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Originally posted by croweyes1121
I find it funny that people attack me
I find it funny that people attack me
Originally posted by croweyes1121
because they think (wrongfully) that I don't accept other opinions and yet, they don't accept mine (or, if they do, they also try to undermine it at every turn).
because they think (wrongfully) that I don't accept other opinions and yet, they don't accept mine (or, if they do, they also try to undermine it at every turn).
Originally posted by croweyes1121
How do you know what I DID say if you don't know what those words MEANT?
How do you know what I DID say if you don't know what those words MEANT?
Words speak for themselves. If you intended a meaning other than what was written, it's not the reader's fault for failing to read your mind. We can only go by what you write.
Don't sit there and tell us that we don't understand the words you wrote. We understand them fine. Maybe they didn't really say what you meant to say quite the way you meant to say it, but that's not our fault.
Originally posted by croweyes1121
Have fun posting negative things about me once I'm gone,
Have fun posting negative things about me once I'm gone,
At no point has this become personal. How you got it into your mind that it is personal is beyond me.
Originally posted by croweyes1121
but I've got better things to do than share my thoughts with people who only seem to want to bash me for my point of view.
but I've got better things to do than share my thoughts with people who only seem to want to bash me for my point of view.
Originally posted by croweyes1121
...*snip* ...What a hypocrital post. ... Well, at least I listened to you without being rude.
...*snip* ...What a hypocrital post. ... Well, at least I listened to you without being rude.
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Epilogue - Update
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968793972154
Pictures and video:
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Pictures and video:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...b=CTVNewsAt11#
Last edited by baracine; 03-22-04 at 12:15 PM.
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Re: Epilogue - Update
Originally posted by baracine
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968793972154
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968793972154
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Re: Yasser Arafat's opinion: He just loved it!
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http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/...04_03/096.html
http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/...04_03/096.html
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Re: Having seen this movie....
Just saw it last night. Great movie. Anyway...
WOAH! Rosalina is a woman's name! Are you saying the actor that played Satan was...A WOMAN????
Anyway I just want to ask one more thing in all seriousness.... How do you guys explain the fact that Jesus Christ, as well as the Jewish folks whom dwelled in that area were all black or darker skinned, and not white as we are shown in this film? That is THE biggest inaccuracy in the movie BY FAR!.
Originally posted by SomeVoices
Here's an interview with Jim Caviezel, I thought it was a good read. With the amount he had to endure as an actor just playing Jesus, I can't begin to comprehend how many times worse it must have been in reality for Jesus.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movi....ap/index.html
Here's an interview with Jim Caviezel, I thought it was a good read. With the amount he had to endure as an actor just playing Jesus, I can't begin to comprehend how many times worse it must have been in reality for Jesus.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movi....ap/index.html
Gibson's approach to that truth is a gory rendering that will test the emotional stamina of moviegoers as Roman soldiers sadistically carry out the lashing and execution while Christ quietly endures.
Many days, Caviezel rose at 2 a.m. and spent eight hours in makeup to simulate the wounds: An eye swollen shut from a beating, the crown of thorns, welts and torn flesh from head to toe.
Taking the blows
The prolonged scourging sequence is as agonizing to watch as the Crucifixion, when nails are driven through Christ's hands and feet. Caviezel was chained to a post with a board set up behind him to absorb the blows.
At one point, Gibson instructed the two actors inflicting the beating to hurl their lashes overhand as if throwing a baseball. Caviezel took a blow to his back after one of the actors aimed poorly.
"It just extended over the board and hit me with such a velocity that I couldn't breathe," Caviezel said. "It's like getting the wind knocked out of you. The stinging is so horrific that you can't get air.
"I turned around and looked at the guy, and I tell you, I may be playing Jesus, but I felt like Satan at that moment. I turned to him, a couple of expletives came out of my mouth."
Many days, Caviezel rose at 2 a.m. and spent eight hours in makeup to simulate the wounds: An eye swollen shut from a beating, the crown of thorns, welts and torn flesh from head to toe.
Taking the blows
The prolonged scourging sequence is as agonizing to watch as the Crucifixion, when nails are driven through Christ's hands and feet. Caviezel was chained to a post with a board set up behind him to absorb the blows.
At one point, Gibson instructed the two actors inflicting the beating to hurl their lashes overhand as if throwing a baseball. Caviezel took a blow to his back after one of the actors aimed poorly.
"It just extended over the board and hit me with such a velocity that I couldn't breathe," Caviezel said. "It's like getting the wind knocked out of you. The stinging is so horrific that you can't get air.
"I turned around and looked at the guy, and I tell you, I may be playing Jesus, but I felt like Satan at that moment. I turned to him, a couple of expletives came out of my mouth."
Originally posted by RayChuang
And Rosalina Celentano's performance as Satan is almost just as brilliant, also.
And Rosalina Celentano's performance as Satan is almost just as brilliant, also.
