Terminator 3: Reviews and Disscussion
07-07-03, 03:24 PM
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Cameron speaks up on T3..
James Cameron finally gave his thoughts on T3, from darkhorizons.com:
James Cameron finally gave his thoughts on T3, from darkhorizons.com:
Terminator 3 & Alien 5: James Cameron recently talked with BBC1 and revealed he's very happy with how Terminator 3 ended up: "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathon's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it". If he had done it, would he have handled it differently: "Yes. That's only natural. I mightn't have structrued it the same, nor may I have ended it the same way - but coming in where he has, such a hard thing to do, and I give Jonathan points for it".
This isn't a man whose going to whitewash his opinion either, take for example his reaction to "Alien 3" - "Hated it. Simple as that. I hated what they did.... I couldn't stand Alien 3 - how they could just go in there and kill off all these great characters we introduced in aliens, and the correlation between mother and daughter. It stunk, but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that". You mean the talk about him being tied to "Alien 5" is true? "To an extent. yes. We're looking at doing another one. Something similiar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even discussed the possibility of putting him [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie". Thanks to 'Ryan'.
This isn't a man whose going to whitewash his opinion either, take for example his reaction to "Alien 3" - "Hated it. Simple as that. I hated what they did.... I couldn't stand Alien 3 - how they could just go in there and kill off all these great characters we introduced in aliens, and the correlation between mother and daughter. It stunk, but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that". You mean the talk about him being tied to "Alien 5" is true? "To an extent. yes. We're looking at doing another one. Something similiar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even discussed the possibility of putting him [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie". Thanks to 'Ryan'.
07-07-03, 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by rennervision
How do others feel about the way Sarah Connor was written out of the story? I guess they did the best they could with that, since Linda Hamilton would not agree to be in this one. But it sort of lacked any kind of emotional impact that would have been deserving for the main heroine of the first two films.
How do others feel about the way Sarah Connor was written out of the story? I guess they did the best they could with that, since Linda Hamilton would not agree to be in this one. But it sort of lacked any kind of emotional impact that would have been deserving for the main heroine of the first two films.
I'm disappointed with her exit, but I can see how it was necessary to write her out of the story: the TX would have used her as bait to target John. Still, they could have said she was in hiding somewhere, or they could have re-cast the part like they did John. A "Terminator" movie without Sarah doesn't feel right to me. It's like how I would imagine an "Alien" movie without Ripley would be: just wrong.
07-07-03, 07:42 PM
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I find it hard to believe how many people have loved this movie! I went in expecting a good action film, and that's what I got, no more or less. It IS a good action movie, that's it. T1 or 2 were far better. Those were fresh, original, dark. This film suffered from not having Cameron. Even though he says he liked it, he woulda made a better version.
Pros:
Great special fx.
Exciting action scenes.
Cons:
Arnold was fine, b/c he's a robot, but people actually thought Danes & Stahl were good here? they were both below average. never made me care about them.
The TX was not scary. compared to the T-800 and 1000, it's not even close.
The Terminator making jokes was just stupid. They were only marginally humorous b/c it was Arnold. As Cameron cut out the scene of Arnold smiling in T2, even though it was funny, Mostow should have done the same here.
IMO, Linda Hamilton would have added a lot to this movie. she was a big loss.
Pros:
Great special fx.
Exciting action scenes.
Cons:
Arnold was fine, b/c he's a robot, but people actually thought Danes & Stahl were good here? they were both below average. never made me care about them.
The TX was not scary. compared to the T-800 and 1000, it's not even close.
The Terminator making jokes was just stupid. They were only marginally humorous b/c it was Arnold. As Cameron cut out the scene of Arnold smiling in T2, even though it was funny, Mostow should have done the same here.
IMO, Linda Hamilton would have added a lot to this movie. she was a big loss.
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07-08-03, 12:42 AM
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Saw T3 last night. Loved it! It is better than M;R. Although they're both great action films, I honestly feel Minority Report is best out of the three. I would pick them as this...
