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Old 09-20-02, 02:22 PM
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why were a clockwork orange and midnight cowboy both rated X?

i was just wondering, i know they both have an R rating now, were these films so bad content wise that they made them rated X, or were the standards at the time diferent.

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Old 09-20-02, 02:33 PM
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You have to remember when these films where made, back in the 70's people led simpler live and watched movies though rose tinted glasses.

So seeing a movie like C'Orange glamorising gangs as a way of life, with house invasions, rape and murder, goverment sanctioned sterlisation via aversion therapy. It was all a bit much for joe public i guess.

It was pulled in the UK by the director himself due to copycat incidents. Always a classic way to make people want to see a movie is to tell them they cant.
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different standards back then:

midnight cowboy = gay = x

clockwork orange = violent, rape, etc. = x

now-a days folks don't mind that gay stuff...shoot, sometimes i even think about....oh, uh... how about KC Royals coach gettin' slammed!!!
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was there any major language also.
Old 09-20-02, 02:56 PM
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Apparently there was some full frontal nudity during the orgy scene from "Clockwork Orange" that the MPAA at the time decided was X-rating material.

From Imdb:

A new special edition, which restores about 90 seconds of violent footage removed from most prints, was scheduled to be released on video in 1996.


In 1973, a new version of "A Clockwork Orange" was released to theaters with an MPAA rating of "R", replacing the previous "X". The new version contained approximately 31 seconds of _replacement_, less lascivious footage for two scenes: the high speed (2 frames/sec) orgy in Alex's bedroom, and the Ludovico rape scene.

Question: is there any difference between the Region 1 US edition and the UK Region 2 edition, is the UK version the complete unedited original cut of the film?
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Of course, ironically, neither film would get greenlighted in our present-day PG-13-all-day-for-all-time-save-the-childrens culture.
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i ended up renting the restored and remastered vhs widescreen verison of a clockwork orange with a running time of 137 min. is this the original version that came in the theatres back in 71.
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I remember there being a fair amount of full frontal in A Clockwork Orange the last time i watched the dvd. That would still probably merit an X theatrically these days.
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Rypro,
The current release of ACO is the same print that was first released (and rated X) originally.

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The ratings system is a parent's guide to suitability for children. Always has been. Don't confuse it with a relativity scale on how explicit a film is. They made the mistake of not trademarking the "X" so it got co-opted by porn. X originally just meant "not suitable for children".
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Originally posted by fiver
Rypro,
The current release of ACO is the same print that was first released (and rated X) originally.

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thanks thats what i wanted to know.
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Originally posted by caligulathegod
The ratings system is a parent's guide to suitability for children. Always has been. Don't confuse it with a relativity scale on how explicit a film is. They made the mistake of not trademarking the "X" so it got co-opted by porn. X originally just meant "not suitable for children".
That might explain the X rating for "The Long Good Friday" since that would be an easy R today.

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Originally posted by Tuan Jim
That might explain the X rating for "The Long Good Friday" since that would be an easy R today.

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You guys are also confusing the British Board of Film Classification's X with the MPAA's X. They mean very different things. Most specificly, an X rated movie from the BBFC can still get wide distribution in England.
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A lil of the 'ol ultraviolence...
Maybe a lil of the 'ol 'in out in out'
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i didnt like the movie at all, a little too creepy, unamusing and a little too violent for my tastes. in fact, i turned it off after a half an hour. durring the scene when the main character and some other guy end up raping a woman is when i gave up. also, i think that kubrick is a little obsesed with female nudity.
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All said, though, sex in the movies was treated a lot more leniently in the '70s than it is now (in the U.S., that is - just don't mention the French ). There's no way the "Catholic High School Girls In Trouble" segment from The Kentucky Fried Movie would get away with an R in these days.
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also, i think that kubrick is a little obsesed with female nudity.


Hehehe... maybe Midnight Cowboy would be more your style...

I too agree with film is very disturbing, and I can't really watch it... but it doesn't mean it's a bad film.

Of course, ironically, neither film would get greenlighted in our present-day PG-13-all-day-for-all-time-save-the-childrens culture.
So sad, so true. I hate that rating, no one uses it properly.
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midnight cowboy = gay?

Guess I'll have to watch it again, I must have missed that part.

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