Composer Mikis Theodorakis: musical genius or anti-semite dope?
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Composer Mikis Theodorakis: musical genius or anti-semite dope?
For those unfamiliar with the name, some of his more notable works are Zorba the Greek, Serpico, and Z.
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Greek composer and cultural icon Mikis Theodorakis added his contribution to the anti-Semitic miasma rising in parts of the world by characterizing the Jews as the root of the world's evils.
Theodorakis, a towering figure in Greek music best known outside his native land for scoring the music for the film Zorba the Greek, took his shot at the Jews at a press conference to launch a new book.
"We, the Greeks, did not turn aggressive like them because we have more history," Theodorakis was quoted by Y-net as saying. "Today it is possible to say that this small nation is the root of evil. It is full of self-importance and evil stubbornness."
According to the Y-net report, the Greek education and cultural minister were in the audience at the time, but did not respond.
Theodorakis, responding to recent comments by a Greek statesman that the Greeks and Jews are similar because neither have friends, said, "The fact that we are very calm and did not turn aggressive like them is because we have more history. They only have Abraham and Jacob, who were shadows, while we have Pericles. Imagine what would happen in Greece if we were as aggressive as the Jews."
The composer added that the Greeks are not characterized by the fanaticism of the Jews.
Israel's Foreign Ministry issued a statement calling on Greek leaders and cultural figures to distance themselves from the remarks.
"The Israel public is utterly repulsed" by Theodorakis's "anti-Semitic comments," the statement said, and expressed regret that they were spoken by someone of his stature.
"We do not believe that the comments reflect the position of the Greek government, and therefore expect Greek leadership and cultural figures to denounce them," the statement read."
Labor Party head Shimon Peres, who returned Tuesday from a brief visit to Greece, said in response to Theodorakis comments that Israel's image in Europe is very bad. "There is anti-Semitism and a great deal of hatred to Israel," Peres said. "It is impossible to build a new Europe on old racist positions."
Theodorakis, a towering figure in Greek music best known outside his native land for scoring the music for the film Zorba the Greek, took his shot at the Jews at a press conference to launch a new book.
"We, the Greeks, did not turn aggressive like them because we have more history," Theodorakis was quoted by Y-net as saying. "Today it is possible to say that this small nation is the root of evil. It is full of self-importance and evil stubbornness."
According to the Y-net report, the Greek education and cultural minister were in the audience at the time, but did not respond.
Theodorakis, responding to recent comments by a Greek statesman that the Greeks and Jews are similar because neither have friends, said, "The fact that we are very calm and did not turn aggressive like them is because we have more history. They only have Abraham and Jacob, who were shadows, while we have Pericles. Imagine what would happen in Greece if we were as aggressive as the Jews."
The composer added that the Greeks are not characterized by the fanaticism of the Jews.
Israel's Foreign Ministry issued a statement calling on Greek leaders and cultural figures to distance themselves from the remarks.
"The Israel public is utterly repulsed" by Theodorakis's "anti-Semitic comments," the statement said, and expressed regret that they were spoken by someone of his stature.
"We do not believe that the comments reflect the position of the Greek government, and therefore expect Greek leadership and cultural figures to denounce them," the statement read."
Labor Party head Shimon Peres, who returned Tuesday from a brief visit to Greece, said in response to Theodorakis comments that Israel's image in Europe is very bad. "There is anti-Semitism and a great deal of hatred to Israel," Peres said. "It is impossible to build a new Europe on old racist positions."
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Ooookaaaay...I guess all I can add is proof, yet again, that one can be a great artist and a piece of shit as a human. (Ref.: Wagner, Otto Preminger, Louis-Ferdinand Celine, etc.)
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From today's UK Guardian:
Greece tackles its image as a state of racists
Poll underlines urgency of anti-discrimination bill
Helena Smith in Athens
Tuesday November 11, 2003
The Guardian
Greeks found guilty of discriminating against religious or ethnic groups will face up to a year in prison under legislation presented by the Athens government in attempts to quash a rise in racist incidents.
The measure, included in a new anti-discrimination law, follows a rash of confrontations with the growing immigrant population. One attack prompted a protest by Pakistani migrants in Athens.
"This is a law whose aim is to try to guarantee the equal treatment of all people," said the justice minister, Philippos Petsalnikos. "More work needs to be done to ensure the smooth integration of immigrant communities."
The bill, which aims to bring Greece in line with EU anti-discrimination standards, is expected to be approved by the Socialist-dominated parliament before the end of the year.
Coming on the day in which the Simon Wiesenthal Centre issued a travel advisory to Jews thinking of visiting Greece in the wake of a spate of anti-semitic incidents, the poll revealed evidence of Greeks being the most xenophobic people in Europe.
The poll, commissioned by the European Social Survey, showed most Greeks believed immigrants caused unemployment. More than 79% said they should be deported if caught committing a crime. By contrast, only 41% of Britons held the same views.
More than 10% of Greece's 11 million-strong population are thought to be immigrants. Although the vast majority are Albanians, increasing numbers have begun to arrive, illegally, from the developing world.