T2>>T1>>Matrix 1>>Minority Report>>T3>>Matrix Reloaded>>>Bird Droppings>>STDs>>Gonnareah>>Lord of the Rings....at least for now
T2>>T1>>Matrix 1>>Minority Report>>T3>>Matrix Reloaded>>>Bird Droppings>>STDs>>Gonnareah>>Lord of the Rings....at least for now
07-08-03, 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by ncmojo
Oh. My. God. 10 pages of sukekekekekee.
My review system is based on how much money I would recommend people spend to see a film. Do NOT see this film at the regular admission price. Do NOT see it at matinee. MAYBE see it at a $2 theater, or by renting the DVD. If you saw this movie on HBO, it would be a pretty good deal.
Easily the lamest movie I have seen this summer.
Oh. My. God. 10 pages of sukekekekekee.
My review system is based on how much money I would recommend people spend to see a film. Do NOT see this film at the regular admission price. Do NOT see it at matinee. MAYBE see it at a $2 theater, or by renting the DVD. If you saw this movie on HBO, it would be a pretty good deal.
Easily the lamest movie I have seen this summer.
Ok, you've sold me. I won't go see it now. It must be a bad movie if 11 pages have been created and only a couple of people have bad-mouthed it. Good thing Matrix: Reloaded is still in theaters. I'll go see that movie again since it lived up to all expectations and was the greatest movie ever made.
07-08-03, 01:43 AM
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I find it hard to believe how many people have loved this movie! I went in expecting a good action film, and that's what I got, no more or less. It IS a good action movie, that's it. T1 or 2 were far better. Those were fresh, original, dark. This film suffered from not having Cameron. Even though he says he liked it, he woulda made a better version.
T2 broke a lot of new ground, there is no denying that, especially with the use of CGI, which still after all these years, looks a lot better than some of the crap being produced now (Hulk comes to mind)
But at its roots, the Terminator series is just an action flick. T3 delivered that in spades..I just don't understand how people can say its a good action film, but it still can't be loved.
The Terminator making jokes was just stupid. They were only marginally humorous b/c it was Arnold. As Cameron cut out the scene of Arnold smiling in T2, even though it was funny, Mostow should have done the same here
07-08-03, 07:33 AM
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Two things I would have liked to have seen:
1) An explanation of the rest of the machine parts from T1. After Reese blows it up, there is a clear shot of the leg falling onto the ground. However, Cyberdyne only finds the arm and the chip. Is this mentioned anywhere?
2) The social effects of the Terminator legend. After the machines showing up twice, surely there would have been an extended police investigation, not to mention the growing number of regular folks who have seen some really messed up stuff. I like the idea of a Terminator cult existing, with those people building shelters and things and being the main body of survivors when Judgement Day happens.
1) An explanation of the rest of the machine parts from T1. After Reese blows it up, there is a clear shot of the leg falling onto the ground. However, Cyberdyne only finds the arm and the chip. Is this mentioned anywhere?
2) The social effects of the Terminator legend. After the machines showing up twice, surely there would have been an extended police investigation, not to mention the growing number of regular folks who have seen some really messed up stuff. I like the idea of a Terminator cult existing, with those people building shelters and things and being the main body of survivors when Judgement Day happens.
07-08-03, 07:55 AM
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And what did Cameron think of TERMINATOR 3, Jonathan Mostow's follow-up to T2? "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did."
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial...8&obj_id=39079
http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial...8&obj_id=39079
07-08-03, 08:15 AM
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I'm currently watching an episode of Lois & Clark: The New Adventures Of Superman, on TBS, and in this episode, this young woman thinks that Jimmy Olsen is Superman's secret identity. This young woman is played by Kristanna Loken. I've seen this episode a couple times, but when I first saw her, I was like, "Hey, that's the TX." And sure enough, her name was listed in the beginning, right after the opening credits and commercials. It's weird though, cuz she looks kinda different. I guess cuz she shows emotion and such. She certainly is pretty though.