Anyway I just want to ask one more thing in all seriousness.... How do you guys explain the fact that Jesus Christ, as well as the Jewish folks whom dwelled in that area were all black or darker skinned, and not white as we are shown in this film? That is THE biggest inaccuracy in the movie BY FAR!.
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Re: Re: Having seen this movie....
Originally posted by isamu
Anyway I just want to ask one more thing in all seriousness.... How do you guys explain the fact that Jesus Christ, as well as the Jewish folks whom dwelled in that area were all black or darker skinned, and not white as we are shown in this film? That is THE biggest inaccuracy in the movie BY FAR!.
Anyway I just want to ask one more thing in all seriousness.... How do you guys explain the fact that Jesus Christ, as well as the Jewish folks whom dwelled in that area were all black or darker skinned, and not white as we are shown in this film? That is THE biggest inaccuracy in the movie BY FAR!.
I for one would have liked to have seen this done in a historically accurate manner (proper skin tone, more accurate crucifixion, and countless other nitpicking aspects) as opposed to traditionally accurate manner, but I guess we can't have everything.
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The movie that keeps on killing...
Second spectator dies during projection of "Passion", in Brazil...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3559753.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3559753.stm
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Re: The movie that keeps on killing...
Originally posted by baracine
Second spectator dies during projection of "Passion", in Brazil...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3559753.stm
Second spectator dies during projection of "Passion", in Brazil...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3559753.stm
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Re: Re: The movie that keeps on killing...
Originally posted by isamu
::sigh:: seems like no one at dvdtalk gives a crap about The Passion anymore. Where are all the posters that swelled this thread up to 23 pages? As with anyone else, I guess they moved onto another crappy movie.
::sigh:: seems like no one at dvdtalk gives a crap about The Passion anymore. Where are all the posters that swelled this thread up to 23 pages? As with anyone else, I guess they moved onto another crappy movie.
Was there anything in particular that you wanted to discuss? Perhaps it can be revived . . .
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Yes, dave, that is exactly what I'd like to get your thoughts on. Why is it that in a 23 page thread, absolutely NO ONE brought up the huge racial innaccuracy of the Jews in the whole area being black, including Jesus himself??
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How does that MLK quote go? "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Perhaps Mel hopes movie-goers are getting the message, regardless of "racial" inaccuracies brought up by people who aren't seeing the larger picture and would rather focus on something not really consequential to the central theme/message of the film.
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Originally posted by Patman
How does that MLK quote go? "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Perhaps Mel hopes movie-goers are getting the message, regardless of "racial" inaccuracies brought up by people who aren't seeing the larger picture and would rather focus on something not really consequential to the central theme/message of the film.
How does that MLK quote go? "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Perhaps Mel hopes movie-goers are getting the message, regardless of "racial" inaccuracies brought up by people who aren't seeing the larger picture and would rather focus on something not really consequential to the central theme/message of the film.
I also think that bjh_18's post addresses the issue fairly well, too . . . a Mediterranean or Arabic complexion would definitely have been more historically accurate.
Was there more too the issue that you wanted to discuss, isamu?
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I thought this point has been brought up before (usually placed in the many previous posts that list historical errors or deviations). My take on it? Well, considering Mel went to great lengths to shoot a film in the supposed languages of that time period (although the accuracy of this has been disputed too) it would have been interesting to see him cast the film with actors who had a Mediterranean or Arabic complexion. I can understand why he chose not to do this, but it surely would have been more accurate to history. However, as many posters have pointed out, Mel's stated intention with this movie was to make a movie that is accurate to the Gospels and not necessarily 'history', (in quotes b/c I know some of you see the Gospels as history). Since the Gospels don't describe what color these people are it was left up to Mel's discretion. I actually don't have as much of a problem with the historical innaccuracies as I do with the deviations from the Gospels (and the fact tha Mel claims this movie to be the truth, leading people to believe it IS the Gospels).
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Well, it's not like people who see this movie will suddenly lose their ability to crack open the bible and read it for themselves. I trust that people can make up their own minds on the topic.
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Originally posted by isamu
Yes, dave, that is exactly what I'd like to get your thoughts on. Why is it that in a 23 page thread, absolutely NO ONE brought up the huge racial innaccuracy of the Jews in the whole area being black, including Jesus himself??
Yes, dave, that is exactly what I'd like to get your thoughts on. Why is it that in a 23 page thread, absolutely NO ONE brought up the huge racial innaccuracy of the Jews in the whole area being black, including Jesus himself??
In all seriousness, I've read the biblical depictions of Christ(which do vary) but I'd guess he was black. But there is the compelling modern regional evidence to suggest he was dark skinned semetic. The same people have lived in the same places for a long damn time. I'm no scholar or theologian, but if modern perceptions of biblical regions generate a semetic concept, perhaps Gibson thought going with an all black cast would have been confusing.
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Dude, give it up already. anything you have to say concerning the film lost any credibility back in page 2 or something. go watch The Mummy Returns.
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I called him "psychoid" but ...
French Jewish group calls Gibson a "tortured soul"
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackage...7§ion=news
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackage...7§ion=news