With Greece's proximity to the Middle East, most say they see the country as the easiest backdoor entrance to Fortress Europe.
But human rights activists say "institutionalised intolerance" is such that the state has failed to assimilate the immigrants adequately, despite pledges to give many of them work and residence permits.
The new law follows a rash of embarrassing incidents over the treatment of immigrants, including the refusal of state-run hospitals to offer them healthcare. While the media, politicians and church leaders regularly indulge in racist invective, classified ads in Athens frequently state "no foreigners" for home rentals.
An Albanian boy, whose top grades had earned him the right to carry the Greek flag at a national parade, was prevented from doing so after nationalist protests.
At least 25% of pupils in Greek schools are believed to be the children of immigrants, according to polls.
Last week the Pakistani owner of a video store was badly beaten, along with a Pakistani bystander, by about 20 youths on motorcycles outside his Athens shop.
The xenophobic attitudes have been increasingly blamed on the absence of a civil society in Greece and the lack of an anti-racist education in a country where children are still taught to take immense pride in their "ethnic purity".
"It's not that Greeks are implicitly racist, they have just never been taught anything different," said Panayote Dimitras of the the Greek Helsinki Monitor.
"Greece is at the point where most democratic European countries were before the second world war."
While human rights groups welcomed the anti-discrimination bill, they questioned whether the country's ultraconservative judges and prosecutors would be prepared to implement it. "It's an important step but by itself it means nothing if the courts don't change their mentality and are allowed to ignore it with impunity," Mr Dimitras said.
Immigrants under siege
· Many villages impose night-time curfews on immigrants' movements, with some communities setting up vigilante groups to enforce the restrictions. There have also been incidents of border guards shooting at Albanians trying to enter the country
· Greek newspapers often carry anti-semitic, anti-Albanian and anti-immigrant letters and headlines. Jewish cemeteries have been desecrated. Greece's 120,000-strong Turkish Muslim minority often complains of discrimination
· Courts invariably refuse to prosecute cases involving racial hatred or incitement to violence
· Hospitals regularly refuse to treat immigrants
· Immigrant school children - accounting for 25% of pupils across Greece - are not allowed to take lead roles in national parades.
Poll underlines urgency of anti-discrimination bill
Helena Smith in Athens
Tuesday November 11, 2003
The Guardian
Greeks found guilty of discriminating against religious or ethnic groups will face up to a year in prison under legislation presented by the Athens government in attempts to quash a rise in racist incidents.
The measure, included in a new anti-discrimination law, follows a rash of confrontations with the growing immigrant population. One attack prompted a protest by Pakistani migrants in Athens.
"This is a law whose aim is to try to guarantee the equal treatment of all people," said the justice minister, Philippos Petsalnikos. "More work needs to be done to ensure the smooth integration of immigrant communities."
The bill, which aims to bring Greece in line with EU anti-discrimination standards, is expected to be approved by the Socialist-dominated parliament before the end of the year.
Coming on the day in which the Simon Wiesenthal Centre issued a travel advisory to Jews thinking of visiting Greece in the wake of a spate of anti-semitic incidents, the poll revealed evidence of Greeks being the most xenophobic people in Europe.
The poll, commissioned by the European Social Survey, showed most Greeks believed immigrants caused unemployment. More than 79% said they should be deported if caught committing a crime. By contrast, only 41% of Britons held the same views.
More than 10% of Greece's 11 million-strong population are thought to be immigrants. Although the vast majority are Albanians, increasing numbers have begun to arrive, illegally, from the developing world.
With Greece's proximity to the Middle East, most say they see the country as the easiest backdoor entrance to Fortress Europe.
But human rights activists say "institutionalised intolerance" is such that the state has failed to assimilate the immigrants adequately, despite pledges to give many of them work and residence permits.
The new law follows a rash of embarrassing incidents over the treatment of immigrants, including the refusal of state-run hospitals to offer them healthcare. While the media, politicians and church leaders regularly indulge in racist invective, classified ads in Athens frequently state "no foreigners" for home rentals.
An Albanian boy, whose top grades had earned him the right to carry the Greek flag at a national parade, was prevented from doing so after nationalist protests.
At least 25% of pupils in Greek schools are believed to be the children of immigrants, according to polls.
Last week the Pakistani owner of a video store was badly beaten, along with a Pakistani bystander, by about 20 youths on motorcycles outside his Athens shop.
The xenophobic attitudes have been increasingly blamed on the absence of a civil society in Greece and the lack of an anti-racist education in a country where children are still taught to take immense pride in their "ethnic purity".
"It's not that Greeks are implicitly racist, they have just never been taught anything different," said Panayote Dimitras of the the Greek Helsinki Monitor.
"Greece is at the point where most democratic European countries were before the second world war."
While human rights groups welcomed the anti-discrimination bill, they questioned whether the country's ultraconservative judges and prosecutors would be prepared to implement it. "It's an important step but by itself it means nothing if the courts don't change their mentality and are allowed to ignore it with impunity," Mr Dimitras said.