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07-08-03, 11:08 AM
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Average at best, unless lots of things exploding is the definition of a good action movie.
Another reason why T3 didn't gel with me. T3 makes for a cool/bleak ending, but I think it totally undermines the whole series. The machines can send all the T-1000, T-X robots it wants, Connor will always survive, until his predefined time. And the war is inevitable, so what was the point of all the time travel?
5/10.
Originally posted by Neeb
T2 believed that you could decide your own fate and make your own destiny. But T3 implies that we have no choice. That it is all predestined and that fighting fate is pointless.
T2 believed that you could decide your own fate and make your own destiny. But T3 implies that we have no choice. That it is all predestined and that fighting fate is pointless.
5/10.
07-08-03, 11:36 AM
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And the war is inevitable, so what was the point of all the time travel?
In the first movie, the law of unintended consequences, led to:
a.) Birth of John Connor as we know him (there could have been a different John Connor born at some point who led the humans to victory in a parallel time line). Yes, I know John would know that he was sending his father back in time, but the neccessity of the Terminator going back to time precipitated the time travel.
b.) Possibly Birth of Skynet - (Was this not known by the computers? I am not sure)
c.) Acceleration of Judgement Day to 1997 (or was it an acceleration? We don't really know the true date of it due to T3)
In the second movie, the law of uninteded consequences led to:
a.) Destruction of Cyberdyne
b.) Delay of 1997 Judgment Day
Finally, the third movie, the law of unintended consequences led to:
a.) John and Kate actually being saved by the nuclear blast..if they weren't being hunted by terminators, would they have made it to a safe-zone - I really don't know.
So you see time travel can accomplish things (but it is not always what you wanted it too) I think T3 takes an approach on fate that while the smaller things can NOT be determined, the inevitably of major things in a timeline cannot be avoided.
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07-08-03, 02:24 PM
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Yeah, the ending to T2 was just not plausible.
I've always had a problem with it. If they had actually stopped Judgement Day and the rise of the machines...there would have been no terminators to travel back in time, so T1 would've never happened, nor T2...
John Connor wouldn've never been born, there would be no Terminators and the future would be all happy and peaceful. Plus, wasn't it the Machines that developed the time travel method? If they weren't around then no one could've ever gone through time in the first place.
So really it was T2 that messed everything up, and it was T3 that put everything back in order again.
I loved all 3 movies. Each was different in its own way and I like that very much..
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I've always had a problem with it. If they had actually stopped Judgement Day and the rise of the machines...there would have been no terminators to travel back in time, so T1 would've never happened, nor T2...
John Connor wouldn've never been born, there would be no Terminators and the future would be all happy and peaceful. Plus, wasn't it the Machines that developed the time travel method? If they weren't around then no one could've ever gone through time in the first place.
So really it was T2 that messed everything up, and it was T3 that put everything back in order again.
I loved all 3 movies. Each was different in its own way and I like that very much..
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07-08-03, 05:38 PM
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One of my favorite parts of the movie...
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
07-08-03, 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Peep
One of my favorite parts of the movie...
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
One of my favorite parts of the movie...
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
Did anyone happen to hear about a cut sex scene between Nick Stahl and Claire Danes? My friend said that he saw an interview with Nick where he was talking about a sex scene in the movie. I can't wait to get the DVD to see what exactly was cut out of Terminator 3 that might have given it a bit more depth.
07-08-03, 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by chanster
If you go into the theater, expecting a good action film ... and you got it -- what are you complaining about????
I just don't understand how people can say its a good action film, but it still can't be loved.
Did you see T2? I mean there were jokes in that too. T1 was dark,,, T2 wasn't nearly as dark.
If you go into the theater, expecting a good action film ... and you got it -- what are you complaining about????
I just don't understand how people can say its a good action film, but it still can't be loved.
