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HistoryProf 04-20-04 07:58 PM

As an Historian and future History Professor (i'm "dissertating" as they say), I will offer that I loved this movie...and I found it to work on all cylinders. (i really need to stop agreeing with Pants on these things :( ) Great characters, fantastic atmospher, wonderful writing, and the action, when it occurred, was just right. I actually went in with a pretty good chip on my shoulder ready to pick it apart, but I walked out very impressed. It easily was in my top 10 theater experiences last year.

But I love most historical dramas/epics/what have you....

Dr. DVD 04-20-04 08:07 PM

Thanks brizz. Comments from a true academic.

Rivero 04-20-04 08:25 PM


Originally posted by scott1598
i leave my brain in school and therefore i do not check my grammar or spelling because i don't care.
Ladies and gentleman, one of the reasons the American education system is in such pathetic disarray. Your daughter or son could be learning from someone like this.

Corvin 04-20-04 08:30 PM


Originally posted by Rivero
Ladies and gentleman, one of the reasons the American education system is in such pathetic disarray. Your daughter or son could be learning from someone like this.
Maybe if teachers weren't generally paid dirt, some of the brighter minds would be attracted to the field. But I digress.

Rivero 04-20-04 08:37 PM


Originally posted by Fok
I thought this movie was crap as well. No point to the story and character development was non-existant. Just guys out on boats playing battleships.

No point to the story? Ever hear of a guy named Bonaparte? Could have taken control of Europe if not for the Russian/Prussian/Austrian alliance, Russia's harsh winters and the British navy? Ring any bells?? If not maybe you should take a visit to your local library and read a few books.

Dr. DVD 04-20-04 08:49 PM


Originally posted by Corvin
Maybe if teachers weren't generally paid dirt, some of the brighter minds would be attracted to the field. But I digress.

If they wanted money then this isn't the field. I grew up with teacher parents whining about the same thing; they didn't like M & C either, but admitted they were under the wrong mindset.

Corvin 04-20-04 09:04 PM


Originally posted by Dr. DVD
If they wanted money then this isn't the field. I grew up with teacher parents whining about the same thing; they didn't like M & C either, but admitted they were under the wrong mindset.
Yes, you have stated the obvious. The teaching profession isn't one generally associated with money. All I was saying was that if the salary was more lucrative, you'd certainly have more people attempting to get the job. I'm not quite sure what your last comment is supposed to mean, and I'm not even certain it was addressed to me.

Dr. DVD 04-20-04 09:21 PM


Originally posted by Corvin
Yes, you have stated the obvious. The teaching profession isn't one generally associated with money. All I was saying was that if the salary was more lucrative, you'd certainly have more people attempting to get the job. I'm not quite sure what your last comment is supposed to mean, and I'm not even certain it was addressed to me.
It wasn't addressed to you. Let me say that I do agree with one thing about teachers: with the pay they receive and the crap they have to tolerate, I am actually amazed at how difficult states make it to become one. If the trend continues, I honestly think that a day may come where schools are so desperate they just ask for someone with a college degree and a crash course certificate; maybe not even the certificate.


This is about Master and Commander right? This is starting to look like an "otter" thread. ;)

Inverse 04-20-04 09:21 PM

I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that if you're looking for a fast paced action movie, Master and Commander will not be your cup of tea.

(I think the studio made a horrendous mistake by trying to sell it as an action movie with their first trailer.)

Dr. DVD 04-20-04 09:25 PM


Originally posted by Inverse
I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that if you're looking for a fast paced action movie, Master and Commander will not be your cup of tea.

(I think the studio made a horrendous mistake by trying to sell it as an action movie with their first trailer.)

Agreed.

Sloth911 04-20-04 09:28 PM

I think it is unfair to reflect scott1598's movie critique, lack of spell checking, and general attitude onto

1. History Teachers
2. Secondary School Teachers
3. Teachers
4. The Education System

If someone disliked Office Space and said "and I work in an office" would you attack his ENTIRE profession and his ENTIRE industry?

Give me a break. The generalizations made against scott1598 in this thread towards scott1598 speak more towards a systemic problem than his original comments about the film.

RyoHazuki 04-20-04 09:31 PM

ummmmmm.....happy 4/20 everyone.

Corvin 04-20-04 09:32 PM


Originally posted by Inverse
I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that if you're looking for a fast paced action movie, Master and Commander will not be your cup of tea.

(I think the studio made a horrendous mistake by trying to sell it as an action movie with their first trailer.)

:thumbsup:



Originally posted by jasonr114
I think it is unfair to reflect scott1598's movie critique, lack of spell checking, and general attitude onto

1. History Teachers
2. Secondary School Teachers
3. Teachers
4. The Education System

If someone disliked Office Space and said "and I work in an office" would you attack his ENTIRE profession and his ENTIRE industry?

Give me a break. The generalizations made against in this thread towards scott1598 speak more towards a systemic problem than his original comments about the film.

:thumbsup:

fumanstan 04-20-04 09:56 PM


Originally posted by jasonr114
I think it is unfair to reflect scott1598's movie critique, lack of spell checking, and general attitude onto

1. History Teachers
2. Secondary School Teachers
3. Teachers
4. The Education System

If someone disliked Office Space and said "and I work in an office" would you attack his ENTIRE profession and his ENTIRE industry?

