Goat3001

How do we know that he CHOOSES the emperor over padme. I was always under the impression that Padme would die in the next episode. But I'm just speculating I don't know for sure.

joltaddict

She doesnt die, Leia remembers her. But I do think she leave Ani and not the other way around.

zero

You just did.

chucks888

Nice way to lose a debate. What exactly did I make up? Thought so. And yes, that particular line was referring to people exactly like you, but I wouldn't have expected you to have gotten that.

Josh-da-man

My thoughts:

1) In the AOTC commentary, Lucas lets a few tidbits slip. In Ep3, we will learn about the coming back from the dead thing.

2) We will also learn who ordered the clones. It's something we're not supposed to know. My money is on Qui Gon. I used to think it was Sideous -- the original name of the Jedi who ordered the clones was Sido-Dyas. Since that was changed, it looks like Lucas has changed his mind. Or it was always a red-herring. Maybe we'll actually see Qui-Gon's much heard about "gray" philosophy of the Force.

What I think we'll see...

1) Padme will have one last confrontation with Anakin. When he's in the suit. He'll try to "win her back" but she'll reject him. Either tearfully or with screams of horror. I'll go so far as to say that this is likely the only major scene where we'll see the black suit.

2) The final scene of the movie will be Obi-Wan on Tatooine, watching over young Luke. Since Darth Vader didn't seem to know he had children, maybe Padme will give birth to them during Anakin's "recovery" time. She gets pregnent, he doesn't know, he gets mortally wounded and is presumed dead, she carries the pregnancy to term, gives birth, and then Anakin returns. This way, he doesn't know anything about the children. Only problem is that this will have to occur over a period of months. Lucas doesn't seem to like using time compression in his movies. The five we've seen seem to occur in a relatively short space of time. I don't see him changing this.

3) Anakin will not decide to become evil. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've seen that he seeks power, that he believes the Jedis are ineffective, that he believes there is a better way. Palpatine and the Dark Side will provide the means for him to achieve his goals. Anakin will actually belive (as Darth Vader) that the Palpatine and the Empire will provide a better way. If some people are hurt in the process, so be it. It's for the greater good. He won't see the error of his ways until the Emporer is killing Luke.

4) Will we see Anakin fall into a volcano? Don't know. I hope it's something dramatic. Falling into a volcano? How the hell do you survive that? Some speculation is that it'll be a gradual process. Anakin will lose a piece here and there until there isn't enough left to keep him alive on his own. This is hardly dramatic, though. Maybe he'll have a few more replacement parts when Ep3 begins.

5) Anakin will want to spare Obi-Wan. Despite the resentment he feels for Obi-Wan, he doesn't have the heart to kill him. This will show that there is still some good in him (that we won't see again until ROTJ). Luke can see it, though no one else can.

6) Anakin will not become a Jedi Knight. He will remain a Padawan until his turn. (Remember the line in ANH? When last we met, I was the student and you were the teacher?)

B.A.

I am drawing a blank here, but what "gray" area are you talking about? I remember that Qui-Gon had been considered stubborn, etc. I just don't remember hearing about his philosophy of the force, there is not black or white in Qui-Gon's philosophy? I hope I am just tired and have had a long weekend...Josh, please clarify for me, because I feel like an idiot right now. thanks

Goat3001

I was thinking the same thing. How would Lucas pull off the pregnancy and all that? All the other SW movies lasted over a short span of time. Maybe when the movie starts Padme will already be pregnant? And the father will be unknown to the Jedi's and then Anakin will reveal the marriage?

It looks like theres gonna be tons of action in this one to tie everything together.

BizRodian

Impossible Goat, Anakin didn't know he had twins... because he didn't know Luke has a twin sister.

It's also unlikley he knew he had a child at all, if he did, he'd have looked for it.

So he at LEAST doesn't see the birth, and he more than likley doesn't know she's pregnant.

The only way I see Lucas doing this is the first two hours of the movie, we have all the overthrowing of the Republic, Anakin betraying the Jedi and geting them all killed, after Anakin has become evil, and is "away" from Obi Wan and Padme, she'll find out she's pregnant. Obi Wan will then fight Anakin and getting him dramtically injured... so he'll have to go get healed... of course, by now, the Emperor is in power and has already won.

