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Old 02-04-03, 08:52 PM
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LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

- how did Aragorn know the Hobbits would be in Bree?

- why did the Wraith stab Frodo in the shoulder? Why not just kill him and take the ring?

- how did Arwen find Aragorn in the woods?

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Re: LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

Originally posted by TCG
- how did Aragorn know the Hobbits would be in Bree?
Depending on how closely you go by the text, he was either sent as backup by Gandalf (they knew each other before the story begins) or the Rangers or Men of the North tribe he belongs to were specifically assigned the task of watching over the shire and its environs (they are the only men in communication with the Elves and know what is going on with Sauron and the ring), so he was given the duty of protecting the ring-bearer.


- why did the Wraith stab Frodo in the shoulder? Why not just kill him and take the ring?
It is impossible for the Ringwraiths to remove the ring by force, nor can they kill one who wears it because of its power over them--even if the one who wears it is not evil in nature. By stabbing Frodo with the Morgul blade he ensured that Frodo would become weak and easily captured, and the ring could then (I am unsure of this) either be removed or Sauron could claim it. Different means, same end.


- how did Arwen find Aragorn in the woods?


Elf-sense.
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Re: LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

Originally posted by TCG
- how did Aragorn know the Hobbits would be in Bree?

Don't you mean Horbits?
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Re: Re: LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

Originally posted by Jepthah
It is impossible for the Ringwraiths to remove the ring by force, nor can they kill one who wears it because of its power over them--even if the one who wears it is not evil in nature. By stabbing Frodo with the Morgul blade he ensured that Frodo would become weak and easily captured, and the ring could then (I am unsure of this) either be removed or Sauron could claim it. Different means, same end.
From what source did u get this info? Please be as specific as possible. I'm curious to learn about it.
If it's in a book, what section?
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Re: LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

Originally posted by TCG

- why did the Wraith stab Frodo in the shoulder? Why not just kill him and take the ring?

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Wraiths don't have eyeballs = bad aim. Happens to the best of us.
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Re: Re: LOTR 1: trivial questions (spoilers!)

Originally posted by Lastblade
Wraiths don't have eyeballs = bad aim. Happens to the best of us.
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Thanks a lot. That's fantastic.
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Originally posted by TCG
From what source did u get this info? Please be as specific as possible. I'm curious to learn about it.
If it's in a book, what section?
You would have to read FOTR, and infer it from the text.

It's the kind of thing for the uninitiated where you either just suspend your disbelief or 'deduce' it from what you observe in the film. Or read the lore.
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I remember reading in FOTR that Gandalf and Aragorn spent many years(17 years went by after Biblo's departure and Gandalf's return to the Shire to see Frodo) finding Gollum.

So it makes sense that he would know the Hobbits were in Bree since he worked so closely with Gandalf.
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Originally posted by Giantrobo
I remember reading in FOTR that Gandalf and Aragorn spent many years(17 years went by after Biblo's departure and Gandalf's return to the Shire to see Frodo) finding Gollum.

So it makes sense that he would know the Hobbits were in Bree since he worked so closely with Gandalf.
Bingo
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Originally posted by Giantrobo
I remember reading in FOTR that Gandalf and Aragorn spent many years(17 years went by after Biblo's departure and Gandalf's return to the Shire to see Frodo) finding Gollum.

So it makes sense that he would know the Hobbits were in Bree since he worked so closely with Gandalf.
Yeah, that's clearly explained in the book, but it doesn't work at all for me in the film, even as an off-camera conversation.
In the movie, after Gandalf sends Frodo and Sam on their way, you get the impression that he rides to Isengard in about 24 hours (on a "normal" horse, not Shadowfax). I have trouble swallowing that to begin with, so a detour to arrange a Bree meeting with Aragorn is just out of the question (unless they used some of that elf-telepathy).
No, I think in the movie you have to just decide for yourself when you think Gandalf and Aragorn might have talked in the past and how much Gandalf might have guessed what was going to transpire as it did.
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Aragorn and the Rangers have been watching over the Shire for years. Who is to say that Gandalf didn't tell Aragorn to meet the Hobbits in Bree before he told Frodo to go there?
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There was obviously a meeting between Gandalf and Aragorn at some point, we just don't know when. Most likely, it occurred after Gandalf sent Frodo and Sam off to Bree, otherwise, he would've told them that Aragorn would be waiting for them there, or he could've brought Aragorn with him to escort Frodo to Bree.

My guess is that after Gandalf found out the true nature of the Ring, he immediately went to Frodo and sent him out of the Shire as he went about gathering allies. We heard him mention that he would consult the head of his order (Saruman), and we can then assume that he was gathering allies and sending them to Bree. Chances are, he met up with Aragorn on the way to consult Saruman and sent him off to Bree to meet the Hobbits. Also not that Aragorn knew the name "Underhill," and also knew that it wasn't Frodo's name.

But since Gandalf was held captive by Saruman, he wasn't able to gather allies until he escaped, and they all met up at Rivendell.

(This is based on the events of the movie, not the books.)

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I've got a question.I haven't read the books so correct me if i'm wrong.Did Gandalf know that Bilbo had the ring for all those years or did he find out when he got to the shire for Bilbo's birthday?
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Gandalf knew that Bilbo had A ring that made the wearer invisible, but he didn't know that it was THE ring forged by Sauron.
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Right, a quote from the film by Gandolf, "There are many a magic ring that can turn the wearer invisible Bilbo Baggins, and none of them should be used lightly."

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