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Old 04-23-04, 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Worked for The Passion...
The Passion sounds like general porn. Man on Fire sounds like male gay porn.
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I was actually surprised how good this movie was. I'm on the fence about whether I'd buy it on DVD or not.
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My eyeballs hurt after trying to watch this film. It's one thing to try to go "gritty" when the scene deserves it, but the quick cuts and over-saturation, and flashes of brightness was simply overused, and I just zoned out of the film, so I can't quite recommend the film. Plus it's ponderous and long when it didn't necessarily had to be so.

I give it 2 stars or a grade of C (if you can withstand the super-distracting footage inserted all over this film).
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Originally posted by Kal-El
It's Tony Scott. It's Denzel. It's Walken. I'm watching.
You're missing the best performance in the movie... Dakota Fanning
Old 04-23-04, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Patman
I give it 2 stars or a grade of C (if you can withstand the super-distracting footage inserted all over this film).
I'll repost my earlier question from another thread:

Why two grades for everything?
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Originally posted by scott shelton
I'll repost my earlier question from another thread:

Why two grades for everything?
I don't think he is posting two grades, but rather giving the same grade in two different ways.
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This movie was alot better then that garbage that i saw last week which was the punisher...it was a tad bit too long though...could've cut like at least 20 mins of it...
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I liked it. I will give it a thumbs up, B+ and a 4/5 I will also give it a "Hot" and a "See it" I may even go on to say that it is "fresh"

Now since I finished giving it all those ratings let me explain. It has a good build up. You get to feel for the guy and you see the bond between body gaurd and cilent grow and you feel for the guy. When shit goes down you know why he is the way he is and you see the level of saddistic glee in his actions. The end out come is expected and it works. It's good entertainment and it has a few turns here and there that you didn't expect.

The style works at times and other times it doesn't. This has a lot of MTV style editing mixed in with the score mix. At times the quick camera work gets a little over used but it does play an effect to making the audiance uneasy. At times it works, at times it feels like you are about to have a seizure. Even the subtitles are thrown in with a sort of MTV music video attitude.

Over all, I enjoyed it. Lots of guns, explosions and a story you can enjoy following.
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Originally posted by UKingdom
the first half i hear is slow exposition, and the 2nd half is denzel going on a badass rampage, high body count

if anyone's got spoiler tags for how he dispatches with the baddies it would be appreciated.

here's one for starters:
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plastic explosives up a baddies' behind
I enjoyed it, but felt it was maybe 20-30 min too long. Weird thing is, I'm not sure exactly what they could've cut out to make it that much shorter. If I watched it again, I'd have to skim through a good deal of the first half of the film.

As far as how Denzel dispatches of the baddies, here's what I remember.

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Cuts off some fingers of a crooked cop if he doesn't provide answers fully and truthfully. Then he puts the car lighter on the wound to stop the bleeding. Then he cuts half of the cops ear. He finally shoots him and pushes him in his car over a cliff.

Next was some guy who ran a club. He shoots his sidekick in the chest with a shotgun. He shoots the club owner in each foot, then kills him by shooting him in the chest.

Then there was the C4 in a small plastic capsule up some guy's ass. It was attached to an electronic pager. Denzel sets his watch to page the explosive (to detonate it) in 5 minutes, and the baddy has that time to give Denzel answers. Denzel kills him anyways.

He gives Marc Anthony a bullet and a gun so that he can kill himself.

There's some other people he didn't kill, but I don't want to type out everything.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I liked it. I will give it a thumbs up, B+ and a 4/5 I will also give it a "Hot" and a "See it" I may even go on to say that it is "fresh"


I enjoyed it, too. I can see this film not being someone's cup of tea, but calling it "terrible on many levels" and then leaving it at that (like one poster did) seems very unfounded to me.
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It is terrible on many levels, it is essentially The Punisher with a different aesthetic and even more blatantly wears its heart on its shoulder. What a waste of talent.
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Originally posted by Corvin
I don't think he is posting two grades, but rather giving the same grade in two different ways.
Some people use a scale from 1-10, while others use 4 or 5 stars, or a letter grade. I've gotten used to a 4 star scale that denotes the letter grade I give a film.
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Originally posted by Phyre
It is terrible on many levels, it is essentially The Punisher with a different aesthetic and even more blatantly wears its heart on its shoulder. What a waste of talent.
So it's a terrible...why? Because the movie wears its genre on its sleeve? You can think it is a terrible movie, but at least give some reasons instead of just shooting of judgment.
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Saw it yesterday. Really good. Wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped it too be but my expectations were set too high. The death quota wasn't really as huge as the trailer suggested. The editing was kind of annoying but some of it worked. For example
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the timer on the bomb and the subtitles
worked well I thought. Denzel, Dakota, and Walken all did very well but I wish the last two were in the movie more.
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Originally posted by Corvin
I don't think he is posting two grades, but rather giving the same grade in two different ways.
Did you honestly not understand what I was going for?
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Originally posted by scott shelton
Did you honestly not understand what I was going for?
It appears as if you truly have fooled not only me, but Jack and Patman as well. Do you see a round of applause in your future?
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Now, THAT is how you make a revenge movie. Say it with me , people : E M O T I O N. It makes you care for the people in this story, and it makes you savagely cheer on the violence of Creasy in the second half. We spend the first half getting to know Creasy and Pita ( both Washington and Fanning were marvelous in the roles ), and witness the effect they have on each other. Then, when she's kidnapped and
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" killed "
, Creasy's rampage is brutal and satisfying. Then, like a punch to the gut, we find out that
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Pita is still alive
. Wasn't expecting that. The scene where
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Creasy says goodbye to Pita on the bridge
couldn't have been more beautiful. I liked the jarring camera work and quick edits because it conveyed the sense of chaos and madness is must be like to live through a situtation like this. Scott's work has been " good " to " mediocre " in the past, but I think he hit it out of the park with this one. The score was haunting and fit perfectly with the tone of the story. Washington took this role and nailed it, like he does every movie he's in. The best performance I've seen this year. Radha Mitchell's southern accent came and went, and I didn't really buy the fact that
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she would so quickly turn on her husband after learning what he did
. Other than that, a superb film. Grade : A - .