This will all take about two hours... then the last 20 minutes or so, we'll be flashed forward a year later, we'll see Padme with the twins, Yoda hide on Dagobah, we'll see Obi Wan go to Tatoonie with Luke, Bail take Leia to Alderaan (perhaps with Padme..) and we'll see Anakin get the suit and take his place as Darth Vader.

Jackskeleton

You forgetting the other line from Obi-wan?

"I was a jedi knight once, Like your father"


so anakin I assume passes the trials and then turns after.

BizRodian

Of course, Obi Wan says a LOT of things :P

zero

Wow...you really got me there didnt you?

^

But if your looking for examples of how you make stuff up then you should look to this post and your art work for further examples. Until I see you make a better Star Wars film, or your name in the writing credits I guess youll have to continue drawing what you think Obi-Wan and Anakin will look like in EP III, maybe youll even make a Fan-Film based on Jango's life after being beheaded, but I dont expect you to get that.

JoeyOhhhh

Thats what I'm saying. I think she'll leave him for Bail Organa. That whole conversation about politics between Padme and Anakin shows that their views are really far apart. While Bail and Padme seem to be on the same wavelength about it (not wanting the Clone Army, I might be misthinking that part, haven't seen AOTC since the theater).

Jackskeleton

Chuck, I guess you just have a better eye then most of us, From what I could tell, a great amount of the blue screen was well hidden.

It's hard enough to make people believe a sci-fi world, let alone start believeing a totally digital one. Maybe you need to get past that to actually enjoy the film a little.

as for the jedi's. You really don't want one or more background jedi to upscale your lead characters. Look at how fett's 5 minutes in Empire upscaled a lot of other performances.

chucks888

What about my last post did I make up? Why don't you point out something specific instead of just "look at this post"? If you're referring to my artwork, of course that's made up. Episode 3 isn't out yet. Hence the term "concept" on all of those pages.

I never said I could make a better Star Wars film, but do I have to be a better filmmaker than George Lucas to think he did a not so great job? Nice logic there. I have no clue where you'd think that I would like to make a fan film about Jango, perhaps that's an insult about my art, I don't know. I'm not trained to decipher nonsensical statements.

Seeing as how you work at a video game store from your profile, you should probably not criticize what other people do for a living.

BizRodian

Don't you have to be a fan to make fanart? :P

chucks888

That was just my observation Jack. For me some scenes were distracting in how much the charcters stood out from the background (the whole exchange when Anakin and Obi-Wan were guarding Padme's room). When I said I was "shocked" I meant I was surprised that small things like this aren't more flawless than they are in this movie considering that some of the finest effects gurus in the world are working on it.

"It's hard enough to make people believe a sci-fi world, let alone start believeing a totally digital one." Hey, if you can't get it to look good digitally, try something else! On the whole, LOTR and the use of detailed miniatures look more convincing and "solid" to me than whatever process they used in episode 2. They might have even used miniatures in combination with CG in Ep. 2, I don't know. In my opinon, whatever they did just doesn't look as smoothly integrated to me by comparison. Your thoughts may vary.

"as for the jedi's. You really don't want one or more background jedi to upscale your lead characters. Look at how fett's 5 minutes in Empire upscaled a lot of other performances"

Was this a bad thing? In my opinion it added more interest, keeping things entertaining but certainly not stealing the spotlight from Ford and company. The Jedi just didn't look cool, which in my opinion was important. Again, your views may vary.

chucks888

Well I used the term (fan) in my original post to make clear that I (and the contents of the link) was not affliated in any way with Lucasfilm. Many of the works were also done for exercises and/or commissions.

In any case, I AM a fan, (mostly of the original trilogy), but I'm not going to think Episode 1 and 2 are great films just because they carry the Star Wars name. I would love for Episode 3 to be great, but to me, Episode 1 and 2 are just something I would watch now and then for novelty, well actually Episode 2 mostly because I find Episode 1 to be almost unwatchable now.

zero

Well I guess if I dont pick apart your post your not going to get it are you?

I wouldnt go as far as calling it "Concept" or psuedo concept art. Id call it fan-art.

But your trained to comment on the blue screen work of paid professionals and your not even in the field?

