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AVP77 10-11-10 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_C (Post 10424506)
So a recent graduate school graduate doesn't own any books, and feels lonely in Japan... staring out the window... give me a break. YOU'RE IN JAPAN! Go for a walk!

Since there's really nothing in the film other than Charlotte's statement in a bar to say she's a Philosophy grad, I find it a lot easier to take that as the kind of lie you would say to a stranger in a bar half a world away. Not that I know whether Coppola meant it that way or not (and in the end it's unimportant) but it actually adds a layer of characterization if it's a lie, and imho, makes sense.

Though I do agree that it's pretty lame that they spend so much time in Japan just in their hotel bar listening to a band imported from the West. It's one step from Homer Simpson's vacation to Japan: "Let's go eat at Americatown!" :D

I still like the movie, but I figure on those nights, some of the other characters seemed a lot more interesting to hang around with - like Charlie Brown.

Sondheim 10-11-10 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10423275)
Orson Scott Card's comments are also quite puzzling to me. Who comes out of this movie thinking it's a movie about Japan? It's a movie about two disconnected souls who find each other. Japan is just the setting that allows it to happen.

Orson Scott Card has made a lot of puzzling comments on his website. Putting aside his really special political opinions (he's fond of the term "Leftaliban" and believes that homosexual acts should be outlawed), he has a strong dislike of what he deems to be "self-conscious" artistry, whether in literature or film or anything else (with occasional exceptions - he did love "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" and "Donnie Darko".) And he's constantly ranting about those damned elitists who read and praise "unreadable" books with unlikeable characters (anything by Joyce, Vonnegut, McCarthy, etc.)

He also produced this amazing quote:

Originally Posted by Orson Scott Card
But many of you will think, as I do, that this is a masterpiece that makes you aware of just how silly, empty, and shallow Citizen Kane is.

What Citizen Kane pretends to be, Donnie Darko really is.

No, it doesn't really make much more sense in context. I've liked a lot of Card's novels, and there's no denying that he's an intelligent person - but I've learned that it's best just to ignore his opinions on politics or art.

Supermallet 10-11-10 06:17 PM

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I already knew his opinions on politics, but...yeah.

NIMH Rat 10-11-10 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse (Post 10424310)
Absolutely. An amazing film.

That Bill didn't take home the Oscar is sickening. All because Sean Penn went on yet another of his 'Oscar campaigns', kissing ass and chumming it up with influential people to get votes, and he won for a mediocre performance in a mediocre film.

Having read the script, I'm in awe of how much Bill Murray owns the content. His character in the script basically doesn't say a word until he shoots the commercial ("more intensity, etc."). Murray pretty much embodied the character and gave him a voice.

Oh, and whoever thinks this movie is racist or doesn't represent the "real" Tokyo can **** off.

Jack Straw 10-11-10 09:14 PM

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This is one of my favorite movies from any year. Where some people cannot get drawn into the characters, I totally became invested in them. This one has high re-watch appeal, and I will definitely be picking it up on BD after I find out that it's been released. The movie works much better with them not having sex.

sleepyhead55 10-12-10 01:44 AM

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I saw this in the theater when it came out like 6 or 7 years ago. A few years ago I bought the dvd used for less than 5 bucks. On subsequent viewings, I have come to appreciate the film even more. I just love the quietness of this film. It's not one of those loud films that draws attention to itself for the most part. Depending on how I feel, I can either watch this as a dramatic comedy or a character study.

The karaoke scenes are both hiliarious and touching at the same time. It doesn't hurt that the singing by Johansson and Murray is awful. I feel happy after watching this film and I know that'll sound really weird but after watching this it lifts my spirits. The soundtrack is great too and adds to the mood of the film.

Can't wait to pick it up in January on BD if the rumors are true.

Sean O'Hara 10-12-10 09:21 AM

Re: Lost in Translation: why do my friends hate it?
 

Originally Posted by Mike_C (Post 10424506)
So a recent graduate school graduate doesn't own any books, and feels lonely in Japan... staring out the window... give me a break. YOU'RE IN JAPAN! Go for a walk! Get drunk at a local pub! Go to the local izakaya! Talk about a loser.

Did you actually watch the movie? She does all that -- she wanders around Tokyo, goes to Kyoto, hangs out with Japanese friends at clubs. Her alienation is deeper than being in a foreign country, and saying she should just go out for a drink shows a shallow understanding of her character.

Mabuse 10-12-10 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_C (Post 10424506)
Go to the local izakaya!...I've been in Osaka and Nara... I was married to Japanese woman...