" I'm going home, too " .

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I really liked this movie. The acting from everyone was superb though Mitchell's on-again off-again accent drove me a bit nuts. The movie was a bit long but like someone else mentioned, I'm not sure what I would cut to make it shorter. Very stylized which I think worked better in some scenes than in others. I especially liked the subtitle usage throughout since they were in Mexico so it makes sense that people are speaking Spanish.

The one thing I really liked was:
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the fact that the audiece was left to believe for a long time that the girl was dead. This made the fact that she was alive all the more powerful

Supreme Sean, I have to disagree with you on one point
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I totally bought the mom turning on the husband. I mean she just learned he basically sold their child up the river. I as actually expecting her to pop a cap in his butt without Denzel's help
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You know, they never really impacted you with any sort of "SHE'S DEAD!" scene, for the while after the bust went wrong they told you, but without seeing it on screen you had your doubts. But slowly they made you believe that it was actually true that she was dead only to surprise you at the end. I like how they handled that. They slowly lead you to doubt yourself and then to truely believe she was dead and turned it around on you. Good job I say.
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Did anyone else think the ending would of been more effective if
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Creasy was actually shot on the bridge
? I felt the tension building up for that moment but it never came. Instead we were given a more subtle and laid back conclusion.

I do however think this movie is far from a half a star out of five in which Alley Hector had given it. Actually I found most of that review rather lacking in comparison to her other reviews (which I enjoy reading). It just felt close minded, as if the person's only reason to watch this movie was to find things wrong with it. Such as the following remark, I found it to be a rather longshot to degrade this movie.

several extraneous boob shots, bikini shots, and sex scenes
There is nothing in this movie I would consider extraneous... unlike another Denzel movie "He Got Game" in which there were a lot of unnecessary nude/sex scenes. Give me a break.

Is the movie cliche, yes... groundbreaking to its genre, no... is it half star gutter trash as presented in the review, not at all.

And if you're going to quote Walken, at least make sure you know the line. "Creasy's art is death, he's about to paint his masterpiece"

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Boob shots? Sex scenes? The only sex scene I can think of is near the beginning, and it is only implied.
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Did anyone else think the ending would of been more effective if
Spoiler:
Creasy was actually shot on the bridge
? I felt the tension building up for that moment but it never came. Instead we were given a more subtle and laid back conclusion.

I do however think this movie is far from a half a star out of five in which Alley Hector had given it. Actually I found most of that review rather lacking in comparison to her other reviews (which I enjoy reading). It just felt close minded, as if the person's only reason to watch this movie was to find things wrong with it. Such as the following remark, I found it to be a rather longshot to degrade this movie.


There is nothing in this movie I would consider extraneous... unlike another Denzel movie "He Got Game" in which there were a lot of unnecessary nude/sex scenes. Give me a break.

Is the movie cliche, yes... groundbreaking to its genre, no... is it half star gutter trash as presented in the review, not at all.

And if you're going to quote Walken, at least make sure you know the line. "Creasy's art is death, he's about to paint his masterpiece"
I agree that that review was pretty lousy. The boob, sex scene thing had me scratching my head as well.
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I really liked the movie, but to me, there were too many plot holes. Well, I don't know if plot holes are the right words, but things that bothered me.

Spoiler:
When Walken said that Pita was dead, I kept waiting for him to make reference to her body. He didn't. Nobody did. From this, I assumed that she was still alive, although I was starting to doubt it towars the end. Why the assumption that she was no dead, aside from the words of the kidnappers? Even when the kidnappers let the first kid go at the beginnnig of the movie, they cut his ear off. I would have expected some sort of proof that she was dead.


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What possible reason would there be for the kidnapper to keep her alive if everyone thought she was dead? He obviously wouldn't be going back for more ransom, since the parents thought she was dead. He said that as a businessman, a dead girl would have no use, but at that point, what use is a live girl? Since he would have known about Creasy killing everyone involved, wouldn't he have let her go to stop Creasy before he hit his family?


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BTW, I loved the way that they revealed how Creasy got the scars on his hand - they showed him covering his heart while the goons had their red laser sights set on it, matching up with the marks on his hand. Nice visuals.
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How did creasy get those scars? I must have been in a seizure because of the flashing editing.


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