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jeffkjoe 10-01-03 01:15 PM

SCARFACE question
 
Quick question on SCARFACE.

Haven't seen it in a while, but it contains one of the most violent scenes that I can remember:

Spoiler:
The chainsaw torture murder. Now here's what I don't understand:

When they torture Tony Montana's partner Angel Martinez, to death in the bathtub, did they cut into his head first or his arm?

My friend claims that they tear into Angel's skull first, as De Palma first pans away, but that's impossible....

And also, is it true that on the DVD, in the still images section, they actually show a still of a severed arm, still handcuffed, to the shower-curtain rod?



That scene has always stuck out to me. Oliver Stone even used it in a montage in NATURAL BORN KILLERS.

Rypro 525 10-01-03 01:34 PM

we don't actually see it happen, we just see a shot of the chainsaw, hear screaming, and see blood on a persons face. thats it, no limbs got cut off, according to one of the documentaries, there might have been a prop body part but they didn't film it. (and it was only the arm that got cut off)

jeffkjoe 10-01-03 03:41 PM

Don't forget what Hector says though:

Spoiler:


"And now the leg, huh?"


And then you see Tony Montana averting his eyes as a second gush of blood splatters his face.




But it IS true:

NOT showing gore (like the unseen shark in JAWS) is more effective than actually showing it.

I thought the scene was actually more brutal than I thought.

Like, in Reservoir Dogs, for instance - Mr. Blonde and the cop.

Toka 11-03-03 03:31 PM

It was always my impression that Hector cut his arm off first, then his leg...there is a still showing the severed arm hanging from the pole, but AFAIK it was never "filmed", per se. Now I have an additional question concerning this scene, in regards to the new anniversary DVD...is the line jeffkjoe has in the tag above "and now..." in the DVD? I seem to remember that particular line only being in the overseas version, but I haven't watched a home-video version of this in years.

Jray 11-03-03 04:16 PM


Originally posted by Toka
...is the line jeffkjoe has in the tag above "and now..." in the DVD? I seem to remember that particular line only being in the overseas version, but I haven't watched a home-video version of this in years.
Like Prego... it's in there.

jough 11-07-03 11:09 PM

Yeah, arm first, then leg. One of the most brutal scenes in cinema history.

*shudder*

isamu 11-08-03 03:20 AM

I heard they sawd and cut up an actual REAL PERSON for that scene. Supposedly the victim(idiot?) had signed papers stating his desire to be actually murdered with a real chainsaw during the scene. Alledgedly the victim in question felt he owed his life to Al Pacino and since he idoled him so much as "The Godfather"....any truth to this?

Venom 11-08-03 03:34 AM

lol

"Do you want your grandmother dying like a little bird in some hospital room, her translucent skin so thin you can see her last heartbeat work its way down her blue veins? Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris?"

-Bill Hicks

isamu 11-08-03 03:16 PM

wuts so funy?

jaeufraser 11-08-03 03:20 PM


Originally posted by isamu
I heard they sawd and cut up an actual REAL PERSON for that scene. Supposedly the victim(idiot?) had signed papers stating his desire to be actually murdered with a real chainsaw during the scene. Alledgedly the victim in question felt he owed his life to Al Pacino and since he idoled him so much as "The Godfather"....any truth to this?
Well, I have no evidence, but I'm going to say that's abosolutely, positively not true. For one thing, why kill a real person if they're not even going to show it? The secondthing is, no , thats not legal.


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