Treasure Planet : "Borrowed" Concept
11-10-02, 12:39 AM
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Treasure Planet : "Borrowed" Concept
It seems like Disney is running out of creativity when it comes to animated films. First of all Treasure Planet is a remake, like many other Disney films and then they have the nerve to "borrow" the flying pirate ships / air ships World theme from Sega's amazing "Skies of Arcadia".
Just wanted to bring this to your attention so that people know where Disney looks for "inspiration" these days.
Click here to see Skies of Arcadia's screen shots : http://www.rpgamer.com/games/arcadia/soa/soass.html
Just wanted to bring this to your attention so that people know where Disney looks for "inspiration" these days.
Click here to see Skies of Arcadia's screen shots : http://www.rpgamer.com/games/arcadia/soa/soass.html
11-10-02, 01:50 AM
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Thanks for the update. 
In their promotion Disney states it's based on Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island. And they didn't borrow "flying pirate ships" from Sega. Peter Pan's flight anyone? So the nerve is Sega's.
But, of course, this is all semantics.
In their promotion Disney states it's based on Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island. And they didn't borrow "flying pirate ships" from Sega. Peter Pan's flight anyone? So the nerve is Sega's.
But, of course, this is all semantics.
11-10-02, 02:09 AM
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so there has only been flying pirate ships/ air ships in games such as Skies of arcadia?
I think the very idea of saying "Tressure Planet" is a borrowed concept is like saying the sky is blue. Or for that matter saying disney really told original stories. If you look at the early works, it's just a lot of Re-telling of original stories. Do you think the little mermaid or the jungle book were original by walt himself? No they are retellings in the light of disney's take on them.
Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around. I wonder which sailors idea's did everyone really steal the thought of a flying boat from?
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
I think the very idea of saying "Tressure Planet" is a borrowed concept is like saying the sky is blue. Or for that matter saying disney really told original stories. If you look at the early works, it's just a lot of Re-telling of original stories. Do you think the little mermaid or the jungle book were original by walt himself?
No they are retellings in the light of disney's take on them. Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around. I wonder which sailors idea's did everyone really steal the thought of a flying boat from?
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
11-10-02, 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around.
Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around.
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
11-10-02, 08:04 AM
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I guess what frustating adnaanks is Disney, which used to be the vanguard of creative ideas and visionary work, has now resorted to mere copying of other ideas without putting any added value, spin or basically making a better film. Which is indeed quite frustrating.
11-10-02, 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around. I wonder which sailors idea's did everyone really steal the thought of a flying boat from?
Flying pirate ships have been around since ships have been around. I wonder which sailors idea's did everyone really steal the thought of a flying boat from?
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
Then we get into the arguement of Nadia vs Atlantis
11-10-02, 09:49 AM
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Posted by the wise DVD Talker named little fuzzy on 10/27:
My prediction was a couple of weeks, so this was pretty much on the money.
Originally posted by littlefuzzy
Hmm, I wonder when people are going to start saying that Treasure Planet was ripped off from a futuristic pirate or western anime, like Galaxy Express 999, or Lost Universe, etc., etc., etc.
Hmm, I wonder when people are going to start saying that Treasure Planet was ripped off from a futuristic pirate or western anime, like Galaxy Express 999, or Lost Universe, etc., etc., etc.
11-10-02, 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Jason
Really? I know flying sailing ships are a common theme in japanese anime (Odin) and tokusatsu films (Message from Space), but I've never heard of them being a mythological theme elsewhere.
Really? I know flying sailing ships are a common theme in japanese anime (Odin) and tokusatsu films (Message from Space), but I've never heard of them being a mythological theme elsewhere.
What argument? In several places it's a shot for shot copy.
11-10-02, 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Tesiae
[B]Leave it to an otaku to say that anime is the exclusive source of flying ships mythology.
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Requiem for a Dream is ripoff of Perfect Blue.
[B]Leave it to an otaku to say that anime is the exclusive source of flying ships mythology.
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Requiem for a Dream is ripoff of Perfect Blue.
11-10-02, 12:00 PM
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Flying sailing ships go back at least to the Adventures of Baron Munchausen -- and I'm not talking about the 1989 movie, I'm talking about the book. It was published in 1793. There's also a Russian folktale called the Fool and the Flying Ship, which goes back to at least 1916.
Otaku are often quick to claim that Western pop culture is constantly stealing from some obscure anime, but the same otaku are generally ignorant of where the anime creators nicked the ideas in the first place. In 9 of 10 of these "plagerism" cases, the anime was borrowing ideas from Western pop culture in the first place.
Next up: Why "The Two Towers" is a complete and total ripoff of Dragon Quest!
Otaku are often quick to claim that Western pop culture is constantly stealing from some obscure anime, but the same otaku are generally ignorant of where the anime creators nicked the ideas in the first place. In 9 of 10 of these "plagerism" cases, the anime was borrowing ideas from Western pop culture in the first place.