Give me a break. The generalizations made against scott1598 in this thread towards scott1598 speak more towards a systemic problem than his original comments about the film.

Totally agree. I can't believe comments were made about the state of the nation's educational system and the quality of teachers based on a teacher saying he disliked a movie on a message board.

As for the movie, i absolutely loved it. I'm also a recent college graduate. Feel free to comment on how my opinion of this movie reflects our nation's recent graduates.

Supermallet 04-20-04 10:01 PM


Originally posted by fumanstan
As for the movie, i absolutely loved it. I'm also a recent college graduate. Feel free to comment on how my opinion of this movie reflects our nation's recent graduates.
It just shows that our nation's educational system, although populated by teachers with poor taste and almost no ability to spell or use correct grammar, still does a fantastic job of churning out graduates with good taste, albeit into a declining job market.

;)

jiggawhat 04-20-04 10:14 PM

I was expecting much more of this movie. There were some good scenes especially the opening, but then it started to get a little boring because there was simply too much talking in it. I was expecting a few more battle scenes as well. The audio in this movie though is fantastic.

B.A. 04-20-04 10:17 PM

Maybe you should have watched it in the theater (or in a good home theater). Besides the great story, cast, set design, etc. - this film has one of the best sound tracks and the most beautiful cinematography that can be heard/seen anywhere. I was completely immersed in this movie from start to end.

JaxComet 04-20-04 10:48 PM

Good film?....Yes.....Replay Value......Not much

DVDHO 04-20-04 10:50 PM

Great movie imo,it was a blind buy and knew it wasnt an action movie so maybe that is the reason I enjoyed it,I love historic movies and im glad to have it in my collection.

Get Me Coffee 04-20-04 11:26 PM

"Those that can't do, teach, and those that can't teach... teach gym."

NaturalMystic79 04-20-04 11:32 PM


Originally posted by JaxComet
Good film?....Yes.....Replay Value......Not much
Really? See I was thinking of blindly buying M&C 2 disc, but I may just end up renting it, since it appears it doesn't have good replay.

Get Me Coffee 04-20-04 11:46 PM


Originally posted by scott1598

i leave my brain in school and therefore i do not check my grammar or spelling because i don't care.

Originally posted by Rivero
Ladies and gentleman, one of the reasons the American education system is in such pathetic disarray. Your daughter or son could be learning from someone like this.
:lol:

I used to leave my books in school and therefore wouldn't do my homework. :lol:


Anyway.....

I watched M&C tonight. It had some nice qualities that made this film stand out from the rest. It's clearly not an action packed movie by no means, but more of a history lesson. Not in the bad way. Watching this movie you have more insight on the functionality of a working battle ship in 1800’s. This is great in its own right. This movie doesn’t have much replay value…but I’ll turn it on from time to time.

jaeufraser 04-20-04 11:46 PM


Originally posted by Inverse
I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that if you're looking for a fast paced action movie, Master and Commander will not be your cup of tea.

(I think the studio made a horrendous mistake by trying to sell it as an action movie with their first trailer.)

You know, I completely disagree with you. The same comments were made about "The Hulk," that if the advertising had presented the movie more as it was it would've done better. Now, M&C I don't think would've done better with a dramatically inclined promotion. Because now you would have less people in general interested in seeing the movie. Same with Hulk. So while you do have more disapointed people, you get a much larger audience. No, I think the marketing people were doing their job...I don't think in any way shape or form this film was on its way to 200 million or anything, different marketing campaign or not. Simple fact...it's a leisurely paced film, isn't really trendy, and is about ship life with no women.

I happened to quite enjoy this movie, but I understand why some may have found it boring. But to call it a bad movie...is short sighted.

Mr. Salty 04-21-04 12:06 AM


Originally posted by fumanstan
I can't believe comments were made about the state of the nation's educational system and the quality of teachers based on a teacher saying he disliked a movie on a message board.
This is the last time I go off-topic in this thread, but quite clearly the quality of teachers thing was because of scott's willfully poor spelling and grammar, not his opinion of the movie.

jough 04-21-04 12:21 AM


Originally posted by jasonr114
I think it is unfair to reflect scott1598's movie critique, lack of spell checking, and general attitude onto

1. History Teachers
2. Secondary School Teachers
3. Teachers
4. The Education System

If someone disliked Office Space and said "and I work in an office" would you attack his ENTIRE profession and his ENTIRE industry?

Give me a break. The generalizations made against scott1598 in this thread towards scott1598 speak more towards a systemic problem than his original comments about the film.

My earlier point, which seems to have started all of this off, is that when one reads criticism (even amateur armchair criticism on an internet message board) one must consider the source. I too find it difficult to believe that scott1598 is an educator, albeit one who leaves his brain at the door (can't let thinking enter into your home life!) so his comments are less valid to me than someone who makes cogent, coherent points.

I can understand that not everyone would like M&C - I liked it but didn't love it - but for the love of all that is holy, at least try to elaborate on your points.

If you don't, people will think you're 'not firing on all cylinders' (the actual expression).


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