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Futuristic War or Medieval War? *MxR & ROTK spoiler image*

Old 03-08-04, 05:31 PM
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Futuristic War or Medieval War? *MxR & ROTK spoiler image*

The Matrix Revolutions





The Return of the King





Which of these war scenes do you like more personally?

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They both have their pluses. Return of the King wins this better jsut cause I think RoTK is a better film, but I'm still a Matrix fan, Revolutions included
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Im of the feeling that the Battle for Zion is every bit as good as the ones in ROTK.
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In the Lord of the Rings wars, I never had a doubt that the humans would come out on top (in these types of stories they never lose). I also never felt that the bad guys were ever really winning during the war. In the Matrix, I thought it was more tense because it wasn't clear who would win, and the bad guys were slaughtering Zion for a while. In LOTR, it seemed like they primarily showed the orcs being killed. Matrix loses points because of the 5,000 cheesy reaction shots during the battle.
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The horrible cliches in Revolutions ruins some primo FX...
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Just from the shots? Easily The Matrix Revolutions. To bad the actual movie sucks.

And I just didn't like the fake look that Revolutions had. However, Retrun of the King blended CG and physical effects together very well. I'm not saying that the CG looks real. But it was plenty to suspend my belief, and 'wow me' at the same time.

I sorta' agree with CitizenkaneRBud. I knew it was going to be a
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to some extent. Can't that be expected 99% of the time? But I was much more worried (and terrified, actually) about Frodo and Sam. I've never read the books, and was so-sure that
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The battle ends too pat for me once the dead army shows up in ROTK, no suspense and too easy.
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What I liked about The Battle of Pelenor Field was that there were always newcomers to the battle. It was Mordor Orcs vs Gondor Soldiers.. then Nazguls came, then Rohan, then Elephants, then Corsair, then Aragon and the Army of the Dead, then the Eagles.

Althought, I agree that the Army of Dead kinda ruined it all. They looked cheesy also.
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I saw the Zion Matrix battle in IMAX--impressive as it was, it didn't have the cohesiveness, the emotion, and the thrill of the Pellenor fields.

I mean, when the Rohirrim charged, I almost wanted to get up on my feet! THAT is greatness.
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The Battle for Zion was far more visually stunning and exciting than ROTK's batle. There were parts of the Battle of Pelenor Fields that looked too CG. I guess I felt that it was just more of the same from Two Towers. Just more computer generated massive armies.
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Another plus for me is you saw blood in Revolutions, you saw people cut up and left for dead, yeah I know it was R as opposed to PG-13 but it made a difference to me, you felt the pain.
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Yep, sorry, the lack of blood during battle/war scenes lowers the realism factor for me and distracts me. Imagine Saving Private Ryan as a PG13. Old school fighting, I'll take the battles in Braveheart over the LOTR films anyday and in this particular case I still prefer futuristic battles.
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Depends on what you prefer: machine guns with a thousand bullets or swords, axes, and bow & arrows.

I prefer the latter. It is just more brutal. Even with a lack of blood.

And like posted above, I agree Revolutions was more intense just because you had no idea how it would end. Whereas in LOTR the good guys always win.

I have to vote LOTR even though I loved both films.
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ROTK on MxR
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I'm one of the few that liked Revolutions, the big battle scene was just flat out awesome. But, I had to give a nudge to ROTK because it was just even bigger and better. In fact I don't think there's any other "battle scene" for any movie that even comes close to the big battle in ROTK.
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One thing that matters most to me is, do i care if the characters make it? ROTK had me welling up with emotion in many places, and I cared a great deal for the characters. As for Matrix Rev, well, I was never a fan of The Matrix, so I was not really enchanted with this battle, even if it looked kinda cool. Didnt feel like I had a whole lot invested into the MR characters, but I am sure a fan would feel differently.
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Revolutions sucked in all known ways. Bored me to death with all it's supposedly deep thoughts and endlessly redundent effects.

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I liked the Zion battle more than the final battle in ROTK. Liked some people said previously, there is a sense of peril in the Zion battle that is sadly lacking in the ROTK battle.
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Originally posted by Pants
Revolutions sucked in all known ways. Bored me to death with all it's supposedly deap thoughts and endlessly redundent effects.
Redundant effects = ROTK
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How can an effect be redundant? Either it does its job or it doesn't, so I can't see how that would work. BTW, I liked both films and their respective effects for different reasons.

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I enjoyed ROTK more simply because a new gargantuan effect (catapults flinging hunks of castle to fleshy ATATs) was introduced for every round. Whereas MR was relentless tracer rounds and blue steel scrubbin' bubbles.
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I don't understand all of the "no suspense" comments. What is this a football game. Is the outcome of the battle/movie that important? We know what happens to the Nazis in SavingPR, that doesn't make the battle scenes any less intense. I wasn't watching the battle thinking oooh I wonder who will win. I knew exactly what was going to happen (in LotR) but was still totally engrossed in what was happening on screen.

Both movies had that quality, but Return of the King was much more cinematic then Revolutions.

I said wow during the Zion battle but was totally speechless during Pellenor fields. Besides I like my SciFi battles in space, or at least in snow
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I don't get what all of the raving was about ROTK's special effects. Really, when I saw it in the theaters, I literally thought that they just decided to take it easy a bit. The live action was terribly integrated with the CGI. Every time a human was in front of CGI, the background had this awful fuzzy, out of focus look to it. The stuff in the first two films seemed a lot more convincing and well-integrated.
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Originally posted by tanman
I don't understand all of the "no suspense" comments. What is this a football game. Is the outcome of the battle/movie that important? We know what happens to the Nazis in SavingPR, that doesn't make the battle scenes any less intense. I wasn't watching the battle thinking oooh I wonder who will win. I knew exactly what was going to happen (in LotR) but was still totally engrossed in what was happening on screen.
I don't know if "suspense" is the right word. My feeling was that at no point did I feel the Gondorians were losing the greater battle. I think the original orc attacks needed to be a bit longer to give a "siege" image to the battle, so that it looked as if Minas Tirith was desperate and running out of time quickly. Just IMO.

I also hated the Legolas/oliphant CGI - I think it was horribly done in comparison, and really hurt the battle as a whole. Even getting beyond the fuzziness, he looked as if he was levitating, not standing on it.
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Originally posted by FinkPish
How can an effect be redundant? Either it does its job or it doesn't, so I can't see how that would work. BTW, I liked both films and their respective effects for different reasons.
When one sentinal after another comes through a hole, flies around the room, and then gets shot by one of two dozen identical "robo warrior power suit" things, and this continues for 40 minutes, while Neo, the hero of the story, is all but forgotten, THAT'S what I mean by redundant.

I think the winner here is obvious. I can't believe we're even having this discussion, I thought everyone around here pretty much agreed that the Matrix sequals stunk.

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