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AFI's 100 Heroes and Villains

They're gonna pick-um, lets pick ours. I know this has been done before but it can be fun. I know who I'd pick, but I'm genuinely curious who their pole will pick as #1

They'll probably pick Norman Bates or the Shark from Jaws

The American Film Institute has announced plans to present AFI's 100 Years ... 100 Heroes & Villains, hosted by Arnold Schwarzenegger, to air on CBS June 3rd. The "heroes and villains" featured in the program were selected last year in a vote of 1,500 filmmakers, critics and historians. The voters were provided definitions of "hero" ("... prevails in extreme circumstances ... to show humanity at its best") and villain ("...horribly evil or grandiosely funny, but are ultimately tragic") and given the names of 400 characters from which to choose going back in time to The Vampire in the 1915 film A Fool There Was.
So what's your pick, and who do you think they'll pick?
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No villain list would be complete without Harry Lime.
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Good Lord, not another bloody AFI list. I'm convinced they only compile them because they love getting spit upon by critics.

Someone's going to say that they're good because they encourage discussion and debate... but people already discuss and debate this subject all the time, and an "end-all, be-all" list is hardly going to matter.

I would now like to pre-emptively point out, before everyone inevitabley does, that "the list is unfair"," they left off soooo many more deserving candidates", "_____ is hardly a good villain/hero", and "WHERE'S JASON? OMG LOL".

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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Good Lord, not another bloody AFI list. I'm convinced they only compile them because they love getting spit upon by critics.
No, they do it in conjunction w/ the movie rental/sales places to spur people to watch/buy catalogue films. That's why you always see a cross promotion at the video store where they put out the top 100 on its own little shelf.

The TV specials are 2 hour infomercials for movies
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My picks:

Hero: Optimus Prime
Villain: Megatron

Their picks:

Hero: Dirk Diggler's Penis
Villain:The Wet Bandits from Home Alone
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Originally posted by Pants

Villain:The Wet Bandits from Home Alone
I prefer The Sticky Bandits from HA2.

Honk!
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My Picks:

Hero: Forrest Gump
Villain: Hannibal Lecter

Their picks:

Hero: George Bailey
Villain: King Kong
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Originally posted by Robert
My Picks:

Hero: Forrest Gump
Villain: Hannibal Lecter

Their picks:

Hero: George Bailey
Villain: King Kong
King Kong as a villain? WTF is up with that?
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Hero: Rocky
Villian: Hans Gruber
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Originally posted by Dr. DVD
King Kong as a villain? WTF is up with that?
So all those natives he killed, the planes he knocked out of the sky, and the destruction he did to NYC are the traits of a hero?

Thats WTF is up with that.
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A couple contemporary villians that could make the list include Agent Smith and perhaps Sauron.. Anyone else?
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My Picks:

Hero: John McClane
Villain: Bill the Butcher

Their Picks:

Hero: Forrest Gump
Villain: Darth Vader
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they won't leave off vader, nor should they. he should at least be in the top 5.

my picks:
hero: indy. yeah i know they'll get him, too, but he is just that good.
villain: hannibal lecter & malificent

other picks bound to show
hero:
luke or han
neo
forrest
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hero: Vanilla Ice as "Johnny van Owen" in Cool As Ice
"Drop that zero and get with the hero!"

Best. Movie. Ever.
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Hero: Gary Cooper (high noon)
Villian: Wicked Witch of the West (Wizard of Oz)

my guess.
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Here are some names I think will wind up on the list, and should be there.

Heroes:
George Bailey
James Bond
Indiana Jones
Luke Skywalker
Forrest Gump
Capt. John Miller
Rocky Balboa
Marshal Will Kane
Chief Marge Gunderson
Yoda


Villains:
General Zod
Darth Vader
Norman Bates
Henry F. Potter
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Hero t800 t2
villian t800 t1 - afi kisses arnie's ass.
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Originally posted by Rypro PG-13
Hero t800 t2
villian t800 t1 - afi kisses arnie's ass.
Good call! They probably will do this.
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Originally posted by Robert
So all those natives he killed, the planes he knocked out of the sky, and the destruction he did to NYC are the traits of a hero?

Thats WTF is up with that.
I like to refer to King Kong as the doomed misunderstood protagonist - poor guy, locked up behind a fence, given a lovely lady, taken off his island, and whisked off to a scary metropolitan city, s*** I'd be p'od too.
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Villainy has never been as iconic as Darth Vader so, IMO, there is no contest. The hero issue is trickier, though--Indiana Jones is a great choice, but he's also got some very human faults, so if the AFI goes pollyanish with its votes, he may not make the #1 spot...
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Wait a minute...I just realized, I'm sure they're not going to haphazardly rank heroes and villains in a willy-nilly mish-mash--they're going to rank hero/villain combos; ergo, if Darth Vader ranks as #1, Luke Skywalker will default with him as #1 hero. Of course, this may mean that Indy might not rank at all, since he was never plagued by a constant villain...

