MTV Movie Awards 2003 Edition
04-16-03, 02:23 PM
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I'm 24 as well and despise MTV. I'm not defending the network, but rather saying it's lame to insult people whose movie tastes differ from yours.
You're the one being a dick with comments like "poor viewing habbits."
Who the hell cares what other people watch? I think people that go see 4 or 5 "blockbusters" a year are a lot less lame than the elitist movie buffs whose personal lives seem to revolve around watching movies and bitching about them on the net.
You're the one being a dick with comments like "poor viewing habbits."
Who the hell cares what other people watch? I think people that go see 4 or 5 "blockbusters" a year are a lot less lame than the elitist movie buffs whose personal lives seem to revolve around watching movies and bitching about them on the net.
04-16-03, 02:43 PM
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The problem, which I've stated many times, is not blockbusters in an of themselves, but rather watching ONLY blockbusters. I think a movie like Charlies Angels, K-19, or Spiderman are great for breaking up your "well balanced diet of films". But like the person who only eats Big Macs, only watching blockbusters is not healthy. MTV sends the message that the only thing you should watch is Big Budget, American, and preferably loud.
04-16-03, 02:49 PM
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Again who cares what other people like to watch.
Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy. It's entertainment(be it laughing, crying, cheering, being disturbed, etc.), end of story.
Some people just make too big a deal out of movies IMO, and really need to wake up and smell the roses.
Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy. It's entertainment(be it laughing, crying, cheering, being disturbed, etc.), end of story.
Some people just make too big a deal out of movies IMO, and really need to wake up and smell the roses.
04-16-03, 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Again who cares what other people like to watch.
Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy.
Again who cares what other people like to watch.
Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy.
I honestly can't stand people who only watch whatever's #1 at the box office. My girlfriend is like this and it drives me nuts. Everytime I drag her to something slightly exotic she goes in kicking and screaming and comes out loving it. But it never changes her mind, she's still a slave to whatever TV tells her is good. But whatever, go ahead people, lead shallow lives, I don't care, clearly Josh Hinkle doesn't mind if you do either.
04-16-03, 03:03 PM
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It's not leading a shallow life. Movies are simply a diversion.
I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.
Movies are entertainment, there are a million better ways to enrich yourself than sitting on you ass in a theater or on your couch watching movies.
I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.
Movies are entertainment, there are a million better ways to enrich yourself than sitting on you ass in a theater or on your couch watching movies.
04-16-03, 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.
I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.
I say YES, art can make you a better person: smarter, happier, more enlightened
You don't seem to see films as being art, so I can see where we differ. Spiderman is art, Pop-art. But a person needs more than Pop-art to be well rounded. You don't have to see film as art, MTV obviously doesn't, but to come on a message board devoted to film and start up about film as being "only entertainment", etc. is a little surprising. I guess you're mostly here for the Bargain Forum
Most of us are pretty passionate about film (and art in general) around here.
04-16-03, 03:26 PM
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Who knew that a thread with such an innocuous title would contain a huge flame war? Keep it up, fellas! This is more entertaining than that awards show could EVER be!
04-16-03, 11:45 PM
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I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
04-17-03, 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
04-17-03, 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Iron Chef
I remember when the MTV movie awards were fun. Now they're trying to be just another movie awards show.
It was better when they didn't take themselves so seriously.
I remember when the MTV movie awards were fun. Now they're trying to be just another movie awards show.
It was better when they didn't take themselves so seriously.
If you were being sarcastic, forgive me
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...Y Tu Mama Tambien. If you're between 15-18 and haven't seen this film you are a retard, period.
...Y Tu Mama Tambien. If you're between 15-18 and haven't seen this film you are a retard, period.
04-17-03, 12:35 PM
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I can't believe the people posting that are actually angry about some of the nominations. Spider-Man made 400 million dollars, its obvious that quite a few people liked it, and it certainly isn't going to be honered by the Acadamy. I'm glad MTV will.
I can't believe the people posting that are actually angry about some of the nominations. Spider-Man made 400 million dollars, its obvious that quite a few people liked it, and it certainly isn't going to be honered by the Acadamy. I'm glad MTV will.
04-17-03, 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by the aftermath
I'm 20 and haven't seen it. Guess that makes me a retard, eh?
I'm 20 and haven't seen it. Guess that makes me a retard, eh?
04-17-03, 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.
And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
04-17-03, 01:47 PM
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I agree films can be art, which is why I said "I somewhat think films aren't art."
The limitation is that to make art IMO you have to have complete artistic freedom.
Given the cost of making a movie it's tougher to do, than mediums like painting obviously. Really only small indy films, and well established directors with the power to do whatever they want, have total freedom. Problem is most Indy films turn out lacking IMO, as they don't have the budget to hire the all around expertise (director of photography, a composer, experienced actors, etc.) to take full advantage of the medium, while most big shot directors are indoctrinated in hollywood and care more about the bottom line IMO.
So it's not that I don't think films can't be art, or that many films aren't works of art. I just think it's a difficult medium to make art in because of the expensive technologicaly and expertise demands to do it right, and the economic driven nature of the movie industry.
The limitation is that to make art IMO you have to have complete artistic freedom.
Given the cost of making a movie it's tougher to do, than mediums like painting obviously. Really only small indy films, and well established directors with the power to do whatever they want, have total freedom. Problem is most Indy films turn out lacking IMO, as they don't have the budget to hire the all around expertise (director of photography, a composer, experienced actors, etc.) to take full advantage of the medium, while most big shot directors are indoctrinated in hollywood and care more about the bottom line IMO.
So it's not that I don't think films can't be art, or that many films aren't works of art. I just think it's a difficult medium to make art in because of the expensive technologicaly and expertise demands to do it right, and the economic driven nature of the movie industry.
04-17-03, 02:26 PM
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Josh- I don't want to belabor the point, but I just thought I’d point out that when Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel he didn’t have complete artistic freedom and he was commissioned by the wealthiest patrons in the world: The Catholic Church. Yet it IS art (AND looking at it will make you a better person )
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