Next up: Why "The Two Towers" is a complete and total ripoff of Dragon Quest!
11-10-02, 05:48 PM
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You don't have to even accuse Disney of being plaigarists to witness the decline of quality of their animated films (and no, Pixar's movies don't count). That's enough to keep me away.
11-10-02, 06:34 PM
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Skies of Arcadia was a good game, but to claim that Disney stole the idea from that game is patently absurd. First off you would need to claim that there have never been flying pirate ships in any media form before Skies of Arcadia, which is stupid, and then second off you would have to claim that the 18th century sailing ships with rocket engines in Treasure Planet look a lot like the flying ships in Skies of Arcadia, which they don't. Therefore, you lose. Thanks for amusing me for about 30 seconds though.
11-10-02, 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Inverse
Flying sailing ships go back at least to the Adventures of Baron Munchausen -- and I'm not talking about the 1989 movie, I'm talking about the book. It was published in 1793. There's also a Russian folktale called the Fool and the Flying Ship, which goes back to at least 1916.
Otaku are often quick to claim that Western pop culture is constantly stealing from some obscure anime, but the same otaku are generally ignorant of where the anime creators nicked the ideas in the first place. In 9 of 10 of these "plagerism" cases, the anime was borrowing ideas from Western pop culture in the first place.
Flying sailing ships go back at least to the Adventures of Baron Munchausen -- and I'm not talking about the 1989 movie, I'm talking about the book. It was published in 1793. There's also a Russian folktale called the Fool and the Flying Ship, which goes back to at least 1916.
Otaku are often quick to claim that Western pop culture is constantly stealing from some obscure anime, but the same otaku are generally ignorant of where the anime creators nicked the ideas in the first place. In 9 of 10 of these "plagerism" cases, the anime was borrowing ideas from Western pop culture in the first place.
It does look visually interesting, but the characters look pretty much like stock disney bozos, and the comic relief ones especially get on my nerves pretty quick.
BTW, it this a musical, like traditional disney animated films, or are they getting away from that?
11-10-02, 08:55 PM
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Anyone else find it ironic that the corporation most responsible for America's regressive copyright laws is itself constantly embroiled in plagarism scandals?
This one is not near as blatant as Lion King or Atlantis, however.
This one is not near as blatant as Lion King or Atlantis, however.
11-10-02, 09:32 PM
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Flying ships: Peter Pan, Munchausen, Little Nemo In Slumberland (early 1900's comic strip), Non-Stop New York (1937 movie)
I also beleive there are legends in Norse, Greek and Middle Eastern mythology about flying ships, and I vaugely recall a few early 1900's animated shorts featuring them.
I also beleive there are legends in Norse, Greek and Middle Eastern mythology about flying ships, and I vaugely recall a few early 1900's animated shorts featuring them.
11-11-02, 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Cornell
Skies of Arcadia was a good game, but to claim that Disney stole the idea from that game is patently absurd. First off you would need to claim that there have never been flying pirate ships in any media form before Skies of Arcadia, which is stupid, and then second off you would have to claim that the 18th century sailing ships with rocket engines in Treasure Planet look a lot like the flying ships in Skies of Arcadia, which they don't. Therefore, you lose. Thanks for amusing me for about 30 seconds though.
Skies of Arcadia was a good game, but to claim that Disney stole the idea from that game is patently absurd. First off you would need to claim that there have never been flying pirate ships in any media form before Skies of Arcadia, which is stupid, and then second off you would have to claim that the 18th century sailing ships with rocket engines in Treasure Planet look a lot like the flying ships in Skies of Arcadia, which they don't. Therefore, you lose. Thanks for amusing me for about 30 seconds though.
Originally posted by Calculon
Anyone else find it ironic that the corporation most responsible for America's regressive copyright laws is itself constantly embroiled in plagarism scandals?
Anyone else find it ironic that the corporation most responsible for America's regressive copyright laws is itself constantly embroiled in plagarism scandals?
] I don't know why, but this whole thread makes me think of Hooper's "Marco "f'n" Polo" speech from Chasing Amy. A Miramax film which is a Disney company! And you know what THAT means... [Reprinted below for your convenience. But substitute sex with cinema. ]
"All the boys need to feel like they're Marco Fu***ng Polo when it comes to sex - like they’re the only ones who’ve ever explored new territory. And it’s hard not to let them believe it. I let my boys run with it for awhile - feed them some of that "I’ve never done this before..." bs, and let ‘em labor under the delusion that they rockin’ my world, until I can’t stand them anymore. Then I hit ‘em with the truth. It’s a sick game. The world would be a better place if people would just accept that there’s nothing new under the sun, and everything you can do with a person has probably been done long before you got there."
11-11-02, 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Inverse
Yeah, what every happened to the Disney that used to do such unique, totally original concepts as Snow White, Cinderella, and Alice in Wonderland?
Yeah, what every happened to the Disney that used to do such unique, totally original concepts as Snow White, Cinderella, and Alice in Wonderland?