DVDFile's Pessimistic Box Office Reports
Has anyone else noticed that DVDFile rarely finds any film to be a true box office success? They were very dismissive of profitable films like Kill Bill Vol. 2, Hellboy, and Troy, but their evaluation of Harry Potter's $92 million opening got my attention:
"[...]Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban narrowly defeated the $90.5 million the first film in the series [...] However, Prisoner of Azkaban opened on a record 3,889 screens [...], so ended up matching Sorcerer's Stone's per screen average. More troubling for little Harry was the quick weekend falloff for Prisoner of Azkaban: after a terrific $38 million on Friday, the film swiftly lost 18 percent of his audience on Saturday, and another 27 percent on Sunday, despite more playtime for kids out of school. Will Harry last in the hot holiday sun, despite stellar reviews? If the swift decline holds, Prisoner of Azkaban may end up with only a total gross of $225-$250 million and the lowest haul of any Potter film. Not a franchise killer, but not a good sign for Harry's transition to puberty." Only $225-250 million (and this is the projection based on three days of wide release)? Why is DVDFile so hard to impress? |
Probably from Slitherin.
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Some people are insane. They want to bag on movies left and right. HP3 will end up grossing at minimum 600 million worldwide. Gee, what a failure. And not to mention it's a wonderful movie...but quality doesn't matter, all that matters is that...it didn't make 150 million on opening weekend. what a loser!
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DVDFile is always pessimistic and overly critical about stupid shit, it happens.
My Guess, Prisoner of Azkaban will wind up with $285m domestic. And what a tragedy if it only made $250m.. so horrible :rolleyes: Oh yeah, and the film has made a solid $205.5m so far worldwide. Unsurprisingly frontloaded (released in Summer instead of a school week), it seems on track to do about the same business as Chamber of Secrets + a small bonus. |
Whatever you may thing of their conclusion I don't think there should be any question about where they're coming from. The writer backed up his opinion very well. He's pointing out that the film only did as good and not better than it's two predicesors.
For a franchise you idealy want to see an increase with each successive film. |
Originally posted by Pants Whatever you may thing of their conclusion I don't think there should be any question about where they're coming from. The writer backed up his opinion very well. He's pointing out that the film only did as good and not better than it's two predicesors. For a franchise you idealy want to see an increase with each successive film. For a third film in a series to make more than the first two opening weekend and stay so strong is incredible. Warner Brothers is no doubt ecstatic, and I seriously doubt anyone was expecting this film to make 120 million opening weekend until those first friday numbers popped up. Simple fact is...this movie is not a disapointment at all, not one bit. The fact that it is keeping pace with its predecessors is a hell of an achievement, not something that studios "expect" to happen. |
Originally posted by Charlie Goose Probably from Slitherin. |
Doesn't sound very pessimistic to me. More realistic.
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The first 2 Potter films opened in November. This one opened in June. Could that have made a difference???
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Originally posted by fumanstan Doesn't sound very pessimistic to me. More realistic. I've never liked dvd file and their reviewers. |
And even if were to "only" make 225 million US, that does not count the future DVD sales, right? Not even close to a flop.
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Originally posted by Mr. Cinema The first 2 Potter films opened in November. This one opened in June. Could that have made a difference??? Next weekend should provide some better numbers for analysis, if it drops by more than 60% than its pretty clear that people weren't into the movie. |
Originally posted by jaeufraser Really? Who came up with that idea? Also I need not remind you that the third LOTR film outgrossed the first two. |
Originally posted by purplechoe Realistic? The first 2 have been a huge success and when the third one doesn't become the blucbuster the end all blucbusters it's considered a failiar? It will make at least twice it's budget in the US and you STILL consider it a failiar? I've never liked dvd file and their reviewers. I don't see the writer proclaiming it as a big bomb or anything or of the sort. |
Originally posted by fumanstan I don't see the writer proclaiming it as a big bomb or anything or of the sort. |
Originally posted by Pants Believe it or not H'wood's model is spend 100% more on the sequal and they expect a 50% increase in total BO over the last picture. A perfect example of this is Charlies Angels 2. Sony spent double what the first picture cost and expected it to make half again more what the first film made. It did not. They rarely do, but that's H'wood's model. Also I need not remind you that the third LOTR film outgrossed the first two. |
They most certainly do expect it to outgross the original. More money, bigger special effects, and a more mainstream plotline are added to ensure this and that's why a great deal of sequels do outgross the original, but usually fail to be better.
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This new obsession over numbers is a really irritating trend. I'm becoming more and more sick of every weekend and every Monday people going on and on about how a film either seriously disappointed or exceeded expectations.