Immigrants under siege
· Many villages impose night-time curfews on immigrants' movements, with some communities setting up vigilante groups to enforce the restrictions. There have also been incidents of border guards shooting at Albanians trying to enter the country
· Greek newspapers often carry anti-semitic, anti-Albanian and anti-immigrant letters and headlines. Jewish cemeteries have been desecrated. Greece's 120,000-strong Turkish Muslim minority often complains of discrimination
· Courts invariably refuse to prosecute cases involving racial hatred or incitement to violence
· Hospitals regularly refuse to treat immigrants
· Immigrant school children - accounting for 25% of pupils across Greece - are not allowed to take lead roles in national parades.
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Sorry, my American friends, but Greeks and Israelis are practically neighbours, they can actually say no matter what they want about each others. If there's bad blood between them, it's most probably much older than the U.S. as a country, so I really don't think you're entitled to jump to quick opinions...
Too often we see Americans judging the rest of the world - "labeling" is a national sport...
In any case, Theodorakis has a heritage to answer to, and if that is the final product, your opinions on an internet forum won't do a thing to channge it.
And shouldn't this be in Other Talk, anyway? What's this got to do with movies?
Too often we see Americans judging the rest of the world - "labeling" is a national sport...
In any case, Theodorakis has a heritage to answer to, and if that is the final product, your opinions on an internet forum won't do a thing to channge it.
And shouldn't this be in Other Talk, anyway? What's this got to do with movies?
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Only one person replied to this thread, which was labeling a Greek, not Greece. I'm not sure it's your American friends that are jumping to a quick opinion.
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Answering the thread's topical question, I say why can't he be both? Heck, I love Daniel Carver's movie reviews...
As far as Mr. Theodorakis is concerned, he's one more racist peckerhead who can simply be ignored.
Or should I sink to his game and quote Ghost World?
As far as Mr. Theodorakis is concerned, he's one more racist peckerhead who can simply be ignored.
Or should I sink to his game and quote Ghost World?
Sidewinder Boss: How many times do I have to tell you? No shirt, no service! Get the hell out of my store! What do you think this is, Club Med?
Doug: It's called America, dude. Learn the rules!
Sidewinder Boss: "Learn the rules?" No, YOU learn the rules! We Greeks invented democracy!
Doug: You also invented homos!
Sidewinder Boss: F*** you!
Doug: You wish! You gotta buy me dinner first!
Doug: It's called America, dude. Learn the rules!
Sidewinder Boss: "Learn the rules?" No, YOU learn the rules! We Greeks invented democracy!
Doug: You also invented homos!
Sidewinder Boss: F*** you!
Doug: You wish! You gotta buy me dinner first!
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They only have Abraham and Jacob, who were shadows, while we have Pericles.
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Originally posted by Playitagainsam
Sorry, my American friends, but Greeks and Israelis are practically neighbours, they can actually say no matter what they want about each others. If there's bad blood between them, it's most probably much older than the U.S. as a country, so I really don't think you're entitled to jump to quick opinions...
Sorry, my American friends, but Greeks and Israelis are practically neighbours, they can actually say no matter what they want about each others. If there's bad blood between them, it's most probably much older than the U.S. as a country, so I really don't think you're entitled to jump to quick opinions...
Too often we see Americans judging the rest of the world - "labeling" is a national sport...
In any case, Theodorakis has a heritage to answer to, and if that is the final product, your opinions on an internet forum won't do a thing to channge it.
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I have a Greek friend who mentioned that Greeks can sympathize with the plight of Palestinians (and hence tend toward anti-Israeli sentiment) because it has some parallels to their situation with Turkish aggression.
Incidentally, while this guy's comments go WELL over the line, could he have said anything negative about Israel's actions without the spectre of being labelled an anti-semite racist? I get the feeling that even if his first and only statement was "Greece did not turn aggressive like Israel" he would still be dismissed as another Euro racist.
Incidentally, while this guy's comments go WELL over the line, could he have said anything negative about Israel's actions without the spectre of being labelled an anti-semite racist? I get the feeling that even if his first and only statement was "Greece did not turn aggressive like Israel" he would still be dismissed as another Euro racist.
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I knew someone was going to do that. This thread has now devolved into a "can anyone say anything negative about Israel without being called an anti-semite" thread.
Is this even appropriate for this forum?
Is this even appropriate for this forum?
Last edited by Eric F; 11-13-03 at 11:28 AM.
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"We did not turn aggressive like them because we have more history"-Theodorakis
History he has trouble remembering. The Ancient Temple in Israel was destroyed by the Greek army invading Israel. Funny how his comments come closely before Chanukah, which was all about our uprising against the Greeks.
I like Greek people, but he sounds like a senile old butthead.
History he has trouble remembering. The Ancient Temple in Israel was destroyed by the Greek army invading Israel. Funny how his comments come closely before Chanukah, which was all about our uprising against the Greeks.
I like Greek people, but he sounds like a senile old butthead.