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King Kong was just misunderstood.

I don't remember if The Third Man was considered American or not. It is a requirement, but loosely interpreted. Did it make the other lists?

Vader is a good choice for villain.

Should have lots of Disney characters as well. Wicked Withces and such.

Rudy for hero.

Wait, you need a hero and a villain together? That's no good.
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Heroes:

Martin Riggs.
Han Solo.
Wolverine.

Villains:

Darth Vader.
Magneto.
Hannibal.
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Oooh, Hannibal Lecter! Good choice, DarkestPhoenix--he'd have to rank #2...
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Originally posted by Filmmaker
Wait a minute...I just realized, I'm sure they're not going to haphazardly rank heroes and villains in a willy-nilly mish-mash--they're going to rank hero/villain combos; ergo, if Darth Vader ranks as #1, Luke Skywalker will default with him as #1 hero. Of course, this may mean that Indy might not rank at all, since he was never plagued by a constant villain...
If that's the case, then here are my picks, in no specific order...

HAL 9000 / Dave Bowman (1968 2001: A Space Odyssey)
The Wicked Witch of the West / Dorothy (1939 The Wizard of Oz)
Darth Vader / Luke Skywalker (1977 Star Wars)
Jaws / Chief Brody (1975 Jaws)
Christian Szell / Thomas Babington Levy (1976 Marathon man)
Blofeld / James Bond (Several of the Bond Movies...)
Harry Lime / Holly Martins (1949 The Third Man)
Nurse Ratched / Randle McMurphy (1975 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
Hedley Lamarr / Bart (1974 Blazing Saddles)
Amon Goeth / Oskar Schindler (1993 Schindler's List)
Messala / Judah Ben-Hur (1959 Ben-Hur)
Al Capone / Eliot Ness (1987 The Untouchables)
Angel Eyes / Blondie (1966 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly)
Belloq / Indiana Jones (1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark)
Norman Bates / Lila Crane (1960 Psycho)
Evil Ash / Ash (1993 Army of Darkness)
Capt. Morton / Lt. Doug Roberts (1955 Mister Roberts)
The Walking Boss / "Cool hand" Luke (1967 Cool Hand Luke)
The Villain / Sherlock Jr. (1924 Sherlock Jr.)
Frank Miller / Marshal Will Kane (1952 High Noon)
Colonel Kurtz / Captain Benjamin Willard (1979 Apocalypse Now)
Frank / Harmonica (1968 Once Upon a Time in the West)
General Zod / Superman (1980 Superman II)
Lex Luthor / Superman (1978 Superman)
Chief Inspector Dreyfus / Inspector Clouseau (1964 A Shot in the Dark)
Biff Tannen / Marty McFly (1985 Back to the Future)
Scorpio / "Dirty" Harry Callahan (1971 Dirty Harry)
Oberst Von Scherbach / Sgt. J.J. Sefton (1953 Stalag 17)
Phillip Vandamm / Roger O. Thornhill (1959 North By Northwest)
Emperor Ming / Flash Gordon (1980 Flash Gordon)
Johnny Rocco / Frank McCloud (1948 Key Largo)
Professor Moriarty / Sherlock Holmes (Many versions - especially the Basil Rathbone movies)
Jonathan Brewster / Mortimer Brewster (1944 Arsenic and Old Lace)
Professor Fate / The Great Leslie (1965 The Great Race)
Major Heinrich Strasser / Rick Blaine (1942 Casablanca)
Lo Pan / Jack Burton (1986 Big Trouble in Little China)
Captain Pasquale / Zorro (1940 Mark of Zorro)
Sir Guy of Gisbourne / Robin Hood (1938 Adventures of Robin Hood)
Joker / Batman (1989 Batman)
Hannibal Lecter / Clarice Starling (1991 Silence of the Lambs)
Keyser Soze / Dean Keaton (1995 The Usual Suspects)
Agent Stansfield / Léon (1994 Léon)
Hans Gruber / John McClane (1988 Die Hard)
Gen. Mapache / Pike Bishop (1969 The Wild Bunch)
Agent Smith / Neo (1999 The Matrix)
Clarence Boddicker / Robocop (1987 Robocop)
The Terminator / Sarah Connor (1984 The Terminator)
The Lord of Darkness / Jack (1985 Legend)
The Wicked Queen / Snow White (1937 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs)
Warden Norton / Andy Dufresne (1994 The Shawshank Redemption)
Dr. Evil / Austin Powers (1994 Austin Powers)

That's all I can come up with right now. I struggled to come up with just 50, so it will be interesting to see the whole list of 100.

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