The fact that a film didn't do exactly how a studio expected only goes to show that studios don't really know what is going on, which is probably why we get stuck with so many crappy sequels (HP3 not included). I know that mking money is the bottom line for any studio interested in staying alive, but it seems like this is becoming some sort of sad little lottery. The people that put out films that do exactly as expected, WIN! Its just silly to me. |
Originally posted by FinkPish This new obsession over numbers is a really irritating trend. I'm becoming more and more sick of every weekend and every Monday people going on and on about how a film either seriously disappointed or exceeded expectations. To me, its like a person on a diet who feels a need to weigh themselves every morning. The first morning they lose two pounds, the next day one pound, and next day 1/2 a pound. They get depressed that they are losing less and less each day, instead of considering the bigger picture that in four days, they lost almost 4 pounds. |
Originally posted by FinkPish This new obsession over numbers is a really irritating trend. I'm becoming more and more sick of every weekend and every Monday people going on and on about how a film either seriously disappointed or exceeded expectations. The fact that a film didn't do exactly how a studio expected only goes to show that studios don't really know what is going on, which is probably why we get stuck with so many crappy sequels (HP3 not included). I know that mking money is the bottom line for any studio interested in staying alive, but it seems like this is becoming some sort of sad little lottery. The people that put out films that do exactly as expected, WIN! Its just silly to me. I mean if box office numbers are your thing then so be it but leave it at that........don't start nagging about how other films didn't meet their expectations just because the studios met theirs.........if ya get what I'm saying. |
Originally posted by AnonomusBob15 They most certainly do expect it to outgross the original. More money, bigger special effects, and a more mainstream plotline are added to ensure this and that's why a great deal of sequels do outgross the original, but usually fail to be better. My point is, there is no evidence that studios expect them to outgross the original. When box office trends point to the opposite, just because they're spending more money doesn't mean they expect it to make more. It just means the studio is more confident that their money will be returned. Sequels, whether we like it or not, are a safer financial investment, as built in fan bases can really support these flicks. But as I said, it is far more common for sequels to gross more in the range of 2/3rd of their originals, and not gross more. That's not always the case, but my point is...Hollywood people can't be idiots. And only an idiot would suspect that every seqeul will outgross the originals. What they do expect is that they will stilll make a lot of money, and in that regard they're usually correct. I don't know why I'm arguing this...it's a fairly moot point. |
Originally posted by jaeufraser I'm sorry, but what exactly are you basing this on? In general, box office trends do not support sequels out grossing their originals. In recent years, there have been some changes in that, and some sequels have been outperforming the originals. And in certain cases, I imagine that expectation is there. But especially for high profile sequels where the first film made craploads of money, no sensible businessman is going to expect it to make more money. Sure, a great deal of sequels outgross the original, but the majority do not. It's become a more prevalent thing in recent years, with more and more franchises becoming that way, but in general the box office numbers show...sequels do not usualy outperform. They usually open bigger, and drop off faster. The films that have out grossing second films are usually the ones that follow up a more sleeper hit, such as the matrix or austin powers. My point is, there is no evidence that studios expect them to outgross the original. When box office trends point to the opposite, just because they're spending more money doesn't mean they expect it to make more. It just means the studio is more confident that their money will be returned. Sequels, whether we like it or not, are a safer financial investment, as built in fan bases can really support these flicks. But as I said, it is far more common for sequels to gross more in the range of 2/3rd of their originals, and not gross more. That's not always the case, but my point is...Hollywood people can't be idiots. And only an idiot would suspect that every seqeul will outgross the originals. What they do expect is that they will stilll make a lot of money, and in that regard they're usually correct. I don't know why I'm arguing this...it's a fairly moot point. The Terminator - $38 million Terminator 2 - $204 million Terminator 3 - $150 million Lord of the Rings Fellowship - $313 million Two Towers - $339 million Return - $377 million Star Wars ANH - $307 million ESB - $209 million ROTJ - $252 million Now let's look at sequels made for the sheer purpose of making money: American Pie - $102 million American Pie 2 - $145 million American Wedding - $104 million Rush Hour - $141 million Rush Hour 2 - $226 million Shrek - $267 million Shrek 2 - $314 million Toy Story - $191 million Toy Story 2 - $245 million Austin Powers - $54 million Austin Powers 2 - $206 million Austin Powers 3 - $213 million Die Hard - $83 million Die Hard 2 - $117 million Die Hard 3 - $100 million The Mummy - $155 million Mummy Returns - $202 million |
Of course there are numerous examples of films that follow the trend of diminishing returns. I'm doing this off memory so some of my numbers might be a little off.
Ghostbusters 1 - 215m Ghostbusters 2 - 120m Batman - 250m Batman Returns - 160m Batman Forever - 180m Batman and Robin - 110m Men in Black - 250m Men in Black 2 - 180m Raider of the Lost Ark - 250m Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - 180m Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - 197m Phantom Menace - 420m Attack of the Clones - 300m Back to the Future - 210m Back to the Future 2 - 120m Back to the Future 3 - 90m Harry Potter 1 - 310m Harry Potter 2 - 225m (might've been a lil more) Beverly Hills Cop - 220m Beverly Hills Cop 2 - 150m Beverly Hills Cop 3 - 40m Charlie's Angels - 120m Charlie's Angels 2 - 100m Jurassic Park - 350m Lost World - 225m Jurassic Park 3 - 180m Fast and Furious - 145m 2 Fast 2 Stupid - 115m Tomb Raider - 145m Tomer Raider 2 - 75m Granted, the trend towards sequels outgrossing their originals seems more prevalent in modern days (Xmen, Rush Hour, Mission Impossible, LoTR) but nonetheless, I think in general it can't always be expected. But I think the majority of the sequels outgrossers were in fact sequels to films that were in some ways sleepers. Rush Hour, Austin Powers, Shrek, Matrix, Terminator, American Pie, Toy Story were all movies that certainly performed well beyond initial expectation. It's no exact science but that's my take. |
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