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Old 03-18-04, 11:49 AM
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Basic is another one that can be hard to figure out . . .
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Originally posted by tommyp007
Yet another vote for Mulholland Drive, and a reminder to myself that I need to visit it again soon.
I would throw Lost Highway and Eraserhead in there as companion pieces likely to leave most viewers in a state of complete befuddlement. All really great films if you like trying to figure out cinematic puzzles.

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I just want to post again, stating that I'm super-duper smart, and I understand every movie that has ever been made, and will ever be made. Even the movies that they decided halfway through that they weren't even going to finish or release them, I understand those ones, too. "I'm probably the smartest person I know."

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Old 03-18-04, 05:49 PM
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The Sweet Hereafter
Alphaville
8 1/2
The Discrete Charm of the Bourgeoise
Solaris (either version, for different reasons)
Lost Highway
Wings of Desire
The second two Matrix movies (although only because they were poorly written and logically muddled)
Open Your Eyes (and Vanilla Sky, to a lesser extent)
Old 03-18-04, 06:44 PM
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Swimming Pool
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (it takes a while to adapt to Thompson's "gonzo" themes)
Old 03-18-04, 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Psychlowne
I'm sorry to say but most of these movies listed do not require much thought. They pretty much present themselves to the viewer as nothing more than what they are.

The David Lynch stuff mentioned would be something that I'd agree to, but films like Memento, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club, etc., all pretty much explain the concept/story well enough for most intelligent people to get on their first time around, and with minimal "work" involved.

I'd say a good portion of Ingmar Bergman's work takes some "work" -- though I don't like using that term. Instead, I would say that there are times you don't understand a movie completely and must think about after and/or during a reviewing to fully grasp the concepts. This makes more sense. If I am misinterpreting you, please let me know. Judging by the movie responses, I don't think I am.
I agree completely.

Try "The Seventh Seal" and see what your friend thinks.
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Originally posted by Gyno Rhino
I agree completely.

Try "The Seventh Seal" and see what your friend thinks.
Yup, good idea! Wild Strawberries might be a decent choice too, albeit to a lesser extent.
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Originally posted by Gyno Rhino
I agree completely.

Try "The Seventh Seal" and see what your friend thinks.
I was thinking of movies today, and I came up with that one too, I was gonna post, but you beat me...
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Gods and Generals is very tedious. I needed a flow chart to understand who everyone was. That movie was definitely made for history buffs (although I did enjoy it).
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Has anyone actually seen Sans Soleil? Once you've tried seeing it, you'll understand what real film work is....
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David Lynch - Eraserhead, Lost highway and mullholland drive
Lui bunuel- Un Chien Andalou , Belle de jour
jardowsky - fando and lis, el topo, holy mountain , santa sangre
bergman - seventh seal, cries and whispers , the faith trilogy
kurosawa - Rashmon ( this movie is a puzzle )
takashi miike- audition

i have not seen much of perter greeway's films . i saw the cook, theif ..... and did not understand whatz going on ! am planning to give it another shot though.
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Audition and Belle De Jour are hardly movies that require much "work." They're both pretty straightforward.
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I read a really interesting theory about SPY GAME that shocked me.

I wasn't crazy about the movie upon first viewing, and haven't seen it since reading the theory, but if it holds up, it's one of the most clever twists in recent memory, since the movie doesn't rely on it in the least.
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Twin Peaks - Season 1 (esp. without the pilot )

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Mike, by all means, spoiler post your theory. Don't leave me on edge here.
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Well, my understanding of A Tale of Two Sisters was greatly helped by a second viewing and my reading internet discussions. There was more than one "reveal" and it was not easy for me to tie everything together.

Of course, some of the smarties here probably figured out what was what and what was going to happen all of 5 minutes into the movie, so what do I know?

Oh, and Mulholland Dr.
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Lost in Translation - I don't get it and don't get why people like it

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This should be in MOVIE TALK as it's about the movies, not the discs
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Originally posted by cornbetts
Lost in Translation - I don't get it and don't get why people like it
Who liked it?

And as far as movies that are hard to watch, I would think any movie that didn't have "stuff blowing up" would be hard to watch.
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Abbas Kiarostami's "The Wind Will Carry Us"

If you don't know much about Persian culture, then the film will make about as much sense to you as a foriegn film without sub-titles.

Here's a quote from the director that points out the difference in film mentalities, and what it is we look for in films (intelegence has little to nothing to do with "getting" a film):

“I prefer films that don’t hold you hostage. You can see a film that almost makes you fall asleep and it can affect you for days … or see a film that excites you, leaving you riveted in your chair… and you forget it as soon as you leave the theater. I want to be a filmmaker that causes people to think about my cinema after they have seen it.“
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lots of people are saying mullholland drive... but if you study it haha and you follow all the cues they give you and read up about it it alll makes perfect sense. awesome movie.
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Originally posted by scroll2b
Has anyone actually seen Sans Soleil? Once you've tried seeing it, you'll understand what real film work is....
Definitely. I've seen 2 films this year for the first time that I consider full-on cinema masterpieces. Sans Soleil being one of them, haunting, beautiful, a revelation of how film can be so much more than telling stories. But it's a thick piece of work that challenges an ingrained sense of how things "should" go together.

One film that required quite a bit of work from me was Bela Tarr's 450 minute Satantango in one day, in an uncomfortable theater. I was paid back in full by the end.

And while I agree that a lot of Bunuel's films are tough to wrap your mind around, they're also extremely entertaining. That's why he's one of the grandmasters of cinema. Watching how he handles content and style is awesome.

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