Question about Star Wars ep.1 and ROTK.
 

I can't believe I missed this in episode 1... When Qui-Gon asks Anakin's mother who his father was she answers" There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened."

What? Is this a case of "Divine Intervention"? Or did Anakin's mother have too many drinks one night out and can't remember?


My other question concerns ROTK. I read the books 20 years ago but I think I remember Saruman being in ROTK, in the Shire?

Please refresh my memory!

Cheers! :beer:

Yes, Saruman was in the shire at the end of the book. That will not be and never was going to be in the movie.

As for Shmi Skywalker, she is just a drunk and a slut. ;)

Re: Question about Star Wars ep.1 and ROTK.
 

1) Midichlorians

2) Yes it was edited from the movie

Re: Re: Question about Star Wars ep.1 and ROTK.
 

1- Aren't they in the blood? Or she got pregnant because "it was meant to be"?

2- Will we see Saruman in the EE?

just curious...but what was Sarumon doing in The Shire?

Kickin' it.

wow, mixing in LOTR and SW from post one.. this can't end well.

Hehe Jackskeleton, I didn't want 2 separate posts for 2 short questions... Let the chips fall where they may -smile-

Saruman will return for the EE of ROTK in November!

Saruman was in the shire in the Scouring of the Shire sequence which will not be in the EE, it was not filmed. Frodo's vision in Galadriel's birdbath thing was PJ's homage to that.

We will see what happens to Saruman at the place the Ents trashed (forgot the name)


As for Schmi, she was given a child by the midichlorians which do not cause the Force, are merely a conduit for the Force.

Oh, I thought this was one of those kinds of threads. Nevermind...:D

This part in the book takes place AFTER the destruction of the Ring. Saruman attempts to burn down the Shire, enslave and kill every one of the Hobbits. It's a terrific and sad episode because we really see how OUR Hobbits have grown from their adventure, what they've learned, and why they will never be the same. They're no longer the naive, innocent halflings they were when they left. Every hobbit in the Shire is forced to fight, it turns into Hobbits vs. Saruman and his minions and Although many fans complained that this was never going to be in the film, just imagine how many more mainstream moviegoers would bitch about the already lengthy ending. The scene now where the hobbits are at the bar drinking and evryone else is oblivious to what they've been through is a nice substitute and in a few seconds also shows that they are forever changed.

The midichlorians excuse is so ridiculous. I hate George Lucas for....Ok I guess I'll stop right there.

OK ... let's go for the Holy Trinity in this thread ....


It is no more rediculous than calling a stoned hacker a mesiah or "The One."

;)

If I'm not mistaken, in the LOTR novel, Saruman is the leader of henchmen who take over the Shire. He eventually has his throat slit by Grima.

I think the midichlorians are a gene or a cell that allows a person to have force powers (lame as that is) that is what I took from that. I don't think that had any bearing on Schmi getting pregnant. I think it was more or less like the Virgan Mary giving birth to the savior of humanity. Granted Anakin had some bumps along the way, but in the end he saved the galaxy from the tyrant that was the emperor.

I'm glad you said it and not me. That's exactly what I got from it. I didn't think the midichlorians had anything to do with the conception. I'm not SW geek (not even a fan, really), but that's how I interpreted that scene.

http://www.killermovies.com/l/lotrth...cles/3321.html

http://www.killermovies.com/l/lotrth...cles/3304.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv...00/3270939.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lor...n_of_the_King_(movie)

Saruman will be in the EE cut of ROTK and will be explained. There is no scouring of the shire to show since it was not filmed.

All the more reason to read the book if you have not.

I think anikan was concieved by the force, which is why Qui-Gon thinks he is the chosen one.

Qui Gon clearly says that midichlorians exist in every living thing. Everything. Even Jar Jar has midichlorians. I believe he also says something about "learning to still your mind, so you can hear them".

They don't allow you to have Force powers, they allow you to listen to and speak to the Force. It partially controls your actions, yet also obey's your will. "The Emperor knew that if Anakin were to have any children, they would be a threat to him." Why? Genetics. "The Force runs strong in my family." Several quotes in the OT from the very beginning all point towards something physical, not just meta-physical about the Force.

With Palpatine making incredible demands on the Force for evil, I don't think it's too outlandish to think that the Force could nudge Schmi's midichlorians the right way to make her pregnant to balance that out.


And while I'm here, I've got a theory I'd like to test on you fellas.
In the PT, we see Palpatine using the Dark side of the Force extensively, yet the Jedi don't sense it. In the OT we have Leia tortured by Vader and yet he never senses the Force in her. I never compared the two directly until recently, but I think that there's a Force trick that both Leia and Palpatine were born with, but only Palpatine discovered and used to his advantage. I've always compared Leia to a stone on the bottom of a stream, with the water being the Force. When she's on the bottom, sitting still, the Force moves around her, and can even affect her some, but it's not until she would rise to the surface, creating eddys and swirls that she could be detected by other Force users. I think Palpatine also has this talent, and learned to harnass it. ObiWan and Yoda may also learn this later, and use it to hide on Degobah and Tattooine, respectively.

What do you think?

i think you could be on to something here. i guess we will know in a little less than a year....

Thanks Brian for clearing that ROTK stuff -smile-

And regarding Shmi getting pregnant, I still prefer this theory:


Less complicated than the Midichlorians thingie...

Jackson also stole a line straight outta EP1...when Aragorn says "What does your heart tell you" I believe Qui Gon said that exact thing to Obi...

Wrong. Shmi said that to Ani when he asked her if he was going to see her again. Get your quotes straight man. You're shaming that username. :D

I think it's a plot hole.

Oh yeah sure. I'm sure Peter Jackson watched Star Wars and said "that there's some good dialogue, I'm gonna use it!" Or, perhaps, they just wrote the same thing.

I remember when we saw Phantom Menace we broke into full on laughter when Shmi mentioned her virgin birth. I was looking for a manger at that point...

interesting theory about staying hidden, especially since vader was on or in orbit of tattooine and didn't sense obi wan until later on the deathstar when obi wan wanted to face vader
unother posibility with leia is that she had no idea she was force sensitive so that might be why vader didn't sense anything from her. he sensed it in luke though because luke had been made aware that he had the potential