nothing but vague conspiracy theories and blind pleas to emotion.

Such a waste...

ChrisKnudsen

I think Moore knows the facts and instead of showing the complete destruction of Bush's adminstration, he would be just praising to the choir. By adding humor and the woman who lost her son in the war, he is picking up the swing voters. I remember watching the news and they interviewed a woman who voted republican all her life but then she cried because she felt that she did something wrong for voting for Bush. She did and she will correct her mistake in the next election but it was that raw emotion that people see on the screen that makes it powerful. Sure the facts are great to know but it is the death of the woman's son that actually moved people for her kid to die in a war she thought it was not worth fighting for. Not even the far right can deny that. And with this in mind, I will stick with my orignal post.

jaeufraser

I'm sorry, but this sort of emotional response could be found for any war, and isn't a good argument. I'm sorry some woman changed her vote because of that bit, because that's hardly an informed reason to change your vote. Moore's film is high on emotions, but that doesn't make it good. Manipulative perhaps, successful also, but that doesn't mean it works on everyone. What you pointed out is exactly what many of us find wrong with Moore's film...if Bush's admin is so awful, why can't he just show that instead of pandering to the most obvious method to make his point. Sure, maybe he swings the more ignorant people, but he fails to make a point. And shouldn't making your point be more important than just making people feel like you had one?

I'm no Bush supporter, and I'm impressed by Moore's success, but I think his film isn't really up to spec and really just capitilizes on people's emotions and little else. Not enough to sway people who actually think about it.

Abranut

They have a seperate catagory for feature length documentaries. There is no reason why it would get nominated in the best picture catagory.

Spanky BananaPants

All I know is, if Anchorman doesn't win Best Picture this year, I'm moving to France.

MasterCXtreme

I'm with you man!

Rivero

Unfocused? In parts. Lazy. No.(there IS a difference) Excellently made? Still, the answer is yes. Sorry.

RMSpuhler

If Hoop Dreams didn't get a nod for Best Picture, then no documentary deserves one.

RS

Shannon Nutt

They also have a seperate category for foreign film...that didn't stop Life is Beautiful from getting nominated in both categories.

ChrisKnudsen

Yeah I would also like to point out that no other war documentaries have made more than 80 million dollars and have hit closer than home for our generation. To show that this is not a war worth fighting for you need to at least find one person who now believes that but used to. But anyways to keep this in the same post instead of a Moore battle, with this in mind, F/11 will be nominated.