Jacking off to hentai doesn't count. I picture you in your mom's basement wearing a Kimba the White Lion t-shirt, furiously posting on the internet about your Japanese "cred".

inri222 10-12-10 05:10 PM

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http://rlv.zcache.com/kimba_the_whit...15uye8_400.jpg

Trout 10-12-10 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyhead55 (Post 10425296)
I just love the quietness of this film. It's not one of those loud films that draws attention to itself for the most part. Depending on how I feel, I can either watch this as a dramatic comedy or a character study.

The karaoke scenes are both hiliarious and touching at the same time. It doesn't hurt that the singing by Johansson and Murray is awful. I feel happy after watching this film and I know that'll sound really weird but after watching this it lifts my spirits. The soundtrack is great too and adds to the mood of the film.

This right here pretty much sums it up.

GreenVulture 10-12-10 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse (Post 10424310)
That Bill didn't take home the Oscar is sickening.

Why? It's just a slightly more serious riff on his sad sack role in Rushmore (which is the movie he should have gotten an Oscar for and has been the template for almost every Murray performance since then).

Saw this movie twice. Each time after the credits rolled, I've thought to myself, "Solid movie...so what else is on?"

Mike_C 10-12-10 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 10426648)
Jacking off to hentai doesn't count. I picture you in your mom's basement wearing a Kimba the White Lion t-shirt, furiously posting on the internet about your Japanese "cred".

Sure thing. You can tell by my high post count how much I relish posting about anything. Yeesh.

And of course, if I articulate a dislike for a film you care about, it makes sense to launch personal attacks and put downs - coming from someone with over 1,500 posts, it does seem a bit ironic that you accuse me of 'furiously posting'. Pot, meet kettle.

Well, I'm out. It was a lousy film, you may disagree. That's what art does to people, no? Creates differences in interpretation and emotional involvement.

musick 10-12-10 09:56 PM

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in case I didn't answer earlier in the thread.....

..... because your freinds have good taste apparently

Decker 06-05-18 01:08 AM

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I just watched this tonight with my daughter. First time Iíve seen it since it was new on DVD almost 15 years ago. Man, I enjoyed it so much more now (and I liked it then). Maybe because itís a different point in my life or maybe because I miss that particular version of Bill Murray. In any case, what an amazing, touching movie.

Maybe 15 years is the right amount of time to elapse between viewings of a movie you really liked? It was long enough to erase almost all memories of the scenes, but still remember the plot points (such as they are here) and the general vibe of the film.

I read a Tweet after Spike Jonze won a Best Original Screenplay Oscar that this movie and Her are two Oscar-winning meditations from both sides of the same failed marriage. Itís a fascinating theory ó especially when you consider how both writer/directors view Scarlett Johanssonís character (as either an intriguing observer or a master manipulator) and how much Giovanni Ribisiís photographer character indeed looks like Spike.

Why So Blu? 06-05-18 01:28 AM

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I've yet to see this film.

Hazel Motes 06-05-18 01:31 AM

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The only movie from this millenium that makes my Top 5 favorite movies of all-time list.

Ash Ketchum 06-05-18 06:14 AM

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Wow, thanks to Mabuse, Mike C's tenure on this board was pretty short. -eek-

(If it wasn't for the six-year thread bump, followed by an eight-year one, I never would have noticed.)

TheMovieman 06-05-18 10:30 AM

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I saw this in the theaters and loved it then, still love it now. Probably ranks in my top 5 as well.

Mabuse 06-05-18 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 13346174)
Wow, thanks to Mabuse, Mike C's tenure on this board was pretty short. -eek-

(If it wasn't for the six-year thread bump, followed by an eight-year one, I never would have noticed.)

Go read his review, we are better off without him. It is funny how he points to my then 1,500 post count. Wow I've posted a lot.

inri222 06-05-18 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13346147)
I read a Tweet after Spike Jonze won a Best Original Screenplay Oscar that this movie and Her are two Oscar-winning meditations from both sides of the same failed marriage.

Very interesting, even though I love LOT and disliked Her.

rbrown498 06-06-18 01:15 AM

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Thanks to the bump, I just discovered this thread. To be honest, I never really knew that anyone vehemently despised this film...but, then again, it's my favorite movie. Not of the millennium, not of the last 25 years, but of all time. (See my avatar for further proof.)

Decker suggested that 15 years is a good amount of time to have elapse before rewatching a film you like. I find myself watching Lost in Translation about every six months or so. It speaks to me on so many levels that I find myself aching to see it again very often. I lived in Japan for a while between 2002 and 2004, and since I can't get back to visit very often, this film has become my substitute round-trip ticket. Because it was made during the time that I lived there, it's almost like stepping back into photographs that I took. For me, it's able to immediately conjure an aching nostalgia which I find comforting to wallow in every so often.

As to whether it's a great film or merely a good film, I can' say...and it really doesn't matter. I think that the films that touch us the most are the ones that we have the most difficulty giving reasons as to why we love them.


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