Wow you checked my profile...heres your cookie. All better? Seeing as how your not a film maker and you dont specialize in sword play or stunt coordination then maybe you should not criticize how the Arena battle was filmed. You wanna talk about insulting and criticizing? let me clue you in a little bit...

So seeing as how I had to spell it out for you, I hope you understand where Im coming from. But, I dont expect you to have gotten that.(If your keeping track...that statement means something) No one is in debate with you Im just trying to understand how 30 professional stunman, and women on screen look bad in comparisson to an old man who took some fencing lessons for a 15 minute fight.

BizRodian

This has nothing to do with anything...

And yet you draw prequel based fan art? why? oh, yes, you say "many" were done for excercises or commisions, but did anyone specifically say they'll pay you a certain amount of money for Episode 3 fan art? even if they did, you say some weren't. Why are you drawing things about things you hate? if it's school work or something, then why not draw stuff you like? If you can't stand episode 1 and consider episode 2 only a novelty then I'm really unsure why you'd make drawings based on those films.

You're very conflicted and I don't understand.

Josh-da-man

Just something I remember hearing about a few years back, around the time TPM was released.

It wasn't something that was really brought up in the movie (the closest it came was when it was mentioned that Qui Gon would be on the council had he not been so stubborn).

It might've been from a novel, fanboy speculation, previous drafts, the extended universe, or pure BS.

It was essentially that Qui Gon didn't believe in a hard and fast light/dark division of The Force, that both sides had their uses.

BizRodian

I never recall anything like that Josh, and I was really knee deep in Star Wars spoilers and stuff at that time.

Personally, I think how he never listened to the council, and often didn't follow the rules is kind of a grey area anyways. His belives were radical, and few others agreed with him.

Dooku, in many ways, is the same as Qui Gon, Dooku is what Qui Gon might have become if he lived...

chucks888

Concept is a term used for creating something that doesn't exist yet. Those are my concepts for characters in Episode 3. Get it through your thick skull. Frankly, I could care less what you call it.

I'll repeat what I said before, because you obviously need to read things many times before you grasp them. Do I (or anyone else) need to be "a better filmmaker" than George Lucas to criticize him? I guess you must think Pluto Nash is a great masterpiece as well, and since you're "not in the field". You're not a filmmaker, so all film-making is great, right?

Wow you can use a sarcastic smiley, here's two cookies. Again, with the "your not a film maker" thing. I don't specialize in sword play, so I guess all sword play looks great right? It's called an opinion. Get one.

Gee you really spelled it out for me. You've been telling me for the last few posts that I've made stuff up, and when prompted, you've produced absolutely nothing. Can't say I'm surprised. And keep trying to figure that last part out. I guess you're just one of those people who think more is better. I suppose you found the end battle in Episode 2 to be much better than the Hoth battle in ESB right? By your logic, it is automatically better because it is using the latest special effects, and wow, there's more of everything! Get a clue.

chucks888

Biz, of course that means something. I say "mostly" a fan of the OT because there are somethings I DO like about the prequels. Like I said from the very first post, Ewan as Obi-Wan is solid. Hayden is good, but I think will be even better as he gets darker. And guess what my only two concepts are? That's right, Obi Wan and Anakin.


This is really covered above.

My drawings are not "based" on Ep 1 and 2. The only thing in common with those two movies are Ewan and Hayden. That's why it's Episode 3 concept art. I referrenced mostly the original trilogy as far as Obi-Wan and Anakin (read: Vader)'s look.
It's my take on how they could look. Not George Lucas', not Lucasfilm, not 20th Century Fox. And I gotta admit, it was pretty fun. Again, like I said before, I would like Episode 3 to be great, but I just don't think it will happen.

joltaddict

The only way to make everything fit that I can tell is if Ani is made to think Padame is dead before she gives birth. But then she still has to die young at some point far enough along so Leia has a vague memory of her "sad" mother. But then why seperate the twins? Why would she allow Obiwan to take her son away? Supposedly Lucas has already shot the scene where Luke is brought to Tattoine. He has also said the clone wars will end in the opening scenes of III or maybe even in the opening scrawl.

I dont see any way to resolve all we know from the total so far and make it fit that ending without some plot holes. But without faking Padames death I dont think its possible at all.

caipirina

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