Did you see T2? I mean there were jokes in that too. T1 was dark,,, T2 wasn't nearly as dark.
IMO, a film cannot be loved JUST for having good action. At least, I can't. I love a film like Die Hard b/c it has more than just good action.
There were some funny moments in T2 & T1. ("Phuk you, as$hole!") But I feel those moments still kept respect for the characters, that T3 dispenses with.
07-08-03, 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Peep
One of my favorite parts of the movie...
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
One of my favorite parts of the movie...
At one point during the fight the Terminators have in the first miltary facility, the TX is running through part of a men's room and runs by a group of mirrors to her right. She turns to watch her reflection as she runs past. What is she thinking then? "God, I'm hot!"? "How does my hair look?" "Am I gaining weight?"
07-08-03, 09:10 PM
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T1 kind of implies it too
in the deleted scenes
in the deleted scenes
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Originally posted by Neeb
T2 believed that you could decide your own fate and make your own destiny. But T3 implies that we have no choice. That it is all predestined and that fighting fate is pointless.
T2 believed that you could decide your own fate and make your own destiny. But T3 implies that we have no choice. That it is all predestined and that fighting fate is pointless.
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07-08-03, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Shilex
Did anyone happen to hear about a cut sex scene between Nick Stahl and Claire Danes? My friend said that he saw an interview with Nick where he was talking about a sex scene in the movie. I can't wait to get the DVD to see what exactly was cut out of Terminator 3 that might have given it a bit more depth.
Did anyone happen to hear about a cut sex scene between Nick Stahl and Claire Danes? My friend said that he saw an interview with Nick where he was talking about a sex scene in the movie. I can't wait to get the DVD to see what exactly was cut out of Terminator 3 that might have given it a bit more depth.
07-08-03, 10:16 PM
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"In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. -JC"
I just saw T3 today but before I give my feelings out about it I wanted to use this qoute above. A few months back I wrote on this board that I heard Cameron say on TV somewhere that he would hope T3 would bomb but couldn't really say it b/c Arnold is his friend and he wanted the film to be great for him. A few people jumped all over my statement saying Cameron wanted this project to suceed with flying colors .... I think the above qoute puts my statement in correct context.
Now on to T3.
It was much better than I had expected. I would say it is almost on par with T2. A little too much humor and not enough character interaction for me. For those trying to figure out the time travel holes don't waste your time. I remember having the same conversations with people when the first film came out,then the second, and now the third! Here are some little things I picked up in the film for discussion.
I just saw T3 today but before I give my feelings out about it I wanted to use this qoute above. A few months back I wrote on this board that I heard Cameron say on TV somewhere that he would hope T3 would bomb but couldn't really say it b/c Arnold is his friend and he wanted the film to be great for him. A few people jumped all over my statement saying Cameron wanted this project to suceed with flying colors .... I think the above qoute puts my statement in correct context.
Now on to T3.
It was much better than I had expected. I would say it is almost on par with T2. A little too much humor and not enough character interaction for me. For those trying to figure out the time travel holes don't waste your time. I remember having the same conversations with people when the first film came out,then the second, and now the third! Here are some little things I picked up in the film for discussion.
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07-09-03, 06:24 AM
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I finally broke down and saw it last night. Sorry to say it was a waste. Didn't like it at all. I wasn't comparing it to part 2 at all. There's too much to go through that was wrong. It felt like slasher movie choped up together and the ending well people in the theater were very disappointed. This is just my opinon of what i saw.
07-09-03, 08:02 AM
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T2 believed that you could decide your own fate and make your own destiny. But T3 implies that we have no choice. That it is all predestined and that fighting fate is pointless.
T1 kind of implies it too in the deleted scenese .... Sarah tries to blow up Cyberdyne
That was the "moral" of the story from T1. T2 changed that - or possibly did.
07-09-03, 02:39 PM
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T3 was an awesome movie. I think it's almost up there with T2. There was just one part I've been thinking about since I got out of the theater